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He wasn't even a starter in the championship, I doubt he'll attract interest from EPL teams.I hope he gets a loan where he gets regular minutes.. Hopefully a PL club.. or maybe a different league.
He wont get enough meaningful minutes here this season.. He needs to nail down a position and play regularly.. He has a lot going for him...
I partly agree with your sentiment. Its usually easier ( relatively) for an attacking player to shine better than a midfielder. Thee players you have listed are all good players and i am excited to see them do well.We are, just not the ones you want?
Garnacho last season, Mainoo seemingly this season and we're yet to see but maybe Amad too.
If he had done better on loan like Amad or Garner he might have had more chances.
I don't rate either one but this is hogwash. Some people really underestimate the level required to play for United.I partly agree with your sentiment. Its usually easier ( relatively) for an attacking player to shine better than a midfielder. Thee players you have listed are all good players and i am excited to see them do well.
My point was maybe we should invest in young players a little more and be a lot more patient. These kids couldnt have done worse then mct and fred
Am not saying all kids in our academy are ready to step in. My point is we need to be developing these kids to be able to make that step in.I don't rate either one but this is hogwash. Some people really underestimate the level required to play for United.
He is first team ready, just not United first team ready. And very few will beThe mysterious way in which we work. We will sell him for 5 million next year and then buy another youngster for 20.
What happened to developing young players to be first team ready.
We are. Our academy does an excellent job of developing and preparing players for PL football. The reality is that the bar making it at United is really, really, really, really high. That's not a shortcoming of the academy system, that's just the reality of being a side that expects to be at the top end of the table every season.Am not saying all kids in our academy are ready to step in. My point is we need to be developing these kids to be able to make that step in.
We havent had much success or even too many attempts at bringing through a CM in recent times. McTom is the only one and he got in there after playing as a forward and due to his physique. He's not the type of midfielder we need to move the team forward and the ones who are more that type, we didnt push into the team and they're now playing elsewhere.I partly agree with your sentiment. Its usually easier ( relatively) for an attacking player to shine better than a midfielder. Thee players you have listed are all good players and i am excited to see them do well.
My point was maybe we should invest in young players a little more and be a lot more patient. These kids couldnt have done worse then mct and fred
The Birmingham City loan is what fecked it I think. He needed to go to a more technical team, maybe not even in the Championship at all as it's not like he needed to learn how to deal with physical battles and grafting (he never had an issue with either).He’s been very unfortunate with us. Timing, sliding doors situations can alter the direction of a young player. He came here for big money as a top talent and after settling - he was clearly the best player in the academy and won the player of the year award to back it up. Those who are simplifying it as ‘he’s clearly just not good enough’ are incorrect IMO, or certainly premature. At the time he had basically completed academy football for us, there was no sensible transition available to the first team. We were in such an awful state. I think his debut came away at Wolves on the final day two seasons ago and even in his 10 minutes - he was class.
After that, I think he was on international duty or injured during pre season, and then came a terrible season where Ole was sacked, and Rangnick came in and had him on the bench every week for months but the first team was so rubbish that we never found ourselves with a lead and he never got on. There was a moment where we had some injuries but he was again away with Tunisia.
For a player who had just won academy player of the year, he was clearly in the thinking of both Ole and Rangnick, but never got a chance and the first team was completely broken under Ralf. Ten Hag came in and played him as a striker all of last summer, behind Iqbal and Savage in midfield, players Hannibal had always been ahead of, and then he went to Birmingham City, which I doubt anyone would have thought was a good idea at the time.
