I don't care about the book but the show made a point of showing why Viserys does not want to do any harm to his daughter now. He took a long time for him to come to terms with killing his wife for a son. His own loss and guilt of also depriving his daughter of her mother is something he is unable to deal with. In a sense he is shown to be too "nice" to be a king. So clearly a wrong choice in some way.
She did not but she's clearly fine with it based on last episode no?
Not sure how you got that from what he said.
Sarcasm doesn't come across well on the caf I forgot.
That's a lop sided view of things. Otto's motives have been no different to so many others people in power who have been trying to jockey for getting their offspring a shot at the throne. Essentially his version of plan was to have the king name the son his daughter bears to be the heir as everyone expected. In that case, it would have been the same exact plan Sea Snake king was planning. Once that was not done, I don't think it is too wayward to believe that any potential challengers to the throne would be targeted if and when Rhaenerya's reign's legitimacy is questioned. Even Cersie/Tywin had all of Robert's bastards targeted and Alicent's children carry that family name. So turning her children against their siblings is no doubt a dick move but potentially they are ones who will be without power if the succession goes accordingly to the plan. Overall she is turning full to the dark side but the show has done well to showcase the way she got there.
She and Daemon plotted to have some innocent fall guy murdered so that Laenor could fake his death and flee with Qarl to Pentos.
Yeah. I think they should have focused on that more.
There's been a couple comments like this, where has this book talk occurred?
She and Daemon did do that, yes. I personally don't think it's the worse than the stuff alicent has pulled mind, but yes that's an awful thing to do.
King Viserys is one lucky bastard.
Thanks but your Alicent is still a bitch.
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What book spoilers had I revealed exactly? Please be specific
Let's not. You haven't revealed any direct spoilers but let's just leave every comment regarding the books out of this thread even stuff like your vague references please and just refer to the show itself. There is a book thread where you can discuss that stuff.
I don't think Alicent not turning Larus in (when that act could very well just endanger her and her kids for no benefit) is worse than actively plotting the murder of an innocent so Rhaenyra can marry her uncle.
King Viserys is one lucky bastard.
Thanks but your Alicent is still a bitch.
I only said that the show seems too pro Rhaenyra for my taste as opposed to GRRM's who seemed to take a more neutral stance. That's all.Let's not. You haven't revealed any direct spoilers but let's just leave every comment regarding the books out of this thread even stuff like your vague references please and just refer to the show itself. There is a book thread where you can discuss that stuff.
I don't think Alicent not turning Larus in (when that act could very well just endanger her and her kids for no benefit) is worse than actively plotting the murder of an innocent so Rhaenyra can marry her uncle.
I still like her the best!
It's even worse trying to edit a screen capture video about it. Have to be using memory/dialogue and then editing the video to brighten up a bit.
I think even more so than that you have to be from a dragon lord family, and the Targaryens are the only dragon lords left. Laenor and Laena had dragons because of their Targaryen blood rather than because they're Valyrian
The quoted part is where I think you should stop because if any that read the books happen to disagree with the other part, then that leads to another post on the books and so on. Better to just leave it at the first part and just not comment on the books in here.
People have been saying that kind of thing too much, it's hard to distinguish
Not sure what she said last episode but in Episode 6 she said something about losing an eye when Aemond was complaining to Alicent about not having a dragon.
To be fair, it’s been a while since they posted specific book details.
So far from what we've seen the active queen has more power (she did order Rhaenyra around). You probably wouldn't want to mess with an heir to the throne in general, especially with the king being in such poor health, but the Queen doesn't seem to care much as she's fecked if he dies either way (unless she manages to replace Raenyra as heir before king's death).
More male arses so far in most of the sex scenes.
Yes - dragons are selective with who they allow to ride them. There are myriad examples of things going very badly for non-Valyrians who approach dragons.
What I came here for... Wtf was going on there?
This is correct.
Oh feck I forgot about him. I was thinking how nice she was for letting her hubby fake his one death
You realise it's not a documentary. It's a fictional show and they can direct it however they like.
They (all) pretended he was dead so she (Rhaenyra) could remarry, and they (the husband and his lover) could go live together over the narrow seas.
You need to watch the whole scene between Daemon and Rhaenyra again, they literally describe what they needed to do. And also the scene where Daemon pays the knight and asks him to "take a life... with witneses".
Some shows are not that forgiving when you half watch/ half look at your phone.
I guess they think Damo killed him to let an assassin in? I don’t know.
Cheers, tbf I was pretty high...
He's a tragic figure, for sure. The only time he actually made a tough decision on the spot, he lost a wife and a child, and his daughter lost her mother. This alone can destroy any person. But Viserys also brought this upon himself. He saw the cheese, but not the trap in Otto's scheme. He didn't have to remarry, he could have kept Rhaenyra close to him and groom her for the role by allowing the people of Westeros to get used to her as their future queen. "Remarry to strengthen the Targaryen line", the council said. He tried to play all the angles, and now, if he chooses to follow tradition, he'll basically hand the Hightowers a clean victory over pure Targaryen blood (Rhaenyra after his decision to make her his heir). Which would make the Hightowers not just the second House in Westeros, but also bring them as close to the Targaryens as they can get. The problem is that Rhaenyra's sons aren't pure Targaryen blood. The scenes with the dragons, knowing their significance in Westeros and their connection to the Targaryen family, and which child can ride one and which can't are very important for the bigger picture. Viserys wasn't weak in the last episode. Alicent had every right to be mad, but, in the context of this power struggle, she was also pushing for a clear advantage. Something that Viserys couldn't give her. Nevertheless, Otto was happy for obvious reasons.
