I always think this isn’t the best measure to use. For years coaches like Mark Hughes and Sam Allardyce would regularly pick up wins over Fergie, Mourinho, Wenger and Benítez and would qualify for Europe with tin pot clubs like Blackburn and Bolton and nobody batted an eyelid. Not sure why Ole should get credit as manager of Manchester United if he does the same only to be in 7th place and getting turned over by the Likes of Bournemouth and Watford.
Honestly, we are not that far away...
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Thnx for pointing out my stupid typo.
Aargh no biggie man. Always happens to me when I am multitasking especially
For anybody suggesting that Ole and Poch are on the same level, I'd advise that they be sectioned, for their own safety.
I actually don't rate Poch too highly, mainly because he has never won a trophy, but Ole is the worst manager in the EPL (which Poch is not). Even when you focus on sentiment: many club supporters would swap their manager for Poch, but no supporter would be dumb enough to swap their manager for Ole.
That's about the only coach in the EPL who Ole is better than.
Take your own advice my man.For anybody suggesting that Ole and Poch are on the same level, I'd advise that they be sectioned, for their own safety.
I actually don't rate Poch too highly, mainly because he has never won a trophy, but Ole is the worst manager in the EPL (which Poch is not). Even when you focus on sentiment: many club supporters would swap their manager for Poch, but no supporter would be dumb enough to swap their manager for Ole.
Not in SAF’s case.
Played a team managed by Allardyce 20 times. Only lost twice.
Played a team managed by Hughes 15 times. Only lost twice.
Now you’ve been a bit naughty there. Cutting my quote, what about the other managers I mentioned?? Anyway another one is McLaren, he must have beaten Fergie about four times and even turned over Mourinho 3-0.Not in SAF’s case.
Played a team managed by Allardyce 20 times. Only lost twice.
Played a team managed by Hughes 15 times. Only lost twice.
That’s why I said ‘in SAF’s case’ - I wasn’t trying to dispute your point entirely.
Because normally managers from top clubs have a good CV dating back years so clubs can actually see what they've achieved. Looking at Oles CV in this moment in time wouldn't put him the shop window. Ole seems to be the sort of manager who if you throw a bucket load of money at him he might, just might get a tune out of a team but there will come a point where his complete inexperience at managing at the top level will be exposed especially at lower clubs who don't have the financial clout that we do. I really can't see any club in the top flight that would be willing to take that risk.
On Poch. Do you really think he's sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring? His future has been sorted months ago and for me personally if his future is at United then I can only say that thank feck Woodward is finally starting to get his act together.
I do understand Ole is not the most popular person as a manager here and to be fair even I don't think he should stay beyond the summer (unless he dramatically takes us to top 4 or win Europa) but how do people come to this conclusion. How do we know he is the worst manager or say other managers bar Klopp, Pep could do any better managing us. Surely if he was that bad like some say we would have been in bottom 10 and he would have been sacked. Ole surely has to learn a lot and is definitely not a better manager than Poch but to say eh is the worst manager managing in PL is just absurd assumption.For anybody suggesting that Ole and Poch are on the same level, I'd advise that they be sectioned, for their own safety.
I actually don't rate Poch too highly, mainly because he has never won a trophy, but Ole is the worst manager in the EPL (which Poch is not). Even when you focus on sentiment: many club supporters would swap their manager for Poch, but no supporter would be dumb enough to swap their manager for Ole.
Well Big Sam he did get the England job!.....but he got pi**ed and messed it up
The origin of this thread seems have been forgotten. Getting us into the top 10 with this young a squad would likely factor into many team’s thinking. He was successful in Norway. Cardiff was hopeless from the start. I could see clubs come knocking. You couldn’t. That’s cool, we’re just guessing.
Regarding Poch, again, I was responding to hyperbolic nonsense. His future may well be sorted. But if clubs would chew off their own arms or whatever the original poster said Poch would be signed already. Everyone is waiting for summer to avoid paying the fee. That is all.
I thought the first 30-40 mins against City this December was one of the best footballs we played against a top team. It wasn't hoofing the ball up or just sitting back and hoping for the best. We literally could have been 3 or 4 nil up. He does seem to know how to get better of managers who let their team play aggressive football. The issue is when teams just sit back but even that with the addition of Fernandes we seem to do reasonably well. SO one wonders maybe had Pogba not gone injured or had we signed Bruno earlier we might have got more points.
