Some of them are also short of a load of fire doors.
Grenfell Tower Fire | 14th June 2017
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Just watched a video today on Youtube where a guy points out how the Grenfell tower was burning for like 12 hours and still standing but a certain other two towers in another country fell into themselves at freefall speed after only 50 minutes.
Circumstances of how they set alight very different of course but then so was the quality of buildings, massively. One was a cheap tower block clearly put up with corners and safety cut, the others in were designed to withstand plane crashes due to their height and were symbols of money and power.
Certainly raises a few eye brows but you see very few people mentioning this when talking of the buildings safety points. How is that building still standing after what we saw in 2001?
Circumstances of how they set alight very different of course but then so was the quality of buildings, massively. One was a cheap tower block clearly put up with corners and safety cut, the others in were designed to withstand plane crashes due to their height and were symbols of money and power.
Certainly raises a few eye brows but you see very few people mentioning this when talking of the buildings safety points. How is that building still standing after what we saw in 2001?
But this is the government through and through. Just like when there health or drug advisor told them ecstasy and cannabis were safer than alcohol they sacked him. Now their own fire experts warn of the high risks of these types of crammed in Judge Dredd housing blocks and they don't listen. Now people are dead.
They don't work for the people at all, they work for big business and old money families, there is no democracy in the UK. We just get a vote every 4 years and can only pick 1 of two parties in a riggged first past the post system, designed to make sure no one else can ever rise to the top, in which the people who cast votes minds are heavily influence by the rich peoples media they are bombarded with anyway.
Maybe one day lol....
From what I can remember about a documentary the Towers had a design flaw, it didn't have a concrete inner core or support columns. The design instead was to use steel columns and encase them with fire proof foam but the problem was the impact of the plane blew off the foam and thus revealed the steel. Add high temperature fire and the steel heats up to a point where it structurally fails.
Grenfell tower had the inner core, it had the support columns, it was a well designed building. The flaw to Grenfell came with the modernising cost cutting.
Ultimately just because something is expensive doesn't mean it's designed well, The Titanic is a great example of this.
Impact of two huge aircraft, the beginning of the collapse of both buildings was at or near the point of impact. Don't confuse the cladding issue, which was new cladding with the idea the entire building had substandard materials. Different types of buildings, built differently. Same as the impact on the Pentagon was different from the situation at WTC,
For god sake. Piss off with this nonsense into the conspiracy theory thread.
Can you genuinely not answer this yourself?
95 tower blocks out of 95 have now failed the test, although some questions have been raised as to how the tests are done.
Used to be we were ruled by rich landowning bastards who were concerned with maintaining the status quo for themselves, now we are ruled by.....nope.........cant see any difference myself.
Yeah, know what you mean. We"ve had the Tories in government for 7 years now. Before that we had Labour in government for 13 years.
Just to change the subject....11 storey tower block of flats in Germany (Wuppertal) has been evacuated now because of similar cladding.
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There was a caller into James O'Brien's show this morning, who thought that the figures were being kept low to quell the political reaction. As if 79 confirmed fatalities and a national scandal which has led to evacuations is somehow minor.
Regarding Lammy: we know that he sadly lost a friend in the fire, so this still could be a raw wound. On the other hand, i think he needs to stay above the Lily Allen type statements as such does him no credit at all. As an MP he'll be a leading figure throughout the inquiry process, and must be seen as a respected voice to apply as much pressure as possible.
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Sorry to be gruesome but has there been a final death toll or are they still searching?
Should imagine there's a fair bit of DNA testing still going on if the above is anything to go by.
Glad that other countries are not waiting for the same to happen there
I just don't understand why they're cant use other means to work out who was in there and did not come out. You have a set number of rooms. Most of the rooms will not have been sub-let; youll know exactly who was meant to be in there. Many of them may have had friends over at the time, in which case, someone will have said they are missing, so although that is difficult, it is solveable. Is there CCTV? Who is paying bills, on what bank accounts?
So 79 confirmed dead. How many missing and presumed dead?
Properly probably
I find it hard to believe there's 300 deaths they're not letting on about. Whether they're looking particularly hard for another 30 or so is another question.
(he posts gruesomely)
I would definitely reckon they want the thing pulled down asap, that's for sure.
(he posts gruesomely)
I would definitely reckon they want the thing pulled down asap, that's for sure.
