Sultan literally 100s of migrant workers have died being treated appallingly because of unsafe working conditions. Calling this out isn’t uncalled for.@Wumminator stop your grandstanding and behaving in an ostentatious manner by trying to attract favourable attention. Going by your posts you are intelligent enough to better present your opposition to the purchase.
I understand people have opinions on ownership but to call Qatar a murderous nation is going too far and uncalled. I can bring up many instances where far more atrocities have been committed by the very nation in which Manchester is based. Going onto the LGBTQ question and based on Abu Dhabi and Qatar owning City and PSG they both have thriving ladies' teams and from my understanding, there are no rules barring work recruitment or entry into the stadiums for any such groups.
The simple fact is the future owners will need to work within the framework of UK laws in all aspects of the governance of the club.
They want what is best for Manchester United. You don't have to bend over backwards to accommodate new owners because they aren't the Glazers. Be critical of everyone regardless of background.So what do these people want exactly? Do they want Elliott? Do they want the Glazers to remain? Do they want Pope Francis to buy the club? Oh wait, the Vatican is also a state
There are 3 public bids (Jassim, INEOS, Elliott). Then there's the Glazers staying. I'd love Jesus/Mohammed/Moses to come up and buy the club. That's not really an option though.They want what is best for Manchester United. You don't have to bend over backwards to accommodate new owners because they aren't the Glazers. Be critical of everyone regardless of background.
Behave. All I'm saying is, you don't have to publicly support anyone until you know what their intentions are beyond some vague "taking Man United back to the top" type message.There are 3 public bids (Jassim, INEOS, Elliott). Then there's the Glazers staying. I'd love Jesus/Mohammed/Moses to come up and buy the club. That's not really an option though.
To be fair they are maybe even more anti LGBT than Qataris.There are 3 public bids (Jassim, INEOS, Elliott). Then there's the Glazers staying. I'd love Jesus/Mohammed/Moses to come up and buy the club. That's not really an option though.
With the insane amount of shit they're churning out, they can setup an endless supply of biogas. Qatar will be out of business.superior supporters don't need electricity and gas.
Jesus said nothing about homosexuality (check for yourself) but Saul known as Paul was quite relentless. He was also the kind of man who felt superior to most Christians around him including the apostles who actually lived with Jesus. I'd love to see him and Wumminator having a chat. There's probably one or two things Wumminator can probably chastise him upon.To be fair they are maybe even more anti LGBT than Qataris.
Yes, I am sure migrant workers have died. However, you are calling this murder. It's very likely negligence on the part of contractors most of whom are not Qataris. I would be fully on board and understand if you accused Qatar of lacking strict health and safety policy.Sultan literally 100s of migrant workers have died being treated appallingly because of unsafe working conditions. Calling this out isn’t uncalled for.
There’s literally hundreds if not thousand of deaths at this regime’s hands. Is the official stance that we can’t mention that?
Is the most we can hope for LGBT+ users that they’re allowed in grounds? Is that it, I should be happy that our owners don’t banish women from the stadium?
All our opinion means jack shit. The reality is that the Glazers can sell to a consortium lead by Kim Jong UN, Putin and Steve Gerrard and we would have zero say about it. All we are doing here is to discuss the sale and whom we believe would be the better option. If I wish to listen to a sermon then I'd go to church. They have priests with way more experience in delivering them then certain superior fans (I am not referring to you)Behave. All I'm saying is, you don't have to publicly support anyone until you know what their intentions are beyond some vague "taking Man United back to the top" type message.
Ofcourse I will keep supporting the club regardless of the owners. Where do I say I won’t support the club? But I do have concerns about the ownership.Or
D. Just keep supporting the club regardless of who the owners are? That's the only choice where you actually have some control over. The previous three mentioned 'choices' have nothing to do with you nor do you have any say-so in.
Absolutely correct. Also, either of them will do a much better job than the Glazers.Wider point of order. People who don't want Qatar don't all want Ratcliffe/INEOS.
You can be critical of them both. The twerking for either party is rather undignified.
We know nothing about the silent bidders, so it’s difficult to say anything about them.What happened to the two “silent” bidders? Maybe one of them could be the way?
I don’t say they can’t afford to buy us, but we need a lot of investment in the stadium and infrastructure. Can/will they do that as well on top of buying the club for about 6 billion?Sigh. 800 pages later and the ‘Ratcliffe can’t afford us’ arguement is still getting aired. For goodness sake!
You are probably rightAbsolutely correct. Also, either of them will do a much better job than the Glazers.
That’s exactly my point. And don’t want Glazers as well. Critical of all possible known scenario's, we know nothing about the silent bids.Wider point of order. People who don't want Qatar don't all want Ratcliffe/INEOS.
You can be critical of them both. The twerking for either party is rather undignified.
Also,is any member of government in other countries trying to buy United?No member of the American (or any Western Government) is currently trying to buy Manchester United. If they were and trying to use it to cleanse their image, most (if not all) would be against it. This is ultimately what we're talking about here.
The various "wars on Terror" have been horrendous and most of the people who were involved in the Iraq war should be in prison for life. As I say though, they aren't currently trying to buy MUFC. In the context of this debate, its pointless bringing it up.
