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Tah and Konaté are both better defenders and cheaper.
Hmmm debatable they would be much cheaper given the prices other players have left for in Germany. I would guess Konate would be at least £60m-70m and he would be a risk of coming here and being overwhelmed next season.Tah and Konaté are both better defenders and cheaper.
Yeah and also for some odd reason other fans are butthurt about this deal.The caf never changes does it:
"Can't we find better for £x"
Caf: Like who?
a) I don't know I am not a scout
b) Silence
c) The player who rejected us despite us offering bags of cash
Konate is also 20 yo, Tah is 23, they are not going to come in and lead our fragile defenseTah and Konaté are both better defenders and cheaper.
Reading conflicted opinions, why do I get the feeling that Maguire is like a hybrid of Smalling & Lindelof?Don't think so, They're both the same sort of player. Maguire is aggressive and likes to attack the loose ball, so does Smalling.
They need a covering foil who can mop up after them, I think Lindelof is better in that regard.
Against teams like who like long ball then they'll be a great pair, but the more continental teams or people who sit deep then Lindelof/Tuanzebe will be preferred purely for their better football ability.
Shows Harry spending more time eating grass than Nani ever did. If he plays like that against top teams in Europe he's a shoe in for a red card or three.That video just shows him being really slow.
He sort of is?Reading conflicted opinions, why do I get the feeling that Maguire is like a hybrid of Smalling & Lindelof?
Maguire has the shorter distance to run, running with the ball is harder, Maguire was also already at full speed.Sane is among the fastest players in Europe and Maguire does well against him whilst the German is in full flow. I guess you were against the signing of De Ligt who is also slow?
Neither of them are better than what we have so we'd just have another mediocre CB to add to the list.I don't mind us signing Maguire at all, he's an immediate upgrade on Jones and Smalling for a start. However, the fee seems ludicrous we are not talking about a Van Dijk/ Rio type leader at the back with fantastic all round play. I feel we are essentially signing a stopper not unlike what Phil Jones is supposed to be. If we invest such a significant sum on Maguire does it mean we won't have money to invest in midfield which is already down Herrera and Fellaini from last season and an attack that is so tepid that Lingard plays most weeks. Wouldn't spending half the Maguire money on someone like Lewis Dunk or Shane Duffy make more sense?
The caf never changes does it:
"Can't we find better for £x"
Caf: Like who?
a) I don't know I am not a scout
b) Silence
c) The player who rejected us despite us offering bags of cash
I don't mind us signing Maguire at all, he's an immediate upgrade on Jones and Smalling for a start. However, the fee seems ludicrous we are not talking about a Van Dijk/ Rio type leader at the back with fantastic all round play. I feel we are essentially signing a stopper not unlike what Phil Jones is supposed to be. If we invest such a significant sum on Maguire does it mean we won't have money to invest in midfield which is already down Herrera and Fellaini from last season and an attack that is so tepid that Lingard plays most weeks. Wouldn't spending half the Maguire money on someone like Lewis Dunk or Shane Duffy make more sense?
Both got big heads as well.His running and defending style reminds me so much of Phil Jones.
Sure, but nobody presumably thinks Maguire would beat most attackers in Europe in a sprinting contest. He's clearly slow, relatively speaking.Maguire has the shorter distance to run, running with the ball is harder, Maguire was also already at full speed.
Is he slow or is he simply not rapid? Maybe a few posters think if someone isn't fast then they lack pace as if there isn't an inbetweenSure, but nobody presumably thinks Maguire would beat most attackers in Europe in a sprinting contest. He's clearly slow, relatively speaking.
But a slow defender isn't a liability unless he constantly finds himself in situations where he has to rely on sheer speed. All players have weaknesses, it's a question of a) the player himself compensating for his weaknesses and b) the manager setting up in a way which won't expose those weaknesses frequently.
They're not very similar. Maguire is better attacking than defending, Smalling is better defending than attacking. Maguire is slow, Smalling is fastDon't think so, They're both the same sort of player. Maguire is aggressive and likes to attack the loose ball, so does Smalling.
They need a covering foil who can mop up after them, I think Lindelof is better in that regard.
Against teams like who like long ball then they'll be a great pair, but the more continental teams or people who sit deep then Lindelof/Tuanzebe will be preferred purely for their better football ability.
Agreed.I like Maguire, he's a good player, a definite upgrade on what we have and the right sort of age. The fee is indicative of the fact that we have allowed ourselves to negotiate from a position of weakness, i.e. in other words, we are desperate!