I'm sure they know how many are officially missing and they will be busy trying to identify them through DNA etc. Problems will arise if they have DNA that does not correspond to any of the missing. They will want to identify these and it might need a very thorough search before they can say they have found and identified all available remains.
Don't know whether the CCTV was damaged in the fire or not but if it's ok then it will help somewhat.
This sort of accident recovery and identification uses a lot of time and resources though as all of the people working on it will have their normal full time job to do at the same time. All the lab staff will have their regular work to carry on with as well as this extra. So will the firemen, police etc. It's exhausting work and should imagine many will have no choice but to work long overtime hours for some time yet.
It would also depend how hard the authorities might have been looking historically at who has had the tenancy & number (identity) of occupants.
In any event, a fair few were owner occupiers or THEY might have been subletting of course, and won't want to be letting (
) on.
The horrible truth might be that it suits everyone (except mortgage insurers) to have the death toll remain at 79-ish rather than double of that / approaching 200.
In any event, a fair few were owner occupiers or THEY might have been subletting of course, and won't want to be letting (
) on.The horrible truth might be that it suits everyone (except mortgage insurers) to have the death toll remain at 79-ish rather than double of that / approaching 200.
I'm sure the total will rise but knowing who was there, who is still missing, who the bodies they have found are etc etc takes time and there are processes and procedures to follow to make sure mistakes aren't made.
Given that there will have been undocumented people in the building and that some bodies may have been reduced to ash may complicate things further. I don't really see 79 deaths being any more acceptable than over 100 or even more so I don't even see much of a motive to downplay it.
Given that there will have been undocumented people in the building and that some bodies may have been reduced to ash may complicate things further. I don't really see 79 deaths being any more acceptable than over 100 or even more so I don't even see much of a motive to downplay it.
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I did read somewhere that one person reported 40 people in one of the flats, not sure how true this is.
79 deaths , 1 death is not acceptable.
Hopefully lessons have been learnt and this will never happen again
Anyone else watched the Victoria show today? Show was hosted in Kensington with people affected by the tragedy.
It was one of the most tense and heated shows i've ever watched live.
It was one of the most tense and heated shows i've ever watched live.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40434741
The total death toll won't be known until the end of the year. What the feck.
The total death toll won't be known until the end of the year. What the feck.
23 flats where there are no known survivors. Some flats are too dangerous to enter apparently.
This article explains some of the problems in forensically identifying victims.
https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017...inisters-to-cut-fire-service-funding-by-200m/
These motherfeckers are still tone deaf.
These motherfeckers are still tone deaf.
That's a graphic and harrowing article.
The people still spreading these conspiracies about the death toll being covered up need to give that a read.
Sigh. We laugh at how shit Trump is and yet here we are with incompetent shits like this.
But this is still the same Sir Ken Knight with the following on his CV:
Firefighter
Chief Fire Officer of the LFB
HM Chief Inspector of Fire Services
He's not some political plant without any relevant experience.
Firefighter
Chief Fire Officer of the LFB
HM Chief Inspector of Fire Services
He's not some political plant without any relevant experience.
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This whole thing is so very sad and was avoidable. They better be moving super fast to ensure the safety of those living in the other towers.
This is a pretty good summary. If anyone wants more details just read the NIST report on it.
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"Another broken promise - PM assured locals that they would be consulted over choice of who will lead Public Inquiry. Ignored again"
May promised them that they'd be consulted over who would lead the Inquiry, as well as promising them the Inquiry would be broad. Both promises broken.
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-06-28/...e-bick-to-lead-grenfell-tower-public-inquiry/
No words for that type of behaviour.
Stupid about covers it. If you're going to commit fraud, don't do it where the entire country is looking.
Its more than stupid. Its detestable.
It is becoming a bit 9/11 on the conspiracy theory front. A caller to LBC believed that 200 bodies were pulled out of the building by the fire brigade; presumably they have all been hidden away somewhere. Another, with some support from David Lammy, is that more people jumped than was reported by the media/emergency services.
Judges do have their rulings overturned, it is not unheard of. But what i thought missed the mark in this instance, was Moore-Bick's suggestion that preliminary findings could be released after a year. If it at all possible the Government should be urging a date which is is somewhat earlier than that IMO.
Judges do have their rulings overturned, it is not unheard of. But what i thought missed the mark in this instance, was Moore-Bick's suggestion that preliminary findings could be released after a year. If it at all possible the Government should be urging a date which is is somewhat earlier than that IMO.