The problem is that he’s not a manager who would have been comfortable with just top 4.He would have tried his best to compete for the league and had we not competed for the title,he would have self destructed....
If Mourinho's authority and ideology were given more backing, would we be challenging?
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yes but in the context, harder league, years after madrid, not near the same squad & no realistic chance of getting squad to that level
I actually think that at in current dire position (bottom half of the table, terrible squad, no tactics, no direction, relegation fight, etc), Jose would be the man to steady the ship.
But, that ship has sailed and we need to look forward...not backward.
Woodward needs to be fired.
But, that ship has sailed and we need to look forward...not backward.
Woodward needs to be fired.
Ultimately Mourinho wasnt the right person and im not sure he could have succeeded. The media and large parts of the fan base really didnt like him from the start, and that makes things tricky. Hence 2nd place, fa cup final and topping our champions league group that year was deemed a poor season by so many.
Very different standards now.
He helped create a toxic atmosphere in the last 3 months but the seeds had been sown. Every time he didnt start at least 15 players, the ones left out were being thrown under the bus, every comment he made had hidden digs at people etc etc, the whole thing was toxic.
Very different standards now.
He helped create a toxic atmosphere in the last 3 months but the seeds had been sown. Every time he didnt start at least 15 players, the ones left out were being thrown under the bus, every comment he made had hidden digs at people etc etc, the whole thing was toxic.
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Many of you have short memories of the toxic environment he created last season at United. He's currently all smiles and charming on TV, but he was a cancerous presence at the club and had to be removed.
End of.
End of.
So you are a Woodward fanboy then?
And I’m sure he was promised he’d be backed to the hilt by Woodward when he joined.
The players we signed this summer suits JMs approach to winning games almost perfectly.
He's a Mourinho fanboy, his world is black and white. The problem was either Woodward or Mourinho - therefore if you believe Mourinho was culpable, it means you're on Woodward's side.How the feck did you come up with that?
It's stupid but not very surprising from this thread.
Those are the words of a Glazer lover.
The Jose fanboys have erased this from their memory.
I see. Jose created a cult of personality wherever he went, so I'm not surprised there's lemmings still following him here too.
Mournho created his toxic atmosphere in reaction to Woodward’s lack of support: transfers and verbal. Have you already forgotten how he undermined Mourinho with his press briefings?How the feck did you come up with that?
You conveniently blame Mourinho for the toxicity when he was just reacting to how his boss was treating him.
So you are implicitly endorsing Woodward’s approach.
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There was a “toxic” environment around the club in every period since SAF.
Under Moyes it was arguably the worst, leaks left right and center.
All Mourinho did differently was throw a couple of our overpaid underperforming players under the bus.
What makes the current environment less toxic? We’re utter shite, leaks about the payers not being confident in the coaching staff, results are horrific, Ole looks like he aged a decade.
Doesn’t look great to me.
Yeah, Mourinho would never create toxic environments of his own initiative. It's just not what he's known for, he's all sweetness.
Nope. I support Manchester United. In my opinion, Mourinho was good for our club, and was making forward progress. By sacking him, we’ve gone backward by at least 3 years.
The current atmosphere is better how exactly????? Worth the swap?
This is Mourinho soon after getting his contract renewal and deciding to torpedo the club so he could get his 19 million quid payoff.
I've covered this in previous posts.
He made an unfortunate error in language when he used the term 'heritage', when he meant to explain 'residual equity' or foundational strength of squad'.
Yes, he made a mistake with the tactics but his players should still be winning that game. It happens. We were never serious challengers so it wasn't a big deal for me.
I don't think the atmosphere seems toxic at all, not at player level anyway.
Results aren't good sure - and he's rightly being criticised for that. Mourinho deserved the sack also.
A man like him will never be happy unless he is the CEO himself, perhaps he should make a real Mourinho FC?
You need to watch the video, that was not the 'eritage' speech. The 'eritage' speech didn't come cold after a defeat or in the spur of the moment; it was a well rehearsed speech from the Toxic One.
"One day when I leave, the next Manchester United manager will find here Lukaku, Matic... PAUSE... of course De Gea from many years ago.... they will find players with a different mentality, with a different quality, background, status, know how"
Jose Mourinho
That's Mourinho's legacy on Man Utd after spending close to a Billion dollars, Lukaku and Matic.
