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Shame we’re aren’t more like Brighton
That would be doubling our losses. No De Jong and a bang average alternative.
That would be doubling our losses. No De Jong and a bang average alternative.
Talk about peeing on his parade after yesterdays gameYeah, probably. What a start to the season. Already one strike down.
Thanks for that, seems a flakey way of doing business! I for one hope it back fires on themLike getting a payout of your wages ahead of payday. Barca are taking cash now from finance companies and giving them a Percentage of future revenues from things like TV deals. Eg imagine United saying Give us £500m now and you get 30% of our TV revenue for next 10 years.
That depends on what the provisions are. What seems to be the widely accepted knowledge was that the deferred wages was outlined in an annex that stated his payments for the two seasons would be paid as part of his remaining salary from the coming seasons. If that original contract is terminated due to a transfer they could argue that the extra salary was part of his normal salary they they no longer need to pay since he will transfer to another club.This is wrong. A legally binding contract is a legally binding contract. The relevant provisions will almost always survive termination. FDJ doesn’t waive his rights just by leaving Barca… if he doesn’t come it’s because he doesn’t want to come.
I don't trust those sources anymoreThat fecker said that yesterday
Yes not directly in one lump sum, but spread out, like they agreed to do when he deferred it. If they are trying to completely drop the deferred payments then that’s different. Short of paying him ourselves, there’s not much we can do.So Barca are paying it anyway?
If there was any club that was willing to pay him increased wages on his previous Barca contract, Dembele would be playing there today. He was the stalling side for much of that contract standoff. Let's not pretend that he's likely to accept this because he loves playing there so darn much.The point I am making is they let it run out, they didn't make him a new proposal with increased wages.
That contract ran its course, then they offered him a new deal which is 40% less than his prior one.
And I don't disagree at all on how much of a disaster he's been, doesn't change the fact they are now paying him 40% less then then original contract he had with Barca.
no he doesn't want that. but Barcelona said the exact same things last year to Dembele and one game later he started games again. This is not something that any club does with top players.Of course they can, if they want to. If they're upset with him they can make him ride the bench and never play again. Make him train alone etc.
Especially in a world cup year, do you really think he wants that?
I have flashbacks now. Me, dressed like bomb squad guy and cat behaving like Wolverine with all claws out and stuck in my vest.
I meant the tweet, unless I’ve read it the wrong way round.I meant more him getting clout through domenech, but nevermind
That quote is out of context compared to what he actually said, which didn't have as positive a spin on it.That fecker said that yesterday
You're lucky to still have your eyeballsI have flashbacks now. Me, dressed like bomb squad guy and cat behaving like Wolverine with all claws out and stuck in my vest.
Tried two times that. Never again
When you leave your employment, does your employer continue to pay your wages because you've entered into a "legally binding contract"? Would said contract still be valid if you've signed a new contract with a different employer?This is wrong. A legally binding contract is a legally binding contract. The relevant provisions will almost always survive termination. FDJ doesn’t waive his rights just by leaving Barca… if he doesn’t come it’s because he doesn’t want to come.
Exactly. Why would Barca pay him to leave? No chance his wage deferment gets resolved this window.Barca will never pay up the 17m. Looks like thsi might drag till next year.
At this point I think you're wumming. But one final attempt.You're not getting me.
I understand his old deal ran out, he was a free agent. The point I am making is they let it run out, they didn't make him a new proposal with increased wages.
That contract ran its course, then they offered him a new deal which is 40% less than his prior one.
And I don't disagree at all on how much of a disaster he's been, doesn't change the fact they are now paying him 40% less then then original contract he had with Barca.
I agree if he was offered more he'd go there, he recently stated he went to Barca simply for the money in the original deal anyway.If there was any club that was willing to pay him increased wages on his previous Barca contract, Dembele would be playing there today. He was the stalling side for much of that contract standoff. Let's not pretend that he's likely to accept this because he loves playing there so darn much.
Nah, I think the protests would ramp up again if they don’t deliver this window. Avram said they will spend on signings on camera, Arnold told the blokes at the pub the money is there and the new manager must have had assurances he will be backed. We’ve already seen people trying to protest this summer, I think it will get apocalyptic if our signings aren’t exciting enough, even more so if results are poor when the season starts.To think, the Glazers might get away with a summer in which they reduced wage bill by £1.5m/week and finish the window with a net spend of £50m. All that after our worst season in living memory and with a new manager who needs players for his system.
And the worst thing is, I think many of our fans will buy it/not have any major grievances.
Look I understand Dembele and FDJ are different situations.At this point I think you're wumming. But one final attempt.
Dembele had no leverage to keep (or increase) his salary for a new contract. He could only accept what Barca (or other clubs) were willing to offer. His current contract was up so he had to accept a pay cut otherwise he would not have a contract with anyone or be paid anything.
De Jong and other players under contract doesn't have to accept a pay cut. The only reason to would be to stay on good terms with the club, and hopefully be offered an improved contract next time (if they are young enough to warrant another contract) or a gentlemans agreement for improved contract offer once Barca's finances are better.
