Sabotaged our season and his career in one fell swoop. No need arguing with his supporters. Just pop a bottle of wine each day he remains unemployed for taking his employment for granted. He just thought he could continue hitting the reset button at every club and have another one lined up. The ungrateful child
If Mourinho's authority and ideology were given more backing, would we be challenging?
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You mean there’s not a reason to? after him getting partially backed and still finished 2nd to an 81 point season and not getting backed the following summer to improve on the squad?
Ed sabotaged our season.
How the man still has members of our fanbase supporting him is beyond me.
not true. You still need a good manager to win things. Especially in a league like ours. Money buys success with successful managers in a tough league.
Just because things didn’t end well here, doesn’t mean you can’t be objective about your support for someone. Just because you hate him doesn’t mean that you can’t be objective about analyzing the things that actually happened.
It is fans that only see things as black or white that either lumped everything into the hate or nothing else.
Glad we agree.
Mourinho's success rate in the transfer market was frankly dreadful. He spent an absolute fortune in his first two summers, second only to City in terms of outlay in Europe, and all we have to show for it is an inconsistent Pogba. He did not warrant any further backing after that. United are not a bottomless pit.
Hey, we can't always agree.
This place would get boring fast if we all shared a single United opinion.
like I said, partially backed. Things are still being uncovered regarding how recruiting and player acquisition works behind the scenes. Jose’s squads wins things everywhere he’s been.
I don't hate the guy, I just think he's a narcissistic cnut who is largely responsible for the problems our club is facing right now. Due in no small part to his horrific transfer market failures.
Mourinho was practically begging for the sack by the end - it was almost like he was setting the team up to lose games, just to prove a point. The results reflect that - 26 points from his last 17 games in charge is appalling; when have we ever seen something that bad from a United manager.........
like I said, if you look at his prior squads, you’d be ok with how he builds his squads. The way it has happened here, you just gotta be objective and be suspicious of why it has happened the way it did.
I think we’re experiencing it now with Ole at the wheel.
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Yes our board of bankers understand more about putting together a winning football team.... doesn't that sound Just a little silly? We're got to 2nd, we got to the cl..... what exactly do you think the bankers thought?
I think they thought that top 4 was good enough, that there was no reason to lay our any more money.
Have you conveniently forgotten how his last season in charge went? It was bad enough that any achievements he claimed prior were made instantly null and void.
Exactly. The people who knew football asked for investment in this squad that badly needed investment and the “football-know-it-all” bean counter knew better.
Ask Ole.
This has been covered umpteen times in the pages before.
He acted out in his last season because he’s was the only person in the club with a winners mentality.
I absolve him of that. In fact I’m glad he did so. He was right about everything.
How it gone since he left?
Maybe something along the lines of: "hey, we've backed this guy to the tune of £400 million+ over the last couple of summers and the majority of the players brought with that money look a bit shit. Let's give him another £70 million-odd then call it quits. Tell him to work with what he's got at his disposal. Special One indeed *tuts*. Anyone for more prawn sandwiches?"
so, you’re saying it’s ok and right for these bankers to make that call? When are they going to start making those calls with Ole’s signings? They probably already have with this last window. When are we fans gonna realize, these are non-footballing people and are what’s causing our decline. Who are they to question who Jose wanted after a 2nd place finish and in the CL the following season?
? How do the bankers make judgements on each player? Do they even watch the games?
Anyway, i guess you're happy with the DOFs we have now.
I'm firmly in the Glazers + Woodward out camp as I believe they are root of the problem between them. But Jose was equally culpable after his antics last season which rightfully led to his sacking.
They have no need to withold funds where Ole is concerned because his transfers have proven successful so far. If anything he should be rewarded with increased backing next summer - that's assuming he is still in charge, of course, which is looking increasingly unlikely given the current situation. But who knows.
You know its possible to shit on EW and Glazers while in same time you can shit on JM for things he is done as United manager, right? You bunch of brainwashed sheep. What you doin these days anyway when he is out of work, still gathering around fire and poke each others eyes out or?
Ole seems to have spent a lot of money, and is in 12th place. What has proved successful? I don't even think the bankers will approve of that.
Where was Chelsea languishing when he got fired the second time around?
As far as I'm concerned, Jose's one of the few to have the balls to stand up against the shit going in behind the scenes by the Glazers and Woodward. It certainly was the turning point for me in thinking it was just the manager to really scrutinizing the one above.
It's hard for me now to watch Ole get d*cked even harder by Ed, only to keep his mouth shut like a good lil boy. Guess his job is more important to him than what's actually good for United. I prefer the guy that put it all on the line out of principle than the yes man who will soon be sacrificed
Why are you even asking this question? You think I'm here to defend Ole or something? Ole should go and he's incompetent. Figures, that you have to dodge evidence against Mourinho and instead attack the crappier manager to make Mourinho's work look better than it actually was.
Sorry, but that doesn't work here.
The table simply reflects how United, the team did. What is up for discussion is who was most responsible for it. And I'm sorry, but it doesn't look good for Mourinho when it's clear United finishing 2nd as opposed to 5th was due to de Gea. Literally, all Mourinho fan boys do is simply say "But 2nd!" Mourinho was mediocre who never challenged for the title and the one season where he got second by the slimmest of margins, it was due to de Gea.
