Firstly look who their owners have been. You want that?well, to me, it seems like times have changed. the other way seems to be working for City and Chelsea, to name but two. Even Forest have signed more players than us...
The point is we should be able to finance a lot more, especially during our ‘value in the market phase’ where proper team investment and building for the future what have left us in a much stronger position post-Fergie which was ultimately something that played a large part in our downfall.There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
The debt not going down, non football people being appointed, terrible signings, all that I can understand Neville and everyone else being annoyed about.
But a club financing its own trsnsfers? That's how it's supposed to be.
It's not the point I'm discussing. I'm saying the Glazers not spending their own money isn't an issue. That's Gary whipping up more anger. Nor are the dividends. Irrelevant stuff.The point is we should be able to finance a lot more, especially during our ‘value in the market phase’ where proper team investment and building for the future what have left us in a much stronger position post-Fergie which was ultimately something that played a large part in our downfall.
Glazers are taking money out of the club,and while have been spending money we are not spending like the most commercially successful club in the world (and as you mentioned, because of bad decisions when we have spent like that we have essentially thrown money away).
We need to invest more, and it won’t be forever, but while the club is in crisis we need to be acting like Chelsea are in this very same window. Can we afford it now? Probably not, but it’s definitely something we could have afforded to do over the years. Can Chelsea afford it? No, but it’s something the new owners have recognised is needed.
Mourinho not being backed in that third season is still criminal. That’s the closest we’ve come to building something in my opinion despite all of the managers flaws.
It's kinda mad that the authorities, during the Chelsea takeover, said "we can't let another Glazer situation happen" and yet wont seem to say a word actually about the Glazers.The FA are a bunch of cnuts too. They allowed these feckers to buy the club and dump their own debt on it.
It's maddening.It's kinda mad that the authorities, during the Chelsea takeover, said "we can't let another Glazer situation happen" and yet wont seem to say a word actually about the Glazers.
Because they can't admit to such a huge blunder. Piling their debt onto the club is such a farce and I have no idea how this wasn't questioned and rejected.It's kinda mad that the authorities, during the Chelsea takeover, said "we can't let another Glazer situation happen" and yet wont seem to say a word actually about the Glazers.
Who’s unprofessional? Gary Neville for not looking at him or Jamie Redknapp for saying it?‘Look at me when I’m talking to you’. What an unprofessional cnut.
Gary is right, and him calling out the Glazers a good thing for the traction it will get.
Redknapp of course. And not just the fact he said it but the tone as well. He sounded like he’d just downed 5 pints of Stella.Who’s unprofessional? Gary Neville for not looking at him or Jamie Redknapp for saying it?
At what point, if any, do the authorities step in and make some rule up that effectively sells United from under the Glazers? United could realistically get relegated in the coming years and would the FA get involved to stop something like that happening? United in the Championship isn't good for the PL brand.It's kinda mad that the authorities, during the Chelsea takeover, said "we can't let another Glazer situation happen" and yet wont seem to say a word actually about the Glazers.
Yep he got angry with Pogba and Shaw because he knew they had potential among world's best in their position. But not put the effort in training or maintain body conditions to be fit.The point is we should be able to finance a lot more, especially during our ‘value in the market phase’ where proper team investment and building for the future what have left us in a much stronger position post-Fergie which was ultimately something that played a large part in our downfall.
Glazers are taking money out of the club,and while have been spending money we are not spending like the most commercially successful club in the world (and as you mentioned, because of bad decisions when we have spent like that we have essentially thrown money away).
We need to invest more, and it won’t be forever, but while the club is in crisis we need to be acting like Chelsea are in this very same window. Can we afford it now? Probably not, but it’s definitely something we could have afforded to do over the years. Can Chelsea afford it? No, but it’s something the new owners have recognised is needed.
Mourinho not being backed in that third season is still criminal. That’s the closest we’ve come to building something in my opinion despite all of the managers flaws.
Be incredible for the Championship brand!At what point, if any, do the authorities step in and make some rule up that effectively sells United from under the Glazers? United could realistically get relegated in the coming years and would the FA get involved to stop something like that happening? United in the Championship isn't good for the PL brand.
The best part is, before the break he spoke about the players at length and how they weren't good enough, then he cuts Neville's point off to reiterate what he just spent 5 full minutes talking about. He's so insecure about his takes he has to talk over everyone else‘Look at me when I’m talking to you’. What an unprofessional cnut.
Gary is right, and him calling out the Glazers a good thing for the traction it will get.
That was really condescending, especially considering Neville’s achievements compared to his. Neville did well to keep his cool there.Redknapp of course. And not just the fact he said it but the tone as well. He sounded like he’d just downed 5 pints of Stella.
It would!Be incredible for the Championship brand!
Seriously though, The government wouldn't do anything if you got relegated. The only reason they were involved with Chelsea was Romans links to Putin.
Doesn't he have to do that? Otherwise 80% of the population will say he's only talking about how shit United are and not how good Brentford were.Is it just me or has he become more annoying on the commentary?
Yesterday creaming himself over Brentford going on about how "outstanding" and "stunning" they were. In reality that was all about how rubbish United was who gift wrapped the 3 points to the home side within 30 minutes. Brentford will play better this season and be beaten.
He kept talking about being bullied etc and it just wasn’t happening. They weren’t bullying us in the air at all but he kept saying it over and over againIs it just me or has he become more annoying on the commentary?
