If we buy him I think that means Lindelof will be benched for the majority of the season. Need to pair someone like Maguire with a pacier defender.
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We should be throwing Jones in this deal, perhaps we are behind the scenes.
I could change perhaps with hoping also.
I could change perhaps with hoping also.
What are you talking about man, what the feck are you talking about? Who have you been watching. What more does he need to do? He's a Centre Back. He brings the ball forward better than any other in England. His distribution and ease on the ball has surpassed Stones a while ago. Why would he need to be mobile when he shields the keeper and brings the ball forward? At least make sense with the assessment, or, watch him play for Leicester, at the very least.
You’ve both massively missed my point.So boring! De Ligt doesn't want to come here or we would pay the required transfer fee, once again a member of this forum getting the real world confused with FIFA/Football Manager.
I’d be happy to get Maguire and I know full well we couldn’t get anyone like De Ligt but the principle of paying more for a worse player would grate on me. I’ve already stated I think Maguire is one of the best PL cbs around and I’d be happy to have him but does not a small part of you look at the fees suggested for him and think they are excessive given a greater talent may well go for 65m?
It doesn’t work that way though does it. Leicester don’t have to sell, they set the price they want and we pay it or we don’t.
Just because Ajax are happy to sell for cheaper doesn’t effect our deal required. Buying from other English clubs is always tricky.
Those stats don't surprise me whatsoever, and I agree with your other posts, @Dante .
Also, I really don't get how the narrative of his pace being an issue started. I've seen him a lot for Leicester (& England), and I can't remember him being done by pacy forwards. Leicester and England play high lines, too, so it's not like he's sitting back.
I'm not saying he's Smalling fast, but I really think his "lack of pace/mobility" has been overstated .
Also, I really don't get how the narrative of his pace being an issue started. I've seen him a lot for Leicester (& England), and I can't remember him being done by pacy forwards. Leicester and England play high lines, too, so it's not like he's sitting back.
I'm not saying he's Smalling fast, but I really think his "lack of pace/mobility" has been overstated .
Lindelöf plays with Granqvist in the national team who is far from a pacy defender and they are very solid. I don't think he will be benched. Maguire and Lindelöf would be an excellent CB partnership.
Premier League is a different beast. They will be exposed if played as a duo.
Different beast? They've played against the best in the world.
Lindelöf has been solid with every partner and undoubtedly our best CB last season. Why would we bench him for Maguire?
Because Juventus don’t have the resources. They’re already trying to low ball Ajax for Deligt and the transfer fee that Ajax set is lower than what Leicester has asked for Maguire.
No, Lindelof has earned his spot in the team ahead of the likes of Jones, Smalling, Bailly, Rojo.
No, I don't think we will bench Lindelof for Maguire when Lindelof is at the moment our most trusted and best defender we got. Bailly, Jones, and Smalling are suited as being back up although I prefer to see Tuanzebe get the nod ahead of these 3 guys this season.
Any DOF who took Jones in trade would be the laughing stock of the Premier.
Very good comparison. It's very telling how little our fans know about defensive management when they say things like that. Very limited to all they know or common tandems from the likes of football video games and Sims
If you were insane
This is true & fairplay to, Lindelof because proved me wrong as the the majority of his performances were a big improvement on his previous first season at our club.
Far too much nonsense about pace in this thread. Both Maguire and Lindelof are fast enough. Good defenders aren’t built on pace. It would be an excellent partnership. Centre backs that rely on pace are more often than not shite defenders. Pace is just a bonus.
He's an ideal player to play the highline tbh. His ability on the ball would allow him to step into our midfield and become a extra midfielder if needs be. We have very quick fullbacks and CBs to more than compensate for his lack of pace. He isn't any slower than De Ligt tbf.
You would hope your fullbacks are alert to any balls in behind as well as they have the most pace.
It’s always like that on here. The same happened with Carrick. The rule of thumb is if the cafe does not want a player that the manager is interested in, chances are the player will do well for us.
The fact he can defend properly makes up for his lack of pace.