Agreed. And we've had that problem against deep defences for ages, whilst also not being able to play out from the back. We seem to be gradually sorting both problems out.
Yes, that’s PL. Since Rooney’s famous overhead kick 9 years ago we’ve beaten them once in the PL at home, that 4-2 you mention under LVG. During that same period they have won 6 times at Old Trafford in the Premier League, 7 times overall. It’s a truly horrendous record when you consider we’re basically 50/50 with that at the Etihad in that period.
Agree with this, we aren't challenging for the title next year but we should achieve top 3 and build from there. The 2018 summer really decked up our team progression because it is then we should have added a CB and a RW then. Now it's almost too much to do in one go whilst other fissures are opening up in the first team that need to be addressed.
I understand your cautious approach but the main issue with the last few years' building work was that the majority of the signings were utter wastes of money. LVG spent around £200m and how many of his signings survived here? Shaw and Rojo?
At least with Ole it seems he is going to have around 75% hit rate with his first four signings not the previous farce where we would be spending money to replace a player we signed the previous season.
The big question is whilst we have seemingly sorted the recruitment fiasco is our manager actually good enough for the level we aspire to be competing at?
Summer window, build for Strikers, and wingers, I think we only go for a defender if a special one comes available! We seem to be ok in that part for now. If we get Grealish, Sancho, and a top Striker, it will be a great window, Sancho is the one who could be the most difficult to get. I'd guess there's a few going as well.
We are about 6 signings from been a top club again. RB, CB, CM, DM, AMR, CF. We have some decent squad options below.
Lets not fool ourselves and think one or two signings will fix the issues.
The Below should be squad Players:
AWB - Not good enough at attacking. Pep or Klopp would never have signing him.
VL - Not good enough to be starting.
Scott - Decent but far from world class.
Matic - Squad Player
Martial - Too inconsistent and terrible attitude.
James - Young and playing out of posistion.
Greenwood - Exciting player but not good enough to be starting at this moment except for cup games and coming on a sub.
Players who should leave:
Andreas
JLINGZ
Mata
Sanchez
Rojo
Jones
Smalling.
Lets not fool ourselves and think one or two signings will fix the issues.
The Below should be squad Players:
AWB - Not good enough at attacking. Pep or Klopp would never have signing him.
VL - Not good enough to be starting.
Scott - Decent but far from world class.
Matic - Squad Player
Martial - Too inconsistent and terrible attitude.
James - Young and playing out of posistion.
Greenwood - Exciting player but not good enough to be starting at this moment except for cup games and coming on a sub.
Players who should leave:
Andreas
JLINGZ
Mata
Sanchez
Rojo
Jones
Smalling.
Personally I think we should keep pogba and im assuming we will get 3 signings.
I think we should get a defender, a midfielder and a striker.
I think we should get a defender, a midfielder and a striker.
No they wouldn't. Not City, Not Leicester, Not Wolves, Not Liverpool, Not Sheffield United, Not Everton and apparently not United. Not sure Burnley would either.
I think halfway through typing that post you realised he was right and decided to throw in Sheffield and Burnley just cos
We are Pochettino or Nagelsman away from becoming the best club in England and Europe again. It is strange that we are struggling the way we are with the amount we have spent.
Even if we keep Ole and continue to outspend our rivals, that should at least get us into top four positions and a few fa, Europa league and/or carabao cup. So things are not that bleak as long as Woodward and the glazers continue to support our manager. However, if we want to get to the next level, we will need a top manager like Nagelsman or Pochettino
Even if we keep Ole and continue to outspend our rivals, that should at least get us into top four positions and a few fa, Europa league and/or carabao cup. So things are not that bleak as long as Woodward and the glazers continue to support our manager. However, if we want to get to the next level, we will need a top manager like Nagelsman or Pochettino
We can buy all the best players in the world and we probably still won't be able to win the premier league next season. We need cohesion, spirit, belief, and a positive atmosphere. It takes time to build a winning team.
I do think we are on the right path but its going to take a few years to get back to the top.
I do think we are on the right path but its going to take a few years to get back to the top.
