Shane88
Actually Nostradamus
No point debating him. Enjoy the show and you're just a "fanboi".
I find it incredible you're talking about writers making Cersei behead them as soon as they reach KL.. Because that's "true to her character". She's survived this long because she's smart, and not stupid enough to try ambushing a big chunk of people that are accompanied by at least one fecking dragon.I followed it fine, thanks.
The lengths the fanbois go to to defend this show is incredible.
Thank you!I thought about this too during the week having watched the leak but I put it down to the dead falling through the ice the Giant would not have a hope.
Yes, when he first met Bran beyond the wall he told him that he couldn't go south because the wall was made of more than ice and stone. It was crafted with spell inside it so the dead could not pass through and they said something like ''so I can't pass through''.
Time Travel
I know everyones annoyed about the ''time travel'' but my guess is with the guy dying from the cold when they were on the rock and the dream team almost freezing to death there could've easily been a full day waiting for the lake to freeze. Danny being able to fly could've easily made it there in half a day.
Predictability
To be fair the episodes always keep us on our feet but you could easily pick who was going to die and who would not in that 'dream team' that went north even during the battle when all looked lost. Hound throwing the stones as well when he picked up the second one it was so obvious it would not break the ice. You knew the exact moment Danny was going to arrive and the very ended you knew the episode was going to end up with the Dragon opening blue eyes and - Roll Credits.
Episode 6
I love GOT, my favorite series of all time and this season has been epic but this episode should have been the most epic and I found it completely MEH. It was so badly written with massive plot holes throughout and like my above point it was all too predictable. The show runners are making a mockery of the original that followed the books (mine you I haven't read the books). Just leaving out details of travel between places and such.
Why have they to finish it in 2 seasons (current season and next years finale) and in something like 8 and 6 episodes respectively? The first 6 episodes of the current season 7 could have easily been stretched out to make 15 episodes thus making them buckets loads of money. It's not like people are getting bored of it, if anything it's at it's peak popularity and still growing.
Love the term fanboi. TBF, some people have made some good points to his questions but you know its moot when it resorts to that.No point debating him. Enjoy the show and you're just a "fanboi".
Ya that makes sense I guess. The current way they're ending the last 2 seasons will be a treat for people in a few years who only start watching it. 2 seasons of mental episodes back to back I suppose.Thank you!
To answer your point about the number of episodes - I believe it's down to budget, the salaries of the actors plus the budget for each episode has spiraled as a result of the show's success.
It's a shame because they could've extended at least 2 more seasons out of this and slowed the pace down I feel
Didn't you do the exact same thing ?Love the term fanboi. TBF, some people have made some good points to his questions but you know its moot when it resorts to that.
Equally as bad as when people question some stuff and the result is 'its dragon guys'
Not fullyDidn't you do the exact same thing ?
I'm not surprised. I'm certainly not someone who complains about the show for the sake of complaining but even I thought this was a poor episode.The episode is getting slated in reviews more than any other GoT episode I think I've seen.
I did love it when I initially watched it, but mainly cause "omg dragons Vs dead", after letting it settle and looking back on it, it really was poor written and executed.
It's more the predicaments they were in. I would've expected one of Jamie/Bronn to have at least been captured, if not killed considering everyone else was killed/captured. Same when Suicide Squad went North of the Wall, to face that massive army & only lose 1 person of note is a little unrealistic. Although, I suppose the dragon is a 'death'!!I dont get this as a criticism though. Inthe beginning we had a huge huge cast of characters. For main characters were down to pretty much 7 (Cersei, Jamie, Tyrion, Jon, Sansa and Arya). I would be very surprised if these five dont make the last season.
I think we then have second tier ones like LF, Bronn, Brienne, Tormund, Varys...
We have lost Olenna, Sandsnakes, Benjen and Thoros this season and id count them as second tier.
Match day thread?fecking Sansa needs to die right now.
I know full well the writers aren't going to do that. But what we know of Cersei up to now, she's far more likely to want to do that rather than join forces with Snow & Daenerys like some ludicrous The Expendables megateam. I find it preposterous that you're trying to argue otherwise.I find it incredible you're talking about writers making Cersei behead them as soon as they reach KL.. Because that's "true to her character".