I quite like the player my only issue with the transfer (if its actually on at all) is the price.
Its far far too high, even in todays market.
I think the insane wages we often give to undeserving players is a way bigger thing to worry about than potentially overpaying with an initial transfer fee.
Fellaini?
I like Zouma too but to say he's better on the ball than Maguire is nonsense.
I don't like the idea of spending so much money on him. I can't see anything special about him and I say this regardless of his nationality.
Agree with this and I've said it before but people will get a shock when he is paired with Jones (If he's fit) or most likely Smalling. I still think Maguire and Smalling would be beastly to be honest. Utterly Dominant in the air, Maguire the ball player and Smalling the pace.
Fellaini was not a flop for us. Yes he was often ridiculed but he was a decent player for us. He saved our skins many times, always have 100% and when a manager used him correctly (Jose) he was actually good. Not the best but certainly not a flop.
To be fair, we have fairly defensive fullbacks with pace. I wouldn't be surprised if Maguire would step up in midfield at times and AWB stays back.
For the fee we paid he was a flop. You don't buy a 30m rated midfielder (which at the time was big money) to play him either as a reserve or pelt him with crosses. We're Manchester United not Burnley.
We're also crying out for a CB who can command the backline and be a leader to all our headless chickens in the middle. I doubt there's a better option than Maguire for what we need, starting to think he's a better choice than Koulibaly - he's also two years younger.
- Good distributor of the ball
- Tall and great aerial ability
- Leader commanding the back four
- Experienced enough to not become another headless chicken (Jones, Rojo, Smalling, Bailly) and helping youngsters Tuanzebe, AWB, Dalot, Shaw, Laird etc.
BBC now reporting that city aren’t prepared to pay the asking price.
Guess £80m should do it then!
Think I just sicked in my mouth a little.....
Guess £80m should do it then!
Think I just sicked in my mouth a little.....
You have link for the thread?
I tried to search, not getting any threads from before 2008.
Earned his place ahead of Smalling when? Aside from when Ole first took over it's been pretty much Smalling plus one. It's very debatable who will start alongside any new central defender. Ole will have his own ideas on the subject and we shall have to wait and see.
Smalling is good to keep in the squad for sure, but he simply isn't good enough on the ball or composed enough to be starting consistently. We will see the same issues at CB if it's Smalling +1.
When was the last time we had a defender with his ball playing?
Ferdinand?
You replied once and said you don't want to have a discussion on it because it will go on forever and then proceed to have a discussion on it and tell me not to respond to you? Then you post again and change it from zouma to de ligt and again ask for no reply. If zouma was that good then why aren't City and United and Chelsea willing to buy him or start him as first choice? Even Everton should be in for him if he's that good. De ligt is available for a very low price for what he brings to a club, marketing and he's also a brilliant defender. I agree with what your saying that everyone has their own preferences and I would say most on here would have de ligt over maguire, it just boils down to who would be the best fit for the club and improve the team.
From a Leicester perspective, so far we have in terms of incomings; James Justin (6m), Ayoze Perez (30ish m), Tielemans looks aboutt 99% done (40m), and apparently we have bid for Mbwana Samatta from Gent (That would be about 12m) and a bid has gone in for a big name striker (Belotti rumoured).
Hard to see someone big value wise not leaving...but God knows with Top (at the wheel)
Tarkowski from Burnley is also rumoured if Harry goes
Hard to see someone big value wise not leaving...but God knows with Top (at the wheel)
Tarkowski from Burnley is also rumoured if Harry goes
Lindelof played more games than Smalling since Ole took over. He was injured for few games and then he was on bench or didn't make the squad in few games.
Lindelof played almost all games except 1 or 2. If we sign Maguire I think he will be paired with Smalling anyways.
Sweden is hardly spoiled with pacey CBs so they have to make due with what they have. United have Smalling who will compliment maguire and who fits nicely in the Brexit FC philosophy
We shouldn't be either. £70m is already a crazy enough bid. They can take it or leave it.
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