Those bidders had remained silent for a reason, if they exist at allThat’s exactly my point. And don’t want Glazers as well. Critical of all possible known scenario's, we know nothing about the silent bids.
I think it’s fair to say by now that the answer to this is no, we‘re not capable of doing thatCan we just discuss the club sale?
You need to research more.Behave. All I'm saying is, you don't have to publicly support anyone until you know what their intentions are beyond some vague "taking Man United back to the top" type message.
Then the mods should thread ban anyone mentioning morals going forward. There are specific threads for thatI think it’s fair to say by now that the answer to this is no, we‘re not capable of doing that
Asset strippers most likelyThose bidders had remained silent for a reason, if they exist at all
And how many have died or suffered through your country 's colonization of others; imperialism; human torture; coup d'etat setups; war and selling of weapons?Sultan literally 100s of migrant workers have died being treated appallingly because of unsafe working conditions. Calling this out isn’t uncalled for.
There’s literally hundreds if not thousand of deaths at this regime’s hands. Is the official stance that we can’t mention that?
Is the most we can hope for LGBT+ users that they’re allowed in grounds? Is that it, I should be happy that our owners don’t banish women from the stadium?
Possibly. There are rumours that they might be stephen pagliuca or/liberty media. US posters can give us an idea of what to expect if they buy us outAsset strippers most likely
Just keep reporting the posts til the mods do something about it (regarding Wum's posts)Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.
Ps not into debate = will not replyOf course, absolutely fine when you are a hypocrite. You can’t even back your own strong held beliefs…
do me a favour, let’s not extend this useless conversation. Thank you!
I need to stop getting dragged into this thread but this is so important.Yes, I am sure migrant workers have died. However, you are calling this murder. It's very likely negligence on the part of contractors most of whom are not Qataris. I would be fully on board and understand if you accused Qatar of lacking strict health and safety policy.
How do you want the club to treat the LGBTQ community? Presently, I am only allowed in the ground as a heterosexual. Should we as fans, whatever our orientation not be treated equally or should the LGBTQ community have special privileges entering the club?
It’s very obvious some mods here are turning a blind eye to Wumminator’s antics simply because they also don’t like Jassim’s bid.Just keep reporting the posts til the mods do something about it (regarding Wum's posts)
The Glazers have pretty much stripped the club bare already.Asset strippers most likely
We need to have clear definition of “murderous regime”.I need to stop getting dragged into this thread but this is so important.
is this you as a poster or you as a staff member saying this?
Is the position of the site team that we can’t call a regime murderous, we have to say that the country instead just has laws where hundreds if not thousands of innocent people have died due to lacking health and safety policies?
Well wouldn't that be more accurate? It's like saying the UK is a murderous regime for actively taking part in wars, forcing poor people out on the street to die in the cold, and countless others who have died due to austerity measures but I'm sure you'd vehemently disagree with that stance and be keen to point out it was certain government policies that have caused those issues instead.I need to stop getting dragged into this thread but this is so important.
is this you as a poster or you as a staff member saying this?
Is the position of the site team that we can’t call a regime murderous, we have to say that the country instead just has laws where hundreds if not thousands of innocent people have died due to lacking health and safety policies?
Yes.We need to have clear definition of “murderous regime”.
Just a question, do you consider the UK government, be it Labour or Tory, a murderous regime too?
no no. I’d agree with that stance. The Tories have blood on their hands for the last decade’s worth of policies.Austerity has killed plenty.Well wouldn't that be more accurate? It's like saying the UK is a murderous regime for actively taking part in wars, forcing poor people out on the street to die in the cold, and countless others who have died due to austerity measures but I'm sure you'd vehemently disagree with that stance and be keen to point out it was certain government policies that have caused those issues instead.
Was the labour government a murderous regime?no no. I’d agree with that stance. The Tories have blood on their hands for the last decade’s worth of policies.Austerity has killed plenty.
Why on Earth would you think I’d disagree with that?
I can't quite believe this argument is still being made. It's been made and then countered with simple logic so many times.https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20211203-uks-new-gas-saviour-during-supply-crunch-is-qatar/
"The Gulf state already has $50 billion of investments in Britain and delivers 90 per cent of Britain's imports of liquefied natural gas, according to Qatar's Ministry of Energy. According to a report published by Financial Times, last month, Downing Street initiated LNG diplomacy talks with their Qatari counterparts on diverting four energy tankers to Britain."
Kudos to those principled people who want to boycott United if a Qatari/Qatar are successful in an ethical/principled stance. I think the boycott should also extend to using electricity and gas in their homes.
What about petrochemical companies? And if not them either - then who? Who should own football clubs?A lot of you seem to not quite get it - any country owning us would be a bad thing. Of course in the lineup of regimes that could own us, Qatar is a pretty bad one, but even the most morally clean country in the world (if there even is one) still shouldn't be owning a football club.
I suppose we have to take it as face value and say Jassim and the 92 foundation are independent of the nation of Qatar. It's all we can go by.A lot of you seem to not quite get it - any country owning us would be a bad thing. Of course in the lineup of regimes that could own us, Qatar is a pretty bad one, but even the most morally clean country in the world (if there even is one) still shouldn't be owning a football club.
The Blair one? Yes. Obviously. The war in Iraq was horrific.Was the labour government a murderous regime?
