I'm sorry but we need to draw the line somewhere. This guy has been average at best for Chelsea, you would think that would give even ETH pause for thought even if he does think he did well for him at Ajax.
Hakim Ziyech | Chelsea player
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Ziyech is a midfielder by nature. He always played like that at Twente and Heerenveen.
At Ajax he mostly played as an inverted winger.
Really technical gifted player. Great left feet. Works really hard; Ten Hag had a 5 sec-rule. This means that Ajax has to win the ball back within 5 seconds after losing it.
Ziyech was always pressing like hell. 90 min long!! Only downside is that he isn't the fastest.
At Ajax he mostly played as an inverted winger.
Really technical gifted player. Great left feet. Works really hard; Ten Hag had a 5 sec-rule. This means that Ajax has to win the ball back within 5 seconds after losing it.
Ziyech was always pressing like hell. 90 min long!! Only downside is that he isn't the fastest.
Chelsea have been bad for him, especially Tuchel. He was injured a lot when Lampard was the manager which was a shame because he showed glimpses of his quality in that system but he was injured too frequently.
Once Tuchel got here, Ziyech has been a square peg in a round hole, but to be fair to Ziyech, he’s never complained and just tried his best to get on with the job and work hard for the team.
I always thought this was one of the cases when everything fitted perfectly but it just inexplicably didn't work out. The right sided 10 in Tuchel's Chelsea line up would be perfect for Ziyech and Tuchel's system in general, too, since he applies many concepts from total football. And when Havertz moved into the striker role, the right sided 10 even became vacant with Ziyech being the only other left footed attacking player.
For the prices quoted would be a good squad options, can play a few different roles.
I'd be happy with this signing. Watched him a bit at Chelsea on good days and bad and as a backup he's more than good enough for us.
Could probably get him for peanuts at the end of the window if Chelsea need rid, I really wouldn't mind him as an option if we don't secure better targets. ETH can get a tune out of him.
Ziyech to United? Yes please! Knows Ten Hag's system, very much underused by Chelsea, classy player, Chelsea want hin to get rid, hopefully Chelsea won't ask too much money for him.
Another good player that is not what we need.
Isn't he exactly what we would need? A left footed right winger who can be a creative force if Sancho is out, or just compete with the 2 wingers we have and rotate at a decent level rather than the massive drop off to Elanga currently?
It doesn't excite me but I'd rather have him in the squad than not have him. He can be a useful player plus it adds some depth to our squad.
Bench player, good for squad depth, is cheap, knows how to press
We should be signing players who can compete or better what we have not signing backups for the sake of depth because they’re cheap.
People will say don't want.
Then Sancho will get injured and they'll say why didn't we sign a right sided attacker.
No. People will say don’t want, sign someone better. This whole “Ziyech or nobody” argument is total nonsense.
He would start at United with Sacho LW and him RW
Sure he would.
This is the point. Would you rather have him or Elanga playing that spot. Personally, I'd rather have him there than any of our youngsters aside from Garnacho but he's vastly unproven. He has shown his class before and he knows the system already. If we can get him for less than 15 mil, that's a no brainer.
I believe he would, unless Rashford becomes a better player under Ten Hag
The ideal scenario would be that we get him on a loan. It doesn't make sense to buy him for one season only to replace him next season with another right winger, because he simply isn't good enough to take us where we belong. That being said, he is far better than our current options. Can't see Chelsea loaning him to us though.
We shouldn't be filling the squad with mediocrity just to make up numbers. We've had more than enough of that in recent years
Then who should we go for? Because we haven't been linked with any wingers aside from Antony and that ship has sold. It's evident that ETH is going after people that he trust and know so this one make complete sense. Every team still needs squad depth if they are going to compete for titles. Just look at who City and Liverpool have had in recent years.
I think Antony is the target for next summer, but we'll be hard pressed to find someone better than what we have anyway. That's a 100m signing if you want that. This season it's a bit desperate so we just need someone to compete and provide adequate cover for now. Even a loan would be good IMO. Can't go in with Elanga only.
“play the kids rather than panic buying” is trotted out so often on here, would Ziyech count as a panic buy
What attacking player hasn't failed at Chelsea the last few years? Every player they have brought in attack has failed. Whether it's Ziyech, Timo Werner, Lukaku, Kai has been hit and miss. Maybe Tuchel is the problem?
Maybe but doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be good for us. I think he’d actually start and knows the manager.
Probably on loan.
Problem with ziyech at chelsea was whenever he got continuous games he started to perform and gaining confidence then get injured. It was always stop start for him at chelsea. Bit unlucky for him so far at chelsea.
Nothing. I'd imagine Chelsea would be more amenable for such a deal towards the end of the window.
We should absolutely do this loan to buy to improve squad depth.
Like ?
Either you are underrating Ziyech
Or there are so many attainable right wingers in world football that are better than Ziyech I just don't seem to know about.
Would pick Ziyech over Elanga all day everyday.
The wish version of Di Maria
Some criminal underrating of Ziyech going on.
Only reason we should complain is because he's 29 but are we in that position now?
Only reason we should complain is because he's 29 but are we in that position now?
Yes. I’m Underrating the guy Chelsea desperately want to get rid of for 8m quid after a very underwhelming 6 goals and 6 assists across his 50 PL games. Clearly there aren’t many better than him in world football. It isn’t my job to suggest players better than what we have so we improve on 6th - that’s what the club have had 8 months to do considering they wrote last season off - but Olise. Neto. Antony. There’s 3. David can play wide. We aren’t going to win titles by building a squad full of mediocre rejects from Chelsea. If it wasn’t for the fact he’s cheap and used to play for ETH he wouldn’t even be suggested.
Sure if we buy him and Frenkie we are only another 8 players and a specific south-western breeze away from unlocking the potential of the Donny.
I don't mind Ziyech, but surely ETH knows it's not the way forward to just keep targeting players he has already coached.
I guess the counter point is United is very undesirable to most players who could improve us, whereas players managed by ten hag know what he is capable of.
A lot of factors come into performances, Ziyech when under ETH had a season of 20+ assists but let's forget about that.
Then you go on and mention Olise and Neto who are talented but haven't proven themselves anywhere near the level Ziyech has.
I said Attainable if you think spending 100m for Antony is a better deal than Ziyech for 8m idk what to say.
Not even that much of a problem considering Antony is our longer term goal anyway. Doesn't impact us going for him next summer if we still want to.
For 8m it makes sense given our total lack of options. It's basically swapping him for Eric 'crock' Bailly ffs.