Ultimate Grib
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Tell him bollocks you're a c*ntFFS my old man must let slip he's voting Tory
Tell him bollocks you're a c*ntFFS my old man must let slip he's voting Tory
Yeah I found a recent piece by the IFS which is good - https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9207That was the coalition, not the Tories themselves
I dunno, but like-for-like comparisons must be difficult, given the vagaries of economic growth and corporate profitability in different years. If you have a year, for example, where both say Vodafone and RBS have multi-billion pound writedowns, that must hit in the tax intake?
Both my parents voted Tory. My dad basically just said they're all dishonest and 'well this area is a Tory stronghold anyway'. My mum just said she likes what she heard about Labour's manifesto but she didn't think it would happen and wasn't keen on Corbyn as a leader.I'm lucky that my Mum isn't voting Tory.
Trying to change the opinion of stubborn people is very difficult though, especially those who take everything the media say at face value.
This?I'm looking for the video of that senior police officer criticising May's cuts to police numbers last week - can anyone help?
An increase in VAT at a time when inflation is creeping up would be an assault on the poor and a struggling high street.The IFS was against any party ruling out certain tax rises, cos it is so restrictive- if we have some form of financial crisis mkII, the government may have to take drastic measures to fill the coffers. Plus, if you don't raise VAT, you only have to put the squeeze on elsewhere.
Tbh, they need a broad review of VAT cos it isn't meant to be on essentials, so it's a joke tampons, sun cream etc...face VAT. Fine if it's on luxury goods because they are discretionary.
Brilliant, ta mate.This?
Jokes on him. It turns out the real reason is that the people in this country have too many rights.This?
Nice deflection, great comment, feck the discussion eh, you know best, basically like all left wing social media, hyperbole all the way. Counter terrorism needs more funding not police on the street, look at the crime rates, the ones that new labour defined. I'm not fighting for anyone, the only thing that I challenge is the stupid assumptions that people like you mate.Nice deflection but it's not going to work. May proposed cuts, she was warned it would put further strain on the intelligence services, she ignored it and openly attacked the leaders that warned her. Fortunately she has folk like you that will fight tooth and nail to protect her from even being remotely responsible for stretching resources past breaking point.
This deserved aHave you tried raising VAT and killing all the poor?
That's a three month measurement ffs- we were top last year. Looking at quarterly or even annual figures is pretty short-termist in economic terms in all honesty. Wait til Brexit comes along..."UK comes bottom of G7 growth league"
I'm generally curious on how our economy is growing, because it's not and our national debt isn't being reduced either.
Fair point in many ways, but it kind of reminds me of my in-law's family and how they keep praying at the holy lake, basically asking Ganesh(?) for money. Despite the fact they never get any weird windfalls, they keep doing it in blind faith.Voting Tory won't help them though Jippy and if Labour isn't working either then they're basically utterly screwed.
I dunno if we're attracting them to 'temporarily set up shop' tbh- with the likes of Nissan, we want them to stay committed post-Brexit, for example, same with the banks.Me either. The thing is, I don't believe that attracting highly mobile multi-national companies to temporarily set up shop here does *that* much for the economy in the long haul.
The UK has some serious economic problems. I think there are whole classes of companies that we are missing:
- Car manufacturing; where is are our Fiat/BMW/Mercedes/Audi/Peugeot/Skoda/etc?
- Large Technology; where is our Apple/Microsoft/Google/etc
- The Internet; where is our Snap Chat/Twitter/Amazon/eBay/Netflix/Uber/etc
- Computers/TV/Phones; where is our Sony/Samsung/ASUS/Nokia/LG/HTC/etc
And that doesn't really even touch on wider manufacturing.
There are a couple of sectors where we do indeed punch above our weight; Banking for one, but in general the UK economy worries me.
