4th was as good as 1st. Tywin, Tyrion, Oberyn all had great performances. Tyrion's trial and Watchers on the Wall are two of the best episodes of the series.
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People keep saying this, but it was nowhere near to the same extent as the backlash against Game of Thrones. Some people had an issue with Breaking Bad but it was mostly a minority, the majority were very pleased with the ending and the final seasons, the opposite is true of Game of Thrones. The consensus is pretty much (from critics and viewers) that S8 was a rushed and poor ending, so it's not really the same as a small number of people raising issues with the finale of Breaking Bad, which most people enjoyed.
Basically the entirety of S8 was not well received at all, and that will haunt how the show is viewed going forward. People will still see it as great television for the most part, but when you get a disappointing climax then the legacy will suffer.
First half was good and then the second half was absolutely shit.
If you enjoyed it, fair enough. That doesn't actually make it good though.
So aside from half the entire episode, the final episode was pretty good?
Everything after Daenerys dying was bad. That's over half an hour of rubbish content in the finale, which makes it a bad episode.
The second half wasn't just the Bran getting elected epilogue.
The beginning, middle and end of the series also have vastly different quality of writing as well, which I think is what most people can't deal with...
I don't think I've ever seen someone as touchy over a TV show than you are over this.
Even @esmufc07 wasn't this obsessed with 24.
Touchy? Because I have different opinion to you? I'm probably not even in the top 10 most prolific posters here since the last episode aired.
On the contrary, because you can't seem to handle other people having a different opinion to you.
I don't know who's most prolific, I haven't been taking notes, I've just noticed you getting your nose bent out of joint a number of times when people have criticised the show.
Physician heal thyself.
The final feeling towards something is usually the one that lasts.
There have been studies where people are put through either a quick and painful colonoscopy lasting 4-5 minutes, or one that starts with 4-5 painful minutes, same as the first one, and then at the end they do a less painful thing for ten minutes. The patients end up rating the longer colonoscopy as better because it wasn't painful in the end and that remains the lasting perception of the procedure when asked afterwards.
It's pretty much the same mechanism as the one that makes women want to get pregnant again after going through labour, because the lasting impression of it isn't the pain, but the happiness of having the baby.
Precisely. This season was a bit of a trainwreck which in itself also kept deteriorating in terms of writing quality and finished off with three woeful episodes.
Some people did argue at the time that Breaking Bad had some poor moments as is the case with any peice of entertainment as it's very subjective and you're going to get a variety of views. However, the strong consensus was that the show managed to maintain its quality and finished strongly to boot. GoT has declined pretty considerably and this last season will no doubt hurt it's standing in the annals of TV dramas. I think it'll be considered well below the very best. You can't have a piss poor finish and pretend to be one of the greatest.
Sounds like something Tyrion would say. But early season 8 Tyrion.
It made no sense whatsoever for the nazis to leave one barrell with walt after the kind of guys they were shown to be. Take that out and none of what followed happens. Hardly excellent story telling.
Cranston carried the mess around him for most part and especially at the end. Gave some stellar scenes like that call to skylar and most just ignored the crap like that machine gun and what not in light of his performance.
Cranston carried the mess around him for most part and especially at the end. Gave some stellar scenes like that call to skylar and most just ignored the crap like that machine gun and what not in light of his performance.
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Yeah it doesn't really compare a near entire car crash of a season that was season 8 of GoT, nor does it change the fact that the last season and ending was received well (BB).
The outrage here exists and is understandable.
Not to mention Breaking Bad often fast forwarded. GoT had set itself up for six seasons as taking its time to tell the story.
Breaking Bad was pretty damn slow at times and had quite a few pointless plotlines that went nowhere. The plane crash in season two springs to mind, it was built up throughout the season and ended up being a total let down with no real effect. Then there's Marie shoplifting, Hank's rocks, anything involving Walt Jr and Skylar being insanely annoying. It definitely maintained its quality better over the five seasons than GoT did and a big part of that is due to the writers actually giving a shit throughout but it certainly wasn't consistently brilliant like some paint it to be.
Still the best TV show ever made.
Is that the one where nobody has a piss all day?
Can we talk about the books now?
A Clash of Kings has a bit where Arya says she likes watching Gendry polish his helmet.
A Clash of Kings has a bit where Arya says she likes watching Gendry polish his helmet.
Jack Bauer > John Snow
Sam’s got a stiff pink mast.
That's nothing compared to @SquishyMcSquish he's been going mental all week.
No wonder his output is constipated. That's pure shit.
They piss off screen!
Just like GoT, cutting content ffs
MINERALS.
It's probably unfair in general to compare BB with GOT as they're totally different genres, but S5 of BB was only 'weak' in comparison to the towering S4 (and arguably S4)
That they managed to wring another great season out of it after the epic end of S4 was commendable in itself.
I'm also fine with the ending of the show. BB was always a bit cartoony, in spite of the epic acting and character development, so it was quite fitting.
S8 of GOT was just a pish end to a great show, written by writers who didn't seem to care anymore. BB season 5 was clearly written and performed by guys still in love with the show.
Yeah but in my defence it was proper dog shit.
From 3 minutes on, Tywin didn't seem too pleased with the ending either judging by his brief summary of it...
They missed a trick. They should have had the original 3ER as king. Much more of a personality
Oh which side do the book readers fall? I'm guessing they think the show sucks balls?
Probably.
I listened to the audio books whilst at work and I personally liked the show and what it did early on. Some parts were even much better than the books imo. Of course, then it went to shit, but at least it was still epic in scale and incredibly well made.
Probably depends on if they read the books before watching the show, or after. I read them after season 5 which I thought was pretty bad already. But reading the books made me appreciate the amazing job they did in 1-4 even more. Some bizarre decisions made after that in 5 and 6 (esp. with Dorne and Iron Islands), and the last two seasons have been a bit of a write-off, but I think I’ll look back on the show a lot more favorably in a few years time.
In the same position as you, read them after season 5.
The Dorne stuff and its loose threads in the books is very messy so while it was done poorly in the show I struggle to think how they could've made it work. People would lose their shit, for the wrong reasons, if Quentyn Martell's storyline was a part of the show.
Include Arianne and base the story around her, and have Doran actually scheming rather than being the pussy he is in the show. And take the Sand Snakes seriously as characters instead of turning them into some lame badass girl power ninjas. Oh and include Darkstar. No need for Quentyn obviously.
After reading about Arianne I'm surprised she wasn't in the show. Big titted seductive scheming beauty. That's prime HBO bait.
Including the Sand Snakes front and centre was the problem. They only work in the books because you see them through Arianne's eyes and she looks up to them, they seem cool but you never have to find out much about them as they are mostly in the background or viewed through her eyes. Making them the main players in Dorne just seemed like they were going for what seemed cool without thinking about why it was cool or how it worked.
Dorne could have worked, but it needed Arrianne and it needed Doran to be an actual character. It needed the scheming, the rebelliousness and Arrianne being smacked back into her place by Doran's superior scheming. It needed time though that it might never have been able to get. In the end it died in the shadow of Oberyn, they tried to make 4 mini Oberyn's with his wife and daughters instead of an actual plot.