The whole point of you guys citing 2nd is to prove Mourinho was some kind of genius who deserved more time. I'm telling you he did not deserve more time because his 2nd place "achievement" was not a case of his tactical brilliance, but instead of individual brilliance. If it was tactical brilliance why did United concede the most chances out of all the top 6 sides? Why does expected goals say that United should have conceded a lot more goals as opposed to being the 2nd best defense? If it was Mourinho's brilliance he would have cut off those chances due to his tactics. Take out de Gea for another brilliant keeper and United likely don't get 2nd place because de Gea was unreal that season. It's not like United were set out to score either and the defense just couldn't handle it btw. United created the least amount of chances in the top 6.
If it was Mourinho's brilliance, he wouldn't have wanted another defender because conceding so few goals would be down to his work.
I forget though, is conceding so few goals a lie now? Isn't that what the table says? Hmmm. Wonder why Mourinho thought he needed a better defense and wasn't happy with his group. Hmmm. Maybe because he realized that de Gea carried him to 2nd.
Achievement my arse. Meanwhile Klopp having spent the same amount of money, have gotten Liverpool to seriously compete for 2 CL titles, and compete for a PL title. You can clearly see the imprint Klopp had on his side from the very first week at Liverpool midseason of 2015/2016. So even if we remove the major title challenges, Klopp comes out on top in this very low bar, which I have been universally applying for all of our failed managers. They can't even get the basics right for me to believe in them. Forget the titles. They can't clear that small hurdle.
I mean you have to laugh
@Che Guevara
Chelsea finished eight points clear last season and won the League Cup, but have lost nine of their 16 league games so far and are 16th in the table, one point above the relegation!
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/34670192
We should have never taken a chance with him after he almost relegated Chelsea.
i’m asking this question because your argument of mourinho’s team finishing 2nd is due to De Gea carrying the team is flawed. He had a great season, yes. Was he the sole reason we finished 2nd, heck no. If you truly believe it was all De Gea, you don’t understand how this game works.
Also, what managers finishing 2nd don’t deserve backing from their higher ups? Especially it is the best finish the club has seen post SAF. It’s progress! You make it sound like it’s easy to finish 2nd. All you need a keeper carrying the team to beat every team in the league. Sure we conceded lots of chances, that’s where you are pointing out yourself that we needed defense improvements. You can keep denying it but it’s clear as day you are lost in your own arguments.
They appear to be good signings but Maguire was asked by Jose. James was a recommended by Giggs. AWB wasn’t a surprise and probably was already on the list from prior seasons. It’s not like he’s gone out and found these special talents. We’ll see how big their impacts are on our team this season. So far, not great. We’re 12th...
couldn’t have said it better.
The point is not to say that Mourinho was especially bad, but that his 2nd place finish was overrated by Mourinho fans. You guys cling to the number. If United were 5th, would you guys still be lavishing praise for Mourinho even though it would be a similar performance from Mourinho? What's the difference between 2nd and 5th in that season compared to 2nd in another season? You guys act like Mourinho had a season like United's 2010 and 2012 seasons where United finished 2nd with 1 less point than the champions. The 2nd place finish was not a title challenge, and the only reason why United were 2nd, and not 5th was due to de Gea.
I just find it strange that you guys cling to the number as opposed to the fact that United were boring, did not challenge for any major trophy, and didn't look well coached at all. Anybody that thought Mourinho was the right man were putting on blinders, just like you have in regards to the 2nd place finish. All the peripherals (boring play, de Gea miracles, stats) point to this not being sustainable under Mourinho and if it was, why on earth was Mourinho not able to replicate that 2nd-5th type form even with only getting supplemented by Fred, Dalot, and Grant? I mean, at this point in the conversation I'm not blaming him for not being able to catch up to Pep (money spent), but why couldn't he keep up with Pocchetino who spent €0 that summer, or why was he not able to keep up with Arsenal? Even though I lower my standards, Mourinho still failed to clear those standards. It's why he deserved the sack.
To add further context, the whole point of Mourinho when we hired him is that we were sacrificing potentially attacking football, youth, etc... because Mourinho was the man to get United to challenge for the major trophies again. The fans accepted that because they felt United just needed to start competing again regardless of how it's done.
Thing is, why accept Mourinho's boring football if he's not even mustering a decent title challenge? Even if we lower the standards to "just get the side to perform counter attacks like the past Mourinho sides" he failed. There was no reason to believe in his project when he was always a short term manager, and none of the on the pitch offerings suggested that United were a signing or two away from challenging.
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West Ham away, never forget, he basically set up a team to lose on purpose, just so he can prove a point with McT as CB, a United manager ladies and gents, adored pre, during and post United days by some special folk, its actually funny. United above his own interests, am i right. After all now we have someone who cares more about his own job than whats best for United, right. Thats progress.
From someone who couldnt give a two shits about United, never accepting blame for shitshow he creates, doing brainwashing PR during a managerial stint to protect his own reputation, so he could land another well paid gig easier, after he creates conditions to be sacked first ofcc, so he can run with bags full of $$$$$$. Hollywood should offer him a role in next "Ocean __" movie.
To someone who will try to hold onto his current job as hard as possible, because he knows, if sacked, thats it, one way ticket home is waiting.
While Glazers still milking the club and EW thinking there is some Godlike power