Yeah ok whatever you like. Not really interested in entering the same Poch vs Ole discussion again. Let me guess your argument will be he didn't win anything before ?Poch is not a better coach than Ole.
Yeah ok whatever you like. Not really interested in entering the same Poch vs Ole discussion again. Let me guess your argument will be he didn't win anything before ?Poch is not a better coach than Ole.
The rest of the footballing world would disagree with you.Poch is not a better coach than Ole.
Absurd. 15+ teams in the PL would chop their hands off to get Pochettino as their coach, none other than United would hire Solskjær. Another team tried and failed badly. Ask the fans as well, would for example a Spurs-fan take Solskjær over Pochettino even after sacking the latter? Highly doubt it.Poch is not a better coach than Ole.
Something like: Sancho £120m, Grealish £60m, Partey £45m, Jimenez £75m.I don't know. I'm asking you what you value them at. You gave the estimate
I think you've over egged it with Jimenez given his age but I'll have the rest of them. That said we don't need a CF imo.Something like: Sancho £120m, Grealish £60m, Partey £45m, Jimenez £75m.
Poch was a promising young coach and may well have a decent future. He had a terrible run at Spurs which should not happen to a top coach, not from the position they were in. He deserves another chance but not here.Oh come on.. please
A lot of comments discount this, but desire is crucial. Fergie Time worked for us because our players gave whatever they had left in the tank just as the opposition was looking ahead to a Lucazade. That desire, coupled with growing into their primes together, will make for a great squad in a few years.Ive been saying this all season though. The most important thing is attitude and desire, first, quality second. Liverpool have proved that this season. Look at Robertson, Gomez, Henderson, Keita, Firminho, Milner, Wijnaldum, Matip etc...are they world beaters? Absolutely not. Salah and Mane are great players but it’s their attitude, work rate and desire that really elevated them from “talented” to “world class”.
Solskjaer knows this and identified straight away three categories of player;
1. Good enough, committed enough
2. Not good enough, committed enough
3. Not committed enough
The players in category three went first. Yes, that’s meant we have a few “category two’s” playing more often than they should - but at least their attitude is right.
Since joining, Ole has signed three “category 1s”. If he does that every 12-18months we will win a major trophy within 3/4 seasons.
I'd say it was our 2nd priority, behind a RW. If Rashford is our main back up striker, then we are losing our only effective LW.I think you've over egged it with Jimenez given his age but I'll have the rest of them. That said we don't need a CF imo.
I don't think we need one to be successful next season. If we get Sancho and Grealish I think we'll have enough goals. I'd also keep Pogba though tbh.I'd say it was our 2nd priority, behind a RW. If Rashford is our main back up striker, then we are losing our only effective LW.
You state this with such confidence. Yet one is employed and one is unemployed.Absurd. 15+ teams in the PL would chop their hands off to get Pochettino as their coach, none other than United would hire Solskjær. Another team tried and failed badly. Ask the fans as well, would for example a Spurs-fan take Solskjær over Pochettino even after sacking the latter? Highly doubt it.
Don't play silly.You state this with such confidence. Yet one is employed and one is unemployed.
Nar, be optimistic by all means. I'm not negative about the signings we've made since the Summer, I'm very optimistic about them. I even made the thread "Now that's what I call a January window". If anything, I turn more negative on here in reaction to some of the nutjob mentalist posts claiming "Poch isn't a better manager than Ole" or that "Klopp also struggled at first", I just have to shoot this kind of bollocks down; we can be positive about the future without having to result to down right delusion and lies.Much better to continue to be negative about everything. Like the rest of the forum.
I think you should join a reddit general football forum and post this, see how it goes down.Poch is not a better coach than Ole.
Aye, bang on the money.The focus needs to be adding goal threat in the summer. Lack of options in attacking areas has held us back all season. We can definitely make finishing top 4 next season a lot easier with the right transfers, a title challenge is too optimistic though.
The problem is there are plenty of other teams who can also say 'we're only 2/3 quality signings away', I don't think we're unique.
I'd be remiss for not quoting this for posterity. My response:Poch is not a better coach than Ole.