What?Great cinematography and action scenes with terrible writing which basically sums up this entire season so far. How many times did they hint a baby between Jon and Daenerys? They were about as subtle as Gendry's warhammer.
Another passive-aggressive acolyte.No point debating him. Enjoy the show and you're just a "fanboi".
I like to think I'm straight up aggressive but cool. You just shout shit about the show for attention. I'm worse for giving it you.Another passive-aggressive acolyte.
Great.
This is largely correct. I don't mind them coming up with the idea of wanting to prove the existence of White Walkers to Cersei, but the problem is that sending a team of Jon and Daenerys' most valuable men beyond the Wall into a situation of certain peril to maybe obtain one wight if they're lucky and all don't die to someone who's almost certainly not going to listen is a daft plan.I know full well the writers aren't going to do that. But what we know of Cersei up to now, she's far more likely to want to do that rather than join forces with Snow & Daenerys like some ludicrous The Expendables megateam. I find it preposterous that you're trying to argue otherwise.
They randomly had a scene of Tyrion asking about the succession and what comes after, then when Jon gives tries to give Longclaw back to Jorah, Jorah says give it to your future children. Then Daenarys says to Jon at the end that she can't have children. They hadn't mentioned it for ages and but they referenced it a lot in this episode. Pretty obvious she will get preggers in season 8.What?
I don't see why my assessment of Clarke's acting skills is so controversial. It's a well-held view among many who watch the show. My position on it further intensified when I heard of the ludicrous salary she receives. It's nothing personal. More power to her.I like to think I'm straight up aggressive but cool. You just shout shit about the show for attention. I'm worse for giving it you.
Case in point, a few days ago you said Emilia Clarke was the worst actress on TV, or words to that effect. I said that was ridiculous, you then called me your favourite word, "fanboi".
I made a reasonable point about her acting skills but you didn't respond since your debating skills amount to "Fanboi".
Had to share this. Thought it was hilarious
Why season 8? Why not next episode?They randomly had a scene of Tyrion asking about the succession and what comes after, then when Jon gives tries to give Longclaw back to Jorah, Jorah says give it to your future children. Then Daenarys says to Jon at the end that she can't have children. They hadn't mentioned it for ages and but they referenced it a lot in this episode. Pretty obvious she will get preggers in season 8.
Wanting and obliging are two different things. You think Danny and John want to go and rendezvous with Cersei? Feck no, they are circumstantially obliged to. Cersei is also circumstantially obliged to entertain it. To suggest anything otherwise actually preposterous.I know full well the writers aren't going to do that. But what we know of Cersei up to now, she's far more likely to want to do that rather than join forces with Snow & Daenerys like some ludicrous The Expendables megateam. I find it preposterous that you're trying to argue otherwise.
Yeah, Jorah had a lil convo with Jon. But they could have easily had him say, 'weve been here a couple of nights, weve run out of food, the fires wont last long, and the ice is almost frozen.'I'm sure the physics and times check out with regards to Gendry making it back to Eastwatch, sending a raven, and Daenerys reaching Jon, but a little more time spent explaining would have made all the difference. Instead what we're left with is questions and the illusion that roughly a day has passed when it could have easily been four or five.
Ive been thinking about this, but is it the most sensible thing?The most sensible measure for Daenerys to take would be to just...take the capital. Yes, it'll result in a high number of deaths, but considering what's coming it'd realistically prevent a lot more, and she's shown herself to be willing to burn hundreds/thousands when taking on the Lannister army. But again...she isn't going to do that, presumably, because they're not ready to kill off |Cersei yet.
Exactly. I'm resigned to the inevitable Snow-Daenerys victory at this stage but I just wish they'd have her take the throne in a Game of Thrones-faithful way, not some quasi-political metaphor for our times. She could overthrow Cersei and take King's Landing in about ten minutes and then Snow and co. could plan for the Night King's assault. This ham-fisted, clunky plotline is detracting from the tight, intelligent writing of old. I don't see why it's a sin to suggest otherwise.This is largely correct. I don't mind them coming up with the idea of wanting to prove the existence of White Walkers to Cersei, but the problem is that sending a team of Jon and Daenerys' most valuable men beyond the Wall into a situation of certain peril to maybe obtain one wight if they're lucky and all don't die to someone who's almost certainly not going to listen is a daft plan.
