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Dawn’s less famous husband
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What about Tiger Woods..... Hot Wife but would sleep with tons of women and his career was legendary, soon as he got caught.... he became crap overnight.You can get fixated on certain sexual acts but also certain sexual partners. But to do it for 8 years straight, he should have sought out treatment from the beginning if he was banging his brothers wife
They seem incredibly popular now - I've seen women in their early 20s with lip botox (or whatever they're called)Botox and implants, bro.
It's called suctionThey seem incredibly popular now - I've seen women in their early 20s with lip botox (or whatever they're called)
- You can idolize him as a footballer. Nothing wrong with it, Giggs gave it all for United and I respect that.No matter how many times you say he’s shagged his brothers wife he will always be a legend at this club. That’s a fact. The mistake was sleeping with his brothers wife, that’s unforgivable. He’s still the most decorated footballer in English football and that’s how I’ll remember him.
The comment I was responding to said he is one of the best wingers of the twentieth century, not his generation.That context is not needed. He's one of the best wingers of his generation.
Actually that slut Natasha did. Probably loved him so when it came out he had been banging Imogen too, she spilled it out.How was he caught with his brothers wife, Did Imogen grass on him ?
He's one of the best wingers of the twentieth century.The comment I was responding to said he is one of the best wingers of the twentieth century, not his generation.
He may be one of the best wingers of his generation, but certainly not the twentieth century.
Surely you know the difference between the two?
A nice family portrait, what a disaster.Actually that slut Natasha did. Probably loved him so when it came out he had been banging Imogen too, she spilled it out.
You wonder how on earth did she come out top in all of this.
Giggs - the cnut of the highest order but sort of paid the price given he lost some of his family, some section of the fans and a good name. Still had money to burn, fancy job and support from many people, including his mother and most of family.
Rhodri - Innocent yet most severely damaged (along with Stacey and Ryan's/Rhodri's kids). His father said some time ago he was penniless and his mum hasn't spoken to him since it happened. Sick. Apparently the bigger chunk of the family prefer to spend time with Ryan with all the games, hospitality and money. Takes care of children alone.
Natasha - Was forgiven by Rhodri, then left him two years ago and could be seen left right centre in media since the accident, Big Brother and what not. Now prides herself on being a mother with another guy. Also aborted Ryan's baby just because it would be inconvenient for her.
Yeah, sick. I've just noticed I'd made a typo there, Natasha left Rhodri 2 years 'after' , 'not ago'.A nice family portrait, what a disaster.
What a scumbag family. Mother not chatting to the son who got fecked over cos she supports the son who fecked him over cos he's rich and famous? That's where Giggsy must have inherited his morals fromActually that slut Natasha did. Probably loved him so when it came out he had been banging Imogen too, she spilled it out.
You wonder how on earth did she come out top in all of this.
Giggs - the cnut of the highest order but sort of paid the price given he lost some of his family, some section of the fans and a good name. Still had money to burn, fancy job and support from many people, including his mother and most of family.
Rhodri - Innocent yet most severely damaged (along with Stacey and Ryan's/Rhodri's kids). His father said some time ago he was penniless and his mum hasn't spoken to him since it happened. Sick. Apparently the bigger chunk of the family prefer to spend time with Ryan with all the games, hospitality and money. Takes care of children alone.
Natasha - Was forgiven by Rhodri, then left him two years ago and could be seen left right centre in media since the accident, Big Brother and what not. Now prides herself on being a mother with another guy. Also aborted Ryan's baby just because it would be inconvenient for her.
I read all of that like the guy speaking the intro to an episode of Soap.Giggs - the cnut of the highest order but sort of paid the price given he lost some of his family, some section of the fans and a good name. Still had money to burn, fancy job and support from many people, including his mother and most of family.
Rhodri - Innocent yet most severely damaged (along with Stacey and Ryan's/Rhodri's kids). His father said some time ago he was penniless and his mum hasn't spoken to him since it happened. Sick. Apparently the bigger chunk of the family prefer to spend time with Ryan with all the games, hospitality and money. Takes care of children alone.
Natasha - Was forgiven by Rhodri, then left him two years ago and could be seen left right centre in media since the accident, Big Brother and what not. Now prides herself on being a mother with another guy. Also aborted Ryan's baby just because it would be inconvenient for her.
By all accounts from people I know who know his Dad, he’s gotten a lot of these awful traits from his father.Actually that slut Natasha did. Probably loved him so when it came out he had been banging Imogen too, she spilled it out.
You wonder how on earth did she come out top in all of this.
Giggs - the cnut of the highest order but sort of paid the price given he lost some of his family, some section of the fans and a good name. Still had money to burn, fancy job and support from many people, including his mother and most of family.
Rhodri - Innocent yet most severely damaged (along with Stacey and Ryan's/Rhodri's kids). His father said some time ago he was penniless and his mum hasn't spoken to him since it happened. Sick. Apparently the bigger chunk of the family prefer to spend time with Ryan with all the games, hospitality and money. Takes care of children alone.