Next....We’re potentially 3 good signings away from some sort of a title challenge, there’s nothing RAWK about that. Nobody is saying next year is our year now are they.
Yes I know. Loads of people think Poch is the nuts.Absurd. 15+ teams in the PL would chop their hands off to get Pochettino as their coach, none other than United would hire Solskjær. Another team tried and failed badly. Ask the fans as well, would for example a Spurs-fan take Solskjær over Pochettino even after sacking the latter? Highly doubt it.
And City are closer to 13th than 1st.We're closer to 20th than 1st
So. We're actually not that far away you're right
Suitably contriteSorry Colin
They dont brag about being closer to it dont they?And City are closer to 13th than 1st.
they probably wouldn’t admit that Fergie was better than Poch, never mind Ole. Poch: the idol of the trendy “know nowt” fan. Reddit: Hardly the standard reference point. Other fans are not renowned for praising anything United related, unless it is related to a defeat or red card.I think you should join a reddit general football forum and post this, see how it goes down.
Please post the link here afterwards and let me grab the popcorn.
I'm assuming that's just our league record, right? I can recall two victories post Fergie against them at home anyway. The 4-2 in the league, and a 1-0 in the league cup in José's first season. Still really poor regardless.One thing we need to sort out ASAP is our dismal home record against City. 1 win in 9 years.
So you think this season has negated everything Poch did previously?Yes I know. Loads of people think Poch is the nuts.
It’s a fun image - all these fools chopping off their hands to get Poch. The thing is they spent a few months saying how good Poch was and when it turned out he wasn’t quite so great it’s just too late for them to reconsider their opinion and they simply must chop off their hands.
That's some logicYou state this with such confidence. Yet one is employed and one is unemployed.
Because he can't win against bigger sides.Yeah ok whatever you like. Not really interested in entering the same Poch vs Ole discussion again. Let me guess your argument will be he didn't win anything before ?
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Good to see that Scouse **** bottom of the upside down league. We're still bottle neck mid so progress is...
PTS Team 79 Liverpool 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 City 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 Leicester 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 Manchester United / Wolves 41 40 Tottenham / Sheffield 39 38 Burnley 37 Arsenal / Everton 36 Crystal Palace 35 34 Southamton 33 32 Newcastle 31 30 29 28 Brighton Hoove 27 Westham/watford/Bournemouth 26 25 Aston Vila 24 23 22 21 Norwich 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Look much worse if I cut the 1-20 pts down bellowGood to see that Scouse **** bottom of the upside down league. We're still bottle neck mid so progress is...
I don't think anyone will expect us to win the title next season. But Leicester won the title a season after nearly getting relegated. Was it Mahrez and Kante who made the difference?
PTS Team 79 Liverpool 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 City 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 Leicester 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 Manchester United / Wolves 41 40 Tottenham / Sheffield 39 38 Burnley 37 Arsenal / Everton 36 Crystal Palace 35 34 Southamton 33 32 Newcastle 31 30 29 28 Brighton Hoove 27 Westham/watford/Bournemouth 26 25 Aston Vila 24 23 22 21 Norwich 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
So yeah, if we're aspiring about winning the title with the assumption we need around 86pts then we're quite far
Off course. Anything is possible. You can be optimistic. But leicester never claimed that they're not actually that far off "the year before"I don't think anyone will expect us to win the title next season. But Leicester won the title a season after nearly getting relegated. Was it Mahrez and Kante who made the difference?
What is this and where did Chelsea go?
PTS Team 79 Liverpool 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 City 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 Leicester 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 Manchester United / Wolves 41 40 Tottenham / Sheffield 39 38 Burnley 37 Arsenal / Everton 36 Crystal Palace 35 34 Southamton 33 32 Newcastle 31 30 29 28 Brighton Hoove 27 Westham/watford/Bournemouth 26 25 Aston Vila 24 23 22 21 Norwich 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
So yeah, if we're aspiring about winning the title with the assumption we need around 86pts then we're quite far
Opss.. I missed Chelsea on 45 pts.What is this and where did Chelsea go?