The most sensible measure for Daenerys to take would be to just...take the capital. Yes, it'll result in a high number of deaths, but considering what's coming it'd realistically prevent a lot more, and she's shown herself to be willing to burn hundreds/thousands when taking on the Lannister army. But again...she isn't going to do that, presumably, because they're not ready to kill off Cersei yet.
And for what it's worth...I don't mind plot armour when it's used correctly. You naturally don't want to kill off every protagonist, because then you're left without a story, but the writers have done a poor job of trying to make the plot work this season without it being obvious what they're doing. The plan to capture a wight wasn't done with any inherent logic; it was done because we haven't had a proper confrontation with the WW's yet this season, and the writers wanted one. The Lannister/Targaryen battle was visually magnificent, but the fact that the consequences were minimal and Jaime got away unharmed suggests it was done because the writers wanted a big battle, but couldn't be arsed to result in it having any lasting effect. And I say that as someone who thought episode four was a fantastic watch.
She hasn't hooked up with Jon yet. It would hilarious if they did it all in the next episode though.Why season 8? Why not next episode?
2 more seasons of winter arriving ? Great war ? I don't think many people would have had the patience.Thank you!
To answer your point about the number of episodes - I believe it's down to budget, the salaries of the actors plus the budget for each episode has spiraled as a result of the show's success.
It's a shame because they could've extended at least 2 more seasons out of this and slowed the pace down I feel
Please don't read this if you've not seen s7e6.The most sensible measure for Daenerys to take would be to just...take the capital. Yes, it'll result in a high number of deaths, but considering what's coming it'd realistically prevent a lot more, and she's shown herself to be willing to burn hundreds/thousands when taking on the Lannister army. But again...she isn't going to do that, presumably, because they're not ready to kill off Cersei yet.
Yep. And then we'll have the "OMG! The foreshadowing in this show is unbelievable!!1!!'They randomly had a scene of Tyrion asking about the succession and what comes after, then when Jon gives tries to give Longclaw back to Jorah, Jorah says give it to your future children. Then Daenarys says to Jon at the end that she can't have children. They hadn't mentioned it for ages and but they referenced it a lot in this episode. Pretty obvious she will get preggers in season 8.
Craster's boy was still alive though.The Night King turned him by touch just like he did Craster babies so maybe the dragon will not be just a stupid wight but more like a proper white (walker) dragon
Had to share this. Thought it was hilarious
Indeed so we'll see.Craster's boy was still alive though.
The Phil Thompson Liverpool-Targaryen comparison.Had to share this. Thought it was hilarious
Aye, the issue is less whether the time and travelling logistics actually made sense and more that they failed to convince the audience that they made sense. Having unexplained time gaps when people uneventfully travel from point a to point b is absolutely fine but in this case the time it would take for Dany to arrive was absolutely central to the peril the group was in. It shouldn't have been that hard for the episode to establish a clearer internal timeframe.The plan would have seemed more logical in the first place if they'd just had Jon mention something he was taught by Qhorin Halfhand in season 2: that if you go scouting beyond The Wall, whether it's to hunt wildlings or wights, it's best to travel in small groups and wait for a splinter group to attack quietly, as to not attract too much attention. Not mentioning it, either because they felt it was unnecessary or because they forgot (most likely the latter), just leaves them open to scrutiny they've frankly invited upon themselves.
Another tiny tweak to the script which could have avoided quite a lot of confusion would have been if they'd just occasionally mentioned that time was passing, that they hoped Gendry made it back to Eastwatch, that they'd been "out here for two days". I liked the fact that the sky went dark and that morning came, but there's no reason why they couldn't have done it again.
I'm sure the physics and times check out with regards to Gendry making it back to Eastwatch, sending a raven, and Daenerys reaching Jon, but a little more time spent explaining would have made all the difference. Instead what we're left with is questions and the illusion that roughly a day has passed when it could have easily been four or five.
I just feel like a lot of the events particularly at the start of this season have just been brushed aside. They could have elongated some of the incidents (Euron, Arya & The Freys, Bran etc) and ended this season with the NK reanimating the dragon for example.2 more seasons of winter arriving ? Great war ? I don't think many people would have had the patience.
Why season 8? Why not next episode?