Natasha - Was forgiven by Rhodri, then left him two years ago and could be seen left right centre in media since the accident, Big Brother and what not. Now prides herself on being a mother with another guy. Also aborted Ryan's baby just because it would be inconvenient for her.
Ched Evans was eventually acquittedLegend my arse. Was Ched Evans footballing career separated from his personal life? Should we still label a footballer a legend after if he is a rapist? What about a pedophile? Murderer? To me he is no longer a legend. A legend holds the values of the club and those values include moral and ethical values and shagging your brothers wife and beating women definitely breaks it. Would you have his statue outside old trafford? Should children idolize him? No. If your a piece of sht then you are no longer a legend. Whats next still put Rolf Harris on the BBC cos his entertainment career is sperate from his personal life?
Chef was found not guilty in a retrial so that probably isn’t the best example to make.Legend my arse. Was Ched Evans footballing career separated from his personal life? Should we still label a footballer a legend after if he is a rapist?
Ok, that's the chef out. I'm going to go with the butler in the library with a candlestick.Chef was found not guilty in a retrial so that probably isn’t the best example to make.
Ched Evans was eventually acquitted
Sorry forgot about this. Sorry Ched. My point was that after he was found guilty clubs abandoned him and his footballing career was not separated from the fact he was a rapist.Chef was found not guilty in a retrial so that probably isn’t the best example to make.
Well George Best did this too, also an alcoholic. So why is he still held insuch high regard then?Legend my arse. Was Ched Evans footballing career separated from his personal life? Should we still label a footballer a legend after if he is a rapist? What about a pedophile? Murderer? To me he is no longer a legend. A legend holds the values of the club and those values include moral and ethical values and shagging your brothers wife and beating women definitely breaks it. Would you have his statue outside old trafford? Should children idolize him? No. If your a piece of sht then you are no longer a legend. Whats next still put Rolf Harris on the BBC cos his entertainment career is separate from his personal life?
There’s a statue of George Best outside the stadium.Legend my arse. Was Ched Evans footballing career separated from his personal life? Should we still label a footballer a legend after if he is a rapist? What about a pedophile? Murderer? To me he is no longer a legend. A legend holds the values of the club and those values include moral and ethical values and shagging your brothers wife and beating women definitely breaks it. Would you have his statue outside old trafford? Should children idolize him? No. If your a piece of sht then you are no longer a legend. Whats next still put Rolf Harris on the BBC cos his entertainment career is separate from his personal life?
Well George Best did this too, also an alcoholic. So why is he still held insuch high regard then?
Edit. I mean domestic abuse , not rape.
So you still watch Rolf Harris? Thats fine is it. A bit of Tie me Kangaroo down sport?This is the age old artist vs deeds debate. Do we still love Goerge Best, knowing all the shit he got up to in his private life? Is it ok to still love the Smith's now that we know that Mozza is a cnut? What these guys have created is indelible. Are you telling me you're going g to stop feeling anything when you see reruns of Giggs slamming in the winner against Arsenal in the semi and wheeling away with his unfeasibly hairy chest? Of course you're not. But most of us recognise that he's a deeply flawed human being.
I know cancelling people is all the rage these days but human life is complicated. We're able to hate the act without rubbing out his entire existence.
Exactly. Its like the whole pulling down of statues in America. We have idolized pieces of shit for centuries. Christopher Columbus taught in history classes for generations. Turns out he was a piece of sht and most people dont even know it.There’s a statue of George Best outside the stadium.
Will everyone saying this tell me where the lines is. Do we turn a blind eye to paedohiles? Rapists? Murderers? What?Whatever happened in his personal life should stay in his personal life. We know him as a football player and that is kinda it.
No, and I don't go to church either. Just pointing out the level of hypocrisy in that post, in reference to the comment about having a statue outside the stadium. The same fans who think Best is one of the greatest of all time have turned out in force to lay into Giggs.So you still watch Rolf Harris? Thats fine is it. A bit of Tie me Kangaroo down sport?
I am not trying to defend Giggs. In my opinion, his football career should have ended the moment this scandal came out. I mean, how can anyone trust someone like him around wags? Its like throwing a fox in a chicken coop.What a scumbag family. Mother not chatting to the son who got fecked over cos she supports the son who fecked him over cos he's rich and famous? That's where Giggsy must have inherited his morals from
I think the situation is more analogous to someone like Michael Jackson, who might have given you endless joy from him artistic achievements, but have such a problematic dark side that for many, it taints the art as well.Exactly. Its like the whole pulling down of statues in America. We have idolized pieces of shit for centuries. Christopher Columbus taught in history classes for generations. Turns out he was a piece of sht and most people dont even know it.
I read Gigg's autobiography years ago and if I recall correctly his dad was a violent womanising alcoholic who caused the family great pain, hence why he dropped his fathers surmaneBy all accounts from people I know who know his Dad, he’s gotten a lot of these awful traits from his father.