I don’t think he’s (AWB) half as bad going forward as some would have you believe, he’s put plenty of good crosses in the box, just no ones ever there to go for them.
Scott Mc is getting better and better, don’t think he could do anymore since coming into the team.
Martial can look lazy at times but still a quality player, don’t forget, half his games have been with Lingard, Pererria or Mata feeding him chances.
Wouldn’t mind Smalling staying if we got rid of Jones and Rojo.
Agree with you, it would help if he had a RW to link up with too. Seen some good inter-play between him and Bruno though who roams there from time to time.
For me Poch should really be at Barcelona, it makes no sense that he didn't go there or doesn't end up at Madrid. He's massively overhyped here. I think that is reflected in the fact that Barca, Juve and Real are all struggling and there's no mention of him going to any of those clubs.
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that can only mean that chelsea have been almost as crap as us this season yet you almost don't hear a squeak in the media about it, i don't think lampard's job is under any threat either as i have mostly only read praise for him online.
I don't we're too off completing the build.
Pogba to remain would be a massive boost once they both return to full fitness which changes the dynamics of the team to a whole new level. An addition of a right-winger, and possibly replace Lindelof and we'd be amongst the best teams in the Premiership and Europe.
Pogba to remain would be a massive boost once they both return to full fitness which changes the dynamics of the team to a whole new level. An addition of a right-winger, and possibly replace Lindelof and we'd be amongst the best teams in the Premiership and Europe.
I really don't see it as I think you've been regressing and closer to become like Arsenal but I guess a lot can change in football from one season to other. So who knows everything should be possible for a club with a lot of resources.
Leicester are a simple demonstration that things can just click all of a sudden, we don’t have to finish 3rd and 2nd before we can win it. And besides, nobody is saying we’re going to win the league next season anyway, you just don’t like anything that resembles positivity.
collectively agreeing on some internet prediction that is yet to come true isn't positivity.
But hey, if it makes you feel any better.
It is difficult to really judge our current squad without competent coaching stuff in place.
In theory I agree that if Pogba stayed and Sancho came in we would have a good first 11 and a bit of depth but it is still a long way.
In theory I agree that if Pogba stayed and Sancho came in we would have a good first 11 and a bit of depth but it is still a long way.
If all players fully fit then I'd go with the option below. It provides balance at the back with McT/Fred and Matic shielding the defence and enough goal threat to be a match for any team in the Premiership. Top 3 would be within grasp. Against lesser opposition, we can introduce a more attacking team with possibly Mata or James on the right by sacrificing one of Fred/Matic/Mctominay.
De Gea
Lindelof Maguire
AWB McTominay/Fred Matic Shaw
Bruno Pogba
Rashford
Martial
De Gea
Lindelof Maguire
AWB McTominay/Fred Matic Shaw
Bruno Pogba
Rashford
Martial
That is a bit of a cop out. Mostly it’s obvious which players are substandard - e.g. Who’s better Lingard or Bruno? Might just as well say it’s difficult to judge our coaching staff without competent players in the squad.
Also do you really think Pogba will stay? Has to be 10-1 he leaves at this point. If him and his agent can’t dispel the rumours he surely is in the Lukaku bracket and we’ll even cut our losses on him just to get him out of the place.
We do need a RW. I need to see more of Sancho (must check YouTube). But there’s a few more areas where we need depth. CF DM and CB. Having said that, when we get Rashford back the attack starts to look pretty strong with Bruno pulling the strings.
We’ll know how far away we are when we get Poch in the summer. It’s hard to tell under Ole when our one & only tactic is hope the opposition make a mistake. We’ve got some good players, we’ve got some bad players, let’s see how we do business in the summer & reevaluate when we have a real coach in charge.
I really want Pogba off, but also really have high hopes seeing Bruno and Pogba in the same midfield
Well that's clearly wrong, no?
I don't think you've been watching United close of late if you think United's tactics are dependent on the opposition making errors. I've been watching some fantastic football from the team. Your possible lack of assessment for Ole might be an issue when watching games.
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We have better spells in patches but I wouldn't exactly call it fantastic football on the whole though all of this is admittedly subjective. When it comes to progress, since Bruno joined it feels like our high points are now higher but our low points are still just as low and frequent giving the illusion of improvement. I still expect an uninspired performance every other game and the lads haven't disappointed, unfortunately