I’d have loved to have at least just had a look in central midfield, in a good Manchester United team, for just a few games. For one reason or another, we’ve never really got to have a look, and given the promise he showed in the reserves, and the fact he was always earmarked as a huge talent - I would have thought that he’d at least get that before he leaves United. With some players, a two year drift or break in momentum is not recoverable, and I hope he gets to be the best version of himself that he can be, as I think that
Good player Gore. I'd take Hannibal anyday though.I think a loan to Sunderland would be great. ETH will be bedding in Kobbie this season so he will either keep Hannibal (as he did last year with Kobbie) or loan him out. I think Hannibal and Gore are fighting for 1 place at United
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I disagree, the likes of chelsea, liverpool and even city to a certain extent have very good academy players. They cant get a game in the first 11 because the starting 11 for these teams ( excluding Chelsea's current situation) is great. We make some good talent in attack but midfield, defense is lacking. And it's not like these players are moving on an making great careers elsewhere in their 20's.We are. Our academy does an excellent job of developing and preparing players for PL football. The reality is that the bar making it at United is really, really, really, really high. That's not a shortcoming of the academy system, that's just the reality of being a side that expects to be at the top end of the table every season.
Which youngster in the recent past have we 'bought' who is first team ready? we spent 50 odd million on Amad and Pellisteri. It makes financial sense too to invest in youth and have them make the step up. surely out of 20-30 players we have we can develop 4-5 players. we haven't done that in a looong time.He is first team ready, just not United first team ready. And very few will be
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He reminds me of David Silva. If he can first develop into that sort of player successfully, at some point he'll fill out more than Silva and he'll have a great chance of playmaking from the deeper areas to really control games. However, it all depends on how his attacking numbers develop and what the team needs. I really like this player, he has so much natural talent as a midfielder. You can see something special in him, or at least I do.Sometimes I put that because I know others won't like it.
I would really like to see Hannibal playing in midfield. Reminds me a bit of the Gomes situation where the two players aren't married to the attacking midfield position, but for some reason people can't see them excelling deeper even though there is plenty evidence that they've done well in that position before. In Hannibal's case more so as he originally started there for Monaco. Some 10s play well as 10s at youth level, but are better suited for the wings, or as wide forwards, or strikers, or midfield. Not all 10s are geared to providing end product just like not all 10s can run a game from deep.
I disagree, the likes of chelsea, liverpool and even city to a certain extent have very good academy players. They cant get a game in the first 11 because the starting 11 for these teams ( excluding Chelsea's current situation) is great. We make some good talent in attack but midfield, defense is lacking. And it's not like these players are moving on an making great careers elsewhere in their 20's.
It’s not even littered, United’s academy is and has almost always been the one providing the most players to the PL.Yes it is. The league is littered with ex United academy graduates doing really well. We’re going to sell two in their twenties to be premier league regulars this season.
His running is really something. If there’s a Bielsa style coach out there looking for a midfielder on loan that would maybe be ideal.He was terrific last night. He will make it here. As for his attitude, he ran miles yesterday and played hard until the end. A level above Wrexham for sure.
I agree with the vast majority of this post, good on you for not following the general mentality. I feel a lot is being made of an unseuccessful loan and on preseason decisions so far.He’s been very unfortunate with us. Timing, sliding doors situations can alter the direction of a young player. He came here for big money as a top talent and after settling - he was clearly the best player in the academy and won the player of the year award to back it up. Those who are simplifying it as ‘he’s clearly just not good enough’ are incorrect IMO, or certainly premature. At the time he had basically completed academy football for us, there was no sensible transition available to the first team. We were in such an awful state. I think his debut came away at Wolves on the final day two seasons ago and even in his 10 minutes - he was class.
After that, I think he was on international duty or injured during pre season, and then came a terrible season where Ole was sacked, and Rangnick came in and had him on the bench every week for months but the first team was so rubbish that we never found ourselves with a lead and he never got on. There was a moment where we had some injuries but he was again away with Tunisia.
For a player who had just won academy player of the year, he was clearly in the thinking of both Ole and Rangnick, but never got a chance and the first team was completely broken under Ralf. Ten Hag came in and played him as a striker all of last summer, behind Iqbal and Savage in midfield, players Hannibal had always been ahead of, and then he went to Birmingham City, which I doubt anyone would have thought was a good idea at the time.