You need home-grown companies to get the economy going. It's not enough to say "we are going to reduce corporation tax to 7% so that Apple open up a news-agents over here". That doesn't help as much as we'd like. Apple paid $15.8bn in Corporation Tax in the USA last year. I make that as 0.25% of the total US Goverment receipts last year, and that doesn't include workers wages (in every stage of production of their goods), sales tax, etc.
For many countries the larger home-grown companies are hugely important for their economy. We are sorely lacking a few modern giants. Many of our largest companies are formely state owned (BT, BAE, etc)
I don't know, I just don't think cutting corporation tax solves much. But equally, im happy to keep it at 20%
Yeah, Labour have had a reasonable campaign apart from Diane Abbott. She doesn't instil anyone with confidence.I think labour would have had a chance if it wasn't for that daft woman making them look like a complete joke. Still, hope I'm wrong.
That's why I said the whole VAT regime needs reviewing.An increase in VAT at a time when inflation is creeping up would be an assault on the poor and a struggling high street.
Yeah those external factors, eg raising income tax and VAT, will naturally push down corporation tax's overall percentage input. They make a good point about things beyond government's control, such as the oil price too. It goes to show how little control a government has over vast swathes of the economy, eg currency, oil price, ECB stinging backs with charges on deposits etc...Yeah I found a recent piece by the IFS which is good - https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9207
So we're actually taking in about the same level of onshore receipts now as we were in 2010, but external factors have played a big part in this and isn't representative. Also clear though that funding the bulk of your ambitious (to say the least) spending programme through a tax like this is dangerous and likely to result in a funding shortfall.
Both my own parents and the inlaws will vote Tory. Mine aren't the smartest and a bit racist, hers are typical southerners and don't understand why since im on decent wage id vote Labour.Asked him why and he gave me a load of media spoon fed bollocks about Corbyn. I broke down the bullshit and what the actual full quotes were and he just "we'll have to agree to disagree".
So fecking disheartening.
He's also a pacifist, don't forget.Wait are Jihadis communists now too?
Worse, Corbynites.Wait are Jihadis communists now too?
I just think there's too many older "shy Tory" voters.I’ve admittedly moved further left, from being somewhat centre left in the last few years since the 2015 GE, so I know I’m biased in that regard.
I’m just not convinced it’s going to be so cut and dry on election night, I have faith in my fellow young voters to get out there and put pen to paper.
I know there is a lot of people out there like me, in a similar situation to me and most importantly wants to have their say.
Call it delusion or just blind bias but I’d love to be proven right.
People are definitely underestimating the level of shy Tory cnuts. Saying that, I'd admit it is rather hard to imagine how shy you'd have to be to get out of bed and vote to lose human rights as well as condemn the most vulnerable to another 5 years of this shower of bastards.I just think there's too many older "shy Tory" voters.
Then there's the UKIP voters who are desperate for their special kind of Brexit.
Muslamic socialist liberals.Wait are Jihadis communists now too?
Is Communism compatible with Islam? That's an interesting one.Wait are Jihadis communists now too?
Leveson 2 would have him back in front of the inquiry.Wow, Murdoch is really shitting himself.
No one has invented a robocop party yetAnyone gonna vote for their beliefs without being influenced by papers, experts or institutions?
No, he just cut himself shaving.Wow, Murdoch is really shitting himself.
I'm not sure the older Tory voters are the shy ones tbh. People overlook the fact that a significant number, albeit a minority of 18-24 year olds, did vote Brexit.I just think there's too many older "shy Tory" voters.
Then there's the UKIP voters who are desperate for their special kind of Brexit.
Do love the fact the lead story is DM comment, ie they can't actually make a genuine news story out of it.
Ah, the ladder to senility.I'm not sure the older Tory voters are the shy ones tbh. People overlook the fact that a significant number, albeit a minority of 18-24 year olds, did vote Brexit.
Owned by a cnut, written for by cnuts, read by cnuts and endorsing cnuts.Daily Mail is a scum newspaper.
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