Jose Mourinho
That's Mourinho's legacy on Man Utd after spending close to a Billion dollars, Lukaku and Matic.
Ahh yes, he’s perpetually misunderstood. Let’s just ignore that Jose never takes any responsibility for poor play or results. He just blames the referees the players or anything else but himself.
Had he stayed on half the team would tune him out which would be just as bad. It’s like none of you paid attention to his last year during his second stint at Chelsea.
Had he stayed on half the team would tune him out which would be just as bad. It’s like none of you paid attention to his last year during his second stint at Chelsea.
the bigger picture is for you to be able to see that just because we had the 2nd best defensive record doesn’t mean that it doesn’t need improvements.
you are basically arguing my point for me. De Gea playing one of his best seasons to help us gain those critical points. Which means he needed better defense in front of him. The fact that Jose was able to structure us in a way to play with this set of player and come in second is a great feat.
why do you keep saying that?
2nd was progress for where we have been! We have to make progress before we can challenge. Beating every team is no small feat for how we’ve been post SAF. I hate to tell you this but you will be disappointed with every manager from here on out and I should argue that with your mind set, none of our managers past and present deserve any credit.
Or that de Gea carried Mourinho.
maybe it was Jose who DeGea was playing out of his skin for. You should ask degea to carry Ole. Maybe then, De Gea can carry Ole to a 2nd place finish?
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Stop parroting coming second as some huge success. He got dicked in all the cups by inferior opposition (Bristol City, Sevilla and then Chelsea) and our league campaign was over in November. The football was tumescent throughout.
His first season was actually somewhat enjoyable, you could see what he was trying to do - but the wheels of that project started to come off with Zlatan's injury.
And why did he regress from second to 19 points behind league leaders Liverpool when he was sacked?
Because he didn't get his transfers?
Didn't stop Pochettino from getting Top4 and CL final despite ZERO incoming transfers.
The table doesn’t lie. Man Utd came second not De Gea. De Gea helped and did his part in his specialist position. So regardless of how you personally feel about mourinho, you cant argue with second place with a points tally that would have won the prem in several previous seasons. This was achieved with what everyone is now saying is a crap squad who are no where near good enough to challenge. De Gea was in good form so surely as a manager who is supposed to get the best out of his players you have to credit mourinho for getting the best out of him?
I am not a mourinho faan boy but i recognise an achievement for what it is
i’m not parroting it as a great achievement. However, considering where we are now with more or less same squad, maybe it was a great achievement.
In Jose’s words, it was his greatest achievement. In my word, it was progress that we needed badly as a club post SAF.
You can call it regress or whatever you want, that part of the season wasn’t something we can measure how competent Jose is/was. It was him throwing in the towel and letting things go without getting the backing he needed from up above with regards to squad reinforcements and player power. I’m not saying it’s not his fault for where we were by that point or whether Jose deserved the sacking by that point but that wasn’t a reflection of his abilities. Simply a reflection of him exposing the guys above him and the cowards in the squad to the rest of the world. Some of us see it and the world is starting to see what and why he did it. Some of you Jose haters will never look beyond Jose and continue to miss the bigger picture.
There is no way on earth that Mourinho's United would be languishing 2 points above relegation. Even Moyes and LVG would be doing better than this. But the problem now is that after making a series of ill-advised sackings, United's progress is now faltering.
It’s this thread redundant?
Think about it, if any manager in the world was given complete backing, all the funds they wanted and all the players they wanted at whim wouldn’t they be successful regardless of who was in charge?
Managers encounter problems when players stop trying, the fans stop enjoying the football or results start to slide.
If those issues didn’t exist they would be successful regardless of who they were.
Think about it, if any manager in the world was given complete backing, all the funds they wanted and all the players they wanted at whim wouldn’t they be successful regardless of who was in charge?
Managers encounter problems when players stop trying, the fans stop enjoying the football or results start to slide.
If those issues didn’t exist they would be successful regardless of who they were.
Thats not even the best part, he had worshipers among United fans even before he became a United manager. Amadeus is a baby compared to them.
Holy shitShould change the title to "If Solskjaer's authority and ideology are given more backing, will we challenge the title?" Mourinho is sacked for almost a year.
So Mourinho only threw his toys out of the pram because the board rightly refused to sanction his wildly ineffective transfer market spending spree for a third summer running?
Well that makes it okay then.
if our board properly backed a manager wed be in a better position than now fact