I’d have loved to have at least just had a look in central midfield, in a good Manchester United team, for just a few games. For one reason or another, we’ve never really got to have a look, and given the promise he showed in the reserves, and the fact he was always earmarked as a huge talent - I would have thought that he’d at least get that before he leaves United. With some players, a two year drift or break in momentum is not recoverable, and I hope he gets to be the best version of himself that he can be, as I think that
We're Manchester United and our aim is to beat the likes of city and Madrid. So yes, yes he does need to beI agree with the vast majority of this post, good on you for not following the general mentality. I feel a lot is being made of an unseuccessful loan and on preseason decisions so far.
On the flip side, I do have a feeling he may be loaned or even sold within the nexr season and personally, think it is th ewrong decision.
Amad was poor at Rangers and now had a good loan, people are really expecting him to break through....Antony, Sanncho and Pellestri all vying for the same position, it isnt an easy path.
As for the path for Hannibal.....if McFred and VDB go....yes there is still Mount, Fernandes, Eriksen, Casemeiro, Mainoo and maybe even a new signing so possibly two for each position ahead of him.
Personally I dont think we need another signing, I really believe e have a Casemeiro deputy already in Mainoo who even at his tender age can play 15games or so a season, maybe some of them from the bench...breaking thorugh like Garnacho. On the opposite end of the scale, I sadly also thik Eriksen is almost as good as done.
Hannobal runs all day, is touch is absolutely fantastic as well. He is only 20, people are talkign as if he is a Lindgard been here a decade and never made it properly. I think there is a lot of work to do with him, but harnessed correctly,...."isnt first team ready"....does he need to be? He has enogh talent and enough energy to be a valuable squad player and maybe make a breakthrough from opportunities...just not sure he get sthem, but all this not good enough, I totally disagree
Raw talent yes… is he ready for the 1st team and play PL / CL games ? Unfortunately not . A loan would be best suited to his career. Kobbie Mainoo has shown himself to be more ready to be around the 1st team in my opinion.I know it's only Wrexham but how can people watch that clip and not see the talent. If there is one young player that passes the eye test then for me it's this lad.
Bit lazy logic. He's playing in a team of youngsters against a team of grown men. To expect him to dominate is maybe to realise he's already good enough, which most people on here seem to think he is not.Looked great against Wrexham, but let's be clear, Wrexham are a league two team. If he wasn't dominating against them it'd be a very bad sign.
I think he has a future here but he needs to be playing 90 mins every week just now. He needs a loan where he'll play good football, somewhere towards the top half of the Eredivisie is where I'd look to send him.
Funny thing is Hannibal wasn't poor at Birmingham - maybe he didn't shine a much as Amad, but he played quite regularly even if for a period he lost his place and regained it. He was their highest assist maker per 90 in a team that regularly by passed the midfield, and was instrumental in carrying the ball and buying fouls.I agree with the vast majority of this post, good on you for not following the general mentality. I feel a lot is being made of an unseuccessful loan and on preseason decisions so far.
On the flip side, I do have a feeling he may be loaned or even sold within the nexr season and personally, think it is th ewrong decision.
Amad was poor at Rangers and now had a good loan, people are really expecting him to break through....Antony, Sanncho and Pellestri all vying for the same position, it isnt an easy path.
As for the path for Hannibal.....if McFred and VDB go....yes there is still Mount, Fernandes, Eriksen, Casemeiro, Mainoo and maybe even a new signing so possibly two for each position ahead of him.
Personally I dont think we need another signing, I really believe e have a Casemeiro deputy already in Mainoo who even at his tender age can play 15games or so a season, maybe some of them from the bench...breaking thorugh like Garnacho. On the opposite end of the scale, I sadly also thik Eriksen is almost as good as done.