To be fair since Best was before many of us, I don't think a lot of people knew all of what he got up to. I knew about the alcoholism, but I didn't know he was an abuser as well. I certainly think much, much less of him now that I know that.Well George Best did this too, also an alcoholic. So why is he still held insuch high regard then?
Edit. I mean domestic abuse , not rape.
Rhodri has done some time in prison in the past. Think he bottled someone in the face. Can’t say he is a paragon of virtueI am not trying to defend Giggs. In my opinion, his football career should have ended the moment this scandal came out. I mean, how can anyone trust someone like him around wags? Its like throwing a fox in a chicken coop.
However there's something in this story that simply doesn't add up. Rhodri's former wife had treated him like shit, Rhodri's brother had done the same and now Rhodri's mum is doing the same thing. Can lightening strike the same place 3 times at a row? Or could it be the case that the apple doesn't really fall far from the tree and Rhodri is as scum or even worse then his brother is?
Yeah it’s well known in Cardiff that his Dad is all of those things.I read Gigg's autobiography years ago and if I recall correctly his dad was a violent womanising alcoholic who caused the family great pain, hence why he dropped his fathers surmane
Oh behave. Rolf has disappeared because he had nothing of real worth to leave behind. Ditto Saville, Gary Glitter etc. Trawl through the lives of the great artists, songwriters, actors, directors, photographers, authors and you'll find plenty of despicable human beings. Are you telling me that should wipe out everything they've produced? It's that black and white world view that has us in the state we're in.So you still watch Rolf Harris? Thats fine is it. A bit of Tie me Kangaroo down sport?
Nah. I'm not defending that cnut of a human being giggs. If the club sticks by him just in the name of a few goals and trophies we're no better city.This is the age old artist vs deeds debate. Do we still love Goerge Best, knowing all the shit he got up to in his private life? Is it ok to still love the Smith's now that we know that Mozza is a cnut? What these guys have created is indelible. Are you telling me you're going g to stop feeling anything when you see reruns of Giggs slamming in the winner against Arsenal in the semi and wheeling away with his unfeasibly hairy chest? Of course you're not. But most of us recognise that he's a deeply flawed human being.
I know cancelling people is all the rage these days but human life is complicated. We're able to hate the act without rubbing out his entire existence.
We Maltese tend to know a thing or two about close knit families. However I struggle how someone could have an affair with his brother's wife for 8 whole years without that same brother noticing anything. That sounds BS to me. Then there are various stories about Rhodri leaving Manchester homeless and penniless, his humiliating TV advert were he capitalised about the fact that he was cuckolded by his brother, his own mother not talking to him + there's those old drug trafficking charges (whom tbf he got acquitted from). Maybe I am jumping to conclusions here but it seem to me that this guy would sell his own mother for money. Certainly there's something that doesn't sit right here.Rhodri has done some time in prison in the past. Think he bottled someone in the face. Can’t say he is a paragon of virtue
Agreed.Two points to make here. First of all he will be tried in a court of law, so judgement to be (somewhat) suspended until a guilty verdict is returned, but the police statement already condemns him through stating that the woman involved had ‘minor injuries’ so evidently they think they have a case.
Second point is the wider issue of whether you judge an artist purely on the basis of his work or whether considerations of his character have to come into play. This applies to whether he’s a skilful footballer, painter, architect, musician, writer, whatever.
Does maradona’s frankly poor character diminish the iconic images he painted at the highest level? Do you despise Gauguin for being a paedophile, Naipaul for being a wife-beater, Beethoven for being toxic and arrogant, Caravaggio for being a murderer? Or do you look at what they produced and marvel at it for its own sake, ignoring the character of the man who produced it?
The issue here is the idolising of giggs. He was a very skilful footballer. He produced lovely images on the pitch. He won you scores of trophies so you revere him. It’s probably worthwhile divorcing that from any consideration of him as a human being in your own mind.
There's a different between admitting he's a cnut footballer who happened to play for usTwo points to make here. First of all he will be tried in a court of law, so judgement to be (somewhat) suspended until a guilty verdict is returned, but the police statement already condemns him through stating that the woman involved had ‘minor injuries’ so evidently they think they have a case.
Second point is the wider issue of whether you judge an artist purely on the basis of his work or whether considerations of his character have to come into play. This applies to whether he’s a skilful footballer, painter, architect, musician, writer, whatever.
Does maradona’s frankly poor character diminish the iconic images he painted at the highest level? Do you despise Gauguin for being a paedophile, Naipaul for being a wife-beater, Beethoven for being toxic and arrogant, Caravaggio for being a murderer? Or do you look at what they produced and marvel at it for its own sake, ignoring the character of the man who produced it?
The issue here is the idolising of giggs. He was a very skilful footballer. He produced lovely images on the pitch. He won you scores of trophies so you revere him. It’s probably worthwhile divorcing that from any consideration of him as a human being in your own mind.