At heading the ball. That's it.He is better than Lindelof and Smalling ..
At heading the ball. That's it.He is better than Lindelof and Smalling ..
Oh ok I get you now, he’s been great except when he hasn’t and has cost us goals/points. Solid argument Bergwijn and Stanislas shouldn’t have had the chance to score in the first place. DDG surely has built up enough goodwill over the years to not be thrown under the bus every time Maguire leaves him exposed. Maguire has been pretty good all season but he’s not a PL winning captain unless we get a lightning quick centre half in beside him.Did you not read “pretty much”? Bergwijn shouldn’t have scored if De Gea didn’t feck up.
And 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013.Maguire is proof that value is relative (and also that United's recruitment in recent years has been cak). He was worth £80m to us because he was better than what we already had. However, to the elite Maguire wouldn't level them up enough to even consider that outlay. He's a good defender rather than a great defender. In our 1994, 1999 or 2008 teams he would not have been a starter. That in itself says a lot.
great point; the transfer policy has improved in last few years and we are lucky the academy is bailing out the scouting departmentMaguire is proof that value is relative (and also that United's recruitment in recent years has been cak). He was worth £80m to us because he was better than what we already had. However, to the elite Maguire wouldn't level them up enough to even consider that outlay. He's a good defender rather than a great defender. In our 1994, 1999 or 2008 teams he would not have been a starter. That in itself says a lot.
He could have subbed him off instead of Lindelof who was playing miles better. But Ole has decided that he is our talisman.I think Maguire's performance today was due to fatigue. He's played virtually every minute since footballs return and Solskjaer has virtually no other option but to play him as our other options are either permanently crocked or useless.
Lindelöf was injured.He could have subbed him off instead of Lindelof who was playing miles better. But Ole has decided that he is our talisman.
Oops, missed that.Lindelöf was injured.
I mean that's just not true.Very poor game for him today, make a few mistake and cost us a goal. Our defence, under his leadership, has been a mess. Thankfully our attack has been brilliant.
Man you hate Maguire hahahaAnd 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013.
Ok then, he is better than Rio and Vidic.Man you hate Maguire hahaha
This.As a leader and character he was a good signing but he just isn't a top class defender.
United need to find a defensive rock to play next to him.
Not very good, but then again getting megged like that will always make you look ridiculous (and influence people's perception of the overall performance unduly). And DDG should have stopped it. His anticipation/positioning was highly dubious.He was poor today
No, he wasn't. That will probably never change.he clearly wasn't worth £80m
Agreed. And that is - surely - the bottom line.but I think he was much better than what we had here and he's improved us at the back
Idiots. Smalling has had his chance. If you watch him in Italy he's been okay but his performances have tapered off and mistakes creeping back in.He had a shit game today, it happens. Some are already crying for Smalling to go back in to the side...feck me.
That’s a spurious argument. They’re the best defensive partnership in PL history. Both had terrible games for us mind. Worth noting that Vidic’s nightmare games against Liverpool were as a result of the scouse identifying him as the weak link and preying on him because he couldn’t cope with players running at him. Look at Rio’s defending for the Messi goal in the CL final, it’s pretty abysmal. Players are under the microscope much more these days and it’s harder for centre backs because of the way the game has evolved.Ok then, he is better than Rio and Vidic.
I don't get what you're talking about. He's right, Maguire would have never played ahead of Rio and Vidic regardless. He's not a bad defender, but these are elites.That’s a spurious argument. They’re the best defensive partnership in PL history. Both had terrible games for us mind. Worth noting that Vidic’s nightmare games against Liverpool were as a result of the scouse identifying him as the weak link and preying on him because he couldn’t cope with players running at him. Look at Rio’s defending for the Messi goal in the CL final, it’s pretty abysmal. Players are under the microscope much more these days and it’s harder for centre backs because of the way the game has evolved.
Maguire has been in great form during our strong run but has had a couple of wobblers since we’ve come back, including today. The whole defence was exposed by Bournemouth’s tactics today, the lack of pace and the nervousness of playing out from the back under the press, starting with the keeper.
Ok then, Evans deputizing for Rio in 2008-2009 (when we went into that infinite series of no goals conceding) and in final Fergie's season was light-years better than Maguire has ever shown for us. Brown when fit was better than Maguire has ever been for us.That’s a spurious argument. They’re the best defensive partnership in PL history. Both had terrible games for us mind. Worth noting that Vidic’s nightmare games against Liverpool were as a result of the scouse identifying him as the weak link and preying on him because he couldn’t cope with players running at him. Look at Rio’s defending for the Messi goal in the CL final, it’s pretty abysmal. Players are under the microscope much more these days and it’s harder for centre backs because of the way the game has evolved.
That's where we disagree. I don't think that he has ever been great, or even particularly good. I don't even think that he has been better than Lindelof. We are conceding more than under Mourinho and LVG. He has been plain average and we would have been having LOLz if some other club was as stupid as spending 80m for him.Maguire has been in great form during our strong run but has had a couple of wobblers since we’ve come back, including today. The whole defence was exposed by Bournemouth’s tactics today, the lack of pace and the nervousness of playing out from the back under the press, starting with the keeper.
I don’t agree that Evans and Brown were better. If you put Rio next to Maguire you’d have a brilliant partnership in my opinion. I don’t think Maguire is only good at heading the ball either. He has more goals and assists than any other PL defender since he’s been in the league so he offers more goal threat than any other CB in the league. He's strong and doesn’t get bullied physically. His passing is hit and miss but he can play nice diagonals at times, he is good at stepping out with the ball although we’ve not seen that as much at United because we often face deep sides. He also has leadership qualities hence Olly naming him captain so soon. He’s also appeared in every PL game this season after years of our efforts being undermined by physically injury prone centre backs.Ok then, Evans deputizing for Rio in 2008-2009 (when we went into that infinite series of no goals conceding) and in final Fergie's season was light-years better than Maguire has ever shown for us. Brown when fit was better than Maguire has ever been for us.
Every player makes mistakes. Maguire makes too many while not being particularly good at anything except heading the ball.
That's where we disagree. I don't think that he has ever been great, or even particularly good. I don't even think that he has been better than Lindelof. We are conceding more than under Mourinho and LVG. He has been plain average and we would have been having LOLz if some other club was as stupid as spending 80m for him.
He is not miles better than Victor and Chris.I like Maguire a lot. He's miles better than Smalling/Lindelof/Jones but he seems to be one of those players who can lose form easily. Rooney perhaps being an example in that he had to be in absolute peak form to perform to his highest otherwise he looked average. Matic too. And Maguire seems to be similar that way.
This. I've watched every match and even in his best ones, he is just a good, solid defender. Prime Jones and Rojo at their best have also shown the same type of form. Miles better, if meant literally, is a bit of an exaggeration.He is not miles better than Victor and Chris.
I agree. People seem either having agenda due to his price tag or they didn't see it again. I'd also question why some of the other players were just ball watching.Maguire really didn't do too much wrong for that first goal.
He intercepted well initially, then had to charge towards Stanislas in the resulting spill - couldn't leave him unmarked. Stanislas did well to compose himself to meg Harry as he came towards him. All top defenders can get megged, its not a completely unavoidable part of the game. I'd question more De Gea in that scenario.