Hannobal runs all day, is touch is absolutely fantastic as well. He is only 20, people are talkign as if he is a Lindgard been here a decade and never made it properly. I think there is a lot of work to do with him, but harnessed correctly,...."isnt first team ready"....does he need to be? He has enogh talent and enough energy to be a valuable squad player and maybe make a breakthrough from opportunities...just not sure he get sthem, but all this not good enough, I totally disagree
Exactly. there’s absolutely no reason why he should be here when he won’t get to play enough to meaningfully develop. I hope the club show patience with him and he gives us another few years because he looks to have a lot of talent and he was a big deal at youth level but he needs to refine his game. He is looking like he’s currently on course to do a bit of a Periera. As things stand he’s not strong enough at any specific thing to play here regularly. Mainoo looks more unique a prospect and we probably can’t even give him enough minutes once the PL starts again.Looked great against Wrexham, but let's be clear, Wrexham are a league two team. If he wasn't dominating against them it'd be a very bad sign.
I think he has a future here but he needs to be playing 90 mins every week just now. He needs a loan where he'll play good football, somewhere towards the top half of the Eredivisie is where I'd look to send him.
Yes and we are currently a long way away from that level, youg player with huge potetial that can grow into the first team over the next season or so can play a huge part in bridging that gap. We are highly unlikely to compete with them next season, a year or two of growth, who knows. Or should we instead buy qualtty, experienced older players that are first team ready then? As we have done a lot of signings of that ilk the lst few seasons, especally up front....and look where we are now in trms of the striking department...it isnt 2010, we ar ein a very different position that e have been in for a good decade now, lets be realisticWe're Manchester United and our aim is to beat the likes of city and Madrid. So yes, yes he does need to be
Well, I only saw him a couple of times during his loa, he as fairly quiet you could still see the quality of his touch though.Funny thing is Hannibal wasn't poor at Birmingham - maybe he didn't shine a much as Amad, but he played quite regularly even if for a period he lost his place and regained it. He was their highest assist maker per 90 in a team that regularly by passed the midfield, and was instrumental in carrying the ball and buying fouls.
His touch, dribbling, short and long passing that anyone who watches Hannibal would immediately recognise were all on show in this game. He needs to add calmness and maturity to his game (which is what Mainoo has going for him), but that boy Hannibal is a player.
Our fans are either blind to talent or just refuse to see it. He's got a higher ceiling than even Mason Mount. Hannibal with some polishing from ETH is good enough for our first team. Probably our most athletic midfielder at the moment and I'm quite convinced he'll be a starter before too long. He's very skilled and people judging him on the Birmingham loan don't understand it has to do with the system they play.I know it's only Wrexham but how can people watch that clip and not see the talent. If there is one young player that passes the eye test then for me it's this lad.
Agree, though dont think he will be a starter, thats a bit ahead of ourselves. I just hope he isnt loaned and isnt wasted liek Pellestri last season. Personalyl think both he and Mainoo could be valuable squad options as deputies to Casemeiro and Mount, they both definately are more suited to the roles than McFred and I feel Eriksen only holds value now as a back up to Ferandes this season, personal opinion is he is virtually doneOur fans are either blind to talent or just refuse to see it. He's got a higher ceiling than even Mason Mount. Hannibal with some polishing from ETH is good enough for our first team. Probably our most athletic midfielder at the moment and I'm quite convinced he'll be a starter before too long. He's very skilled and people judging him on the Birmingham loan don't understand it has to do with the system they play.
It seems more and more likely he will have another loan the coming season.Agree, though dont think he will be a starter, thats a bit ahead of ourselves. I just hope he isnt loaned and isnt wasted liek Pellestri last season. Personalyl think both he and Mainoo could be valuable squad options as deputies to Casemeiro and Mount, they both definately are more suited to the roles than McFred and I feel Eriksen only holds value now as a back up to Ferandes this season, personal opinion is he is virtually done
I'm not sure how you can make that determination. Mount was starting for Chelsea at 20. It seems like Hannibal will get another year on loan. Mainoo seems closer to the first team than Hannibal does at this point.Our fans are either blind to talent or just refuse to see it. He's got a higher ceiling than even Mason Mount. Hannibal with some polishing from ETH is good enough for our first team. Probably our most athletic midfielder at the moment and I'm quite convinced he'll be a starter before too long. He's very skilled and people judging him on the Birmingham loan don't understand it has to do with the system they play.