De Jong can say he doesn't want to leave Barca because then they have to pay him all the money they owe and the agreed salary for the next coming years. If they can't afford to they will be bankrupt. So it's in Barca's best interest to come to an agreement with De Jong now. If he says he's not willing to decrease his salary that means that he has no interest in maintaining a good relationship with Barcelona. He wants to be paid what he is owed, either now or over the next years.
Pretty sure that like with Messi, Barca can come to an agreement with De Jong to pay him x money over x amount of years. Money they owe him but which wouldn't necessarily be classified as salary on the books in the sense that De Jong couldn't have this agreement while at the same time be employed somewhere else.Exactly. Why would Barca pay him to leave? No chance his wage deferment gets resolved this window.
I have read that Barca still owe Messi in deferred wages, how did he manage to play for another team whilst still have this on going?
There's no such thing. And according to some on here, not necessary.What is Plan B?
The glazers keep the dust on the cheque bookWhat is Plan B?
The failure to upgrade the midfield, and spending all summer on De Jong (which might not happen) is criminal. VDB is clearly not seen as a holding midfielder so we literally only have Mctominay and Fred - questionable whether either should be a regular starter.Nah, I think the protests would ramp up again if they don’t deliver this window. Avram said they will spend on signings on camera, Arnold told the blokes at the pub the money is there and the new manager must have had assurances he will be backed. We’ve already seen people trying to protest this summer, I think it will get apocalyptic if our signings aren’t exciting enough, even more so if results are poor when the season starts.
Exactly. Except FdJ is never going to blink so it's a bit ill considered. The most they will get is another deferral.Barca is just trying to avoid having to have that deal, or get De Jong to agree to as low as possible sum for the deferred salary. It's up to who blinks first to get this resolved.
To be honest Frenkie doesn't need to blink. His salary as per his re-negotiated contract is going to be really nice, Barca can't afford it, so him saying I wont take a pay cut and I am not leaving means Barca will have to blink first.Pretty sure that like with Messi, Barca can come to an agreement with De Jong to pay him x money over x amount of years. Money they owe him but which wouldn't necessarily be classified as salary on the books in the sense that De Jong couldn't have this agreement while at the same time be employed somewhere else.
Barca is just trying to avoid having to have that deal, or get De Jong to agree to as low as possible sum for the deferred salary. It's up to who blinks first to get this resolved.
It's material because you claimed that FDJ will accept a paycut, because all Barca players do, giving an example of Dembele just accepting a paycut. Which Dembele had to if he wanted to play for Barca. De Jong doesn't have to.Look I understand Dembele and FDJ are different situations.
Feel free to go back to my original statement, I simply said he has agreed to take 40% less what he was on originally / eg a pay cut!
All the rest is immaterial about FDJ.
They accepted a paycut to stay on good terms with Barca and keep playing there. FDJ says he's not willing to accept a paycut. In other words he doesn't want to stay on good terms. So he's putting the ball in Barca's court to offer him his deferred wages so he agrees to the sale. Or another deal that he could accept (he could still lower his wages and stay, but that seems less likely now).Not wanting to accept it is irrelevant. Do you think the players wanted to take one last year? They did. Dembele is accepting the pay cut also this week.
I actually think it will. There was an article last week that specifically mentioned the second lever as being the key. I can't pretend to understand this but basically if the deal goes through before that money is banked Barca would be obligated to use 70% of the transfer fee towards debt repayments leaving them with only 30% of whatever we give them which if you then deduct the deferred wages essentially would leave Barca with no proceeds to apply to their incoming deals. If they complete the deal after this payday loan hits they can use all of the transfer money for new signings, essentially it is the money for the Lewa deal and so Barca are happy to play their game of chicken with FDJ until then. Ultimately though, they are motivated to make the deal happen and once the cash comes in they can agree some sort of mutually agreeable payment plan over the back wages and once this happens Frenkie will consent to the transfer. That money is due to be in their accounts next week so we probably have another 7 days of the same stories being endlessly recycled until we find out if that is the case or not.Exactly. Why would Barca pay him to leave? No chance his wage deferment gets resolved this window.
I have read that Barca still owe Messi in deferred wages, how did he manage to play for another team whilst still have this on going?
The 40% reduction is also a relatively recent development. Barca were offering him more, but Dembele, in his infinite wisdom, rejected it because he thought he was going to get more somewhere else.I agree if he was offered more he'd go there, he recently stated he went to Barca simply for the money in the original deal anyway.
Still doesn't change the fact he's earning 40% less now though, he shouldn't probably be earning that even cause he's rubbish.
Exactly. Except FdJ is never going to blink so it's a bit ill considered. The most they will get is another deferral.
That's precisely it. De Jong holds all the cards and there is no need for him to state anything different in public.To be honest Frenkie doesn't need to blink. His salary as per his re-negotiated contract is going to be really nice, Barca can't afford it, so him saying I wont take a pay cut and I am not leaving means Barca will have to blink first.
True, although He does tend to talk in generalities though, fiercely protective of his sources and confidentiality so take the 2-3 weeks with a pinch of salt.Mitten is as close to Manchester United and Barcelona as any journalist, if not closer. 60% chance it is. Another two or three weeks will really test fans patience though.