Can I also add that when people criticise signings like Dan James and then moan that we don't spot players like Maguire earlier.....well you can't have your cake and eat it can you. I would love us to start taking more gambles on up and coming young players from the Championship. The reality is under SAF we didn't have to do that, we could wait until the likes of Ferdinand and Carrick proved themselves at middle tier clubs before swooping. Now that is incredibly expensive to do
I think there's nothing wrong with being more than a little apprehensive that we're looking to part with £80 million to sign a good solid defender. However that's where the market is and that's where United are in 2019 unfortunately, and increasingly the objections to this deal are looking like negativity for the sake of it when everybody knows the situation is far from perfect.The caf never changes does it:
"Can't we find better for £x"
Caf: Like who?
a) I don't know I am not a scout
b) Silence
c) The player who rejected us despite us offering bags of cash
He might not be "top tier", but no "top tier" defender is signing for us. He's comfortably one of the best in the league, and will improve us instantly.I'm genuinely confused why Ole is so keen on him.
I don't think it's unreasonable that people on here are disappointed with our club's strategy if our grand plan for signing a CB is overpaying by bucket-loads for a defender who I think everyone unanimously agrees isn't top tier.
I'd say he's at least slow-ish. He's got that oil tanker thing going on.Is he slow or is he simply not rapid? Maybe a few posters think if someone isn't fast then they lack pace as if there isn't an inbetween
I'm genuinely confused why Ole is so keen on him.
I don't think it's unreasonable that people on here are disappointed with our club's strategy if our grand plan for signing a CB is overpaying by bucket-loads for a defender who I think everyone unanimously agrees isn't top tier.
Where's the white text?He's expensive, but as safe an option as they come. Could be a win / win if we can ship someone off there (Jones ??) as part of the deal, although there's a risk that Brendan Rodgers would somehow contrive to make him injury free and look world class.......
I agree that he'd improve us, but I also get why people are concerned about the fee.Agreed, if he makes us better then who cares about the fee?
Not as bad as signing Fredge for £50m... So could be worse. Then again, we could have signed Schar for a fraction of the price.
And there are a number of players in Serie A, Ligue 1, etc that would suit a high pressing team better than Maguire who got the mobility of a tombstone.
Still not as bad as Fred, so there is that. I hope.
It's hardly ridiculous to suggest Tuanzebe is not going to make it as a United player. We're talking about a guy who lingered in the reserves for a number of years, before being loaned out to a Championship club where his performances were less than impressive.The history of players making breakthroughs show that this is a ridiculous statement.He's not even 24 yet.
You underrate him massively, Maguire is a good defender.They're not very similar. Maguire is better attacking than defending, Smalling is better defending than attacking. Maguire is slow, Smalling is fast
I'd say there are just as many who've come from the smaller PL teams who've failed too, though. For every Laporte there's an Otamendi . For every VVD there's a John Stones! Lovren looked really good for Southampton but he's always been a bit shit for Pool.
That's a fair point, but could it also be argued that those attainable, cheaper CBs from Italy and France could be chewed up and spat out in the PL/struggle to adjust to England etc.?
Is he? what constitutes as being one of the best? Top 10? Because you could easily argue that there are 10 CBS in the league that are better then him...He might not be "top tier", but no "top tier" defender is signing for us. He's comfortably one of the best in the league, and will improve us instantly.
I think the bolded ones are a stretch! And I don't think any of the "arguable" ones are actually arguable. He's comfortably top 10 for me but probably not top 5, however I do think he's the best outside of the top four which basically makes him the best attainable one (apart from Toby, god knows why we're not going for him).Is he? what constitutes as being one of the best? Top 10? Because you could easily argue that there are 10 CBS in the league that are better then him...
VVD
Gomez
Laporte
Otamendi
Rudiger
Verthongen
Alderwiereld
Sanchez
Linedlof (arguable)
Matip (arguable)
Luiz (arguable)
Stones (arguable)
You'd probably find people who would also argue that people like Boly, Diop, Will Keane, Sakho etc. are just as good.
Is he? what constitutes as being one of the best? Top 10? Because you could easily argue that there are 10 CBS in the league that are better then him...
VVD
Gomez
Laporte
Otamendi
Rudiger
Verthongen
Alderwiereld
Sanchez
Linedlof (arguable)
Matip (arguable)
Luiz (arguable)
Stones (arguable)
You'd probably find people who would also argue that people like Boly, Diop, Will Keane, Sakho etc. are just as good.
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