Yesterday creaming himself over Brentford going on about how "outstanding" and "stunning" they were. In reality that was all about how rubbish United was who gift wrapped the 3 points to the home side within 30 minutes. Brentford will play better this season and be beaten.
It’s more than sustainable, that’s the problem. There was some stat last season about how they have taken out of the club roughly what City’s owners have put into theirs, it’s mind boggling how it’s legal.This is the moment when the Glazers have to realize (if they haven't done so already) that such modus operandi without using their own money is just not sustainable, especially when they own 2 sports franchises. Either they start investing themselves properly or they sell one of the franchises; they can no longer go on as they have done so far.
Forget spending their own money, the Glazers have taken money OUT of the club, money that could have been invested in the stadium which is crumbling and on the training ground which is no longer the best in Manchester, nevermind the country. They have also not bothered to modernize the club, still have not appointed a football person as DoF, and are quite unbothered by the fact that we are the laughing stock of world football both in the transfer market and now increasingly on the pitch.He said aswell, the Glazers only spend what the club generates, is that not good business sense? I get the players not good but they have spent a fortune, so not really they’re fault if players aren’t good enough.
Why should they spend their own money?
The money spent isn’t really the point he’s making though. The only reason he mentioned that is because ‘The Glazers have spent lots of money’ often gets trotted out as a defence for them, when a) they’ve not spent any of their own money (hence the ‘this myth needs to die’ comment) and b) the transfer outlay should not absolve them of anything whatsoever. If anything, the careless spending has just made things worse. If you’ve watched the full clip I’m sure you already know what the real issues are with the Glazer family, because Gary spelt it out clearly and repeated it several times.He said aswell, the Glazers only spend what the club generates, is that not good business sense? I get the players not good but they have spent a fortune, so not really they’re fault if players aren’t good enough.
Why should they spend their own money?
After they'd finished and the presenter was promoting the next things on Sky, match of the day was advertised (Arsenal vs Leicester) and Redknapp spoke over her and said "United vs Brentford" as a joke, then the boxing was advertised after that and Neville said "Redknapp vs Neville!" and they both had a laugh about it, well Redknapp put his arm around Neville and started laughing a bit uncomfortably.That was really condescending, especially considering Neville’s achievements compared to his. Neville did well to keep his cool there.
I wish he had taken a swing at the fecking ignorant wanker.After they'd finished and the presenter was promoting the next things on Sky, match of the day was advertised (Arsenal vs Leicester) and Redknapp spoke over her and said "United vs Brentford" as a joke, then the boxing was advertised after that and Neville said "Redknapp vs Neville!" and they both had a laugh about it, well Redknapp put his arm around Neville and started laughing a bit uncomfortably.
No the point is they failed to acknowledge the mistakes for example giving Woodward lot of time. He made mistake after mistake. Yet they let him to throw money randomly without any actual improvement in team again and again.He said aswell, the Glazers only spend what the club generates, is that not good business sense? I get the players not good but they have spent a fortune, so not really they’re fault if players aren’t good enough.
Why should they spend their own money?
They don't care what happens on the pitch, if anything the less we care about the footballing side of things the more they can just focus on what they think United really is, an advertising agency for commercial revenue.Yikes. £350m to £50m in the bank? Have we also discovered these levers?
It's no longer sustainable for the Glazers. They don't have the means to sort this out both on the pitch and in terms of infrastructure.
Dark times indeed.
The FA or premier league shouldn't do a thing to stop anyone going down just because that team brings money to the league. Would be kinda outrageous if they did.It would!
Not the government, but the FA. They have this fit a proper persons test, when the feck does that come into effect? Just when they buy a club? La Liga would do everything within their power to stop Barcelona or Madrid going down, I wonder if the FA would be inclined to step in if a United, Liverpool, Chelsea etc were to be on the ropes also.
What are these "levers" I keep seeing?Yikes. £350m to £50m in the bank? Have we also discovered these levers?
It's no longer sustainable for the Glazers. They don't have the means to sort this out both on the pitch and in terms of infrastructure.
Dark times indeed.
The fans are irrelevant. People can't and won't stay away from social media and media interactions which is what the sponsors want. If anything, United being shit is more exposure for sponsors and increase brand awarenessThe FA or premier league shouldn't do a thing to stop anyone going down just because that team brings money to the league. Would be kinda outrageous if they did.
I have no idea if the FA or Premier league have it within their powers to get rid of the Glazers but we all know they are as much use as a chocolate teapot.
The only people who can get rid of the Glazers is you lot. Total boycott until they sell. It would take a couple of months and they'd sell up.
I know that's easy for me to say but don't expect help from the football authorities. It took a war for the uk government to be interested in Chelsea's takeover.
Do what you did against Liverpool a while ago. Every game until they agree to sell. It would take a couple of months.The fans are irrelevant. People can't and won't stay away from social media and media interactions which is what the sponsors want. If anything, United being shit is more exposure for sponsors and increase brand awareness
I hear what you're saying but that kind of shit show won't help us sign players, might force sponsors to pull out which affects nothing but the funds United have to spend and might even make the sponsors happy to be pictured all over the internet and papers around the world.Do what you did against Liverpool a while ago. Every game until they agree to sell. It would take a couple of months.
The fans are the absolute opposite of irrelevant if they choose to be.
What's he supposed to say or do?Nothing new from Neville as always.
He said "Glazers has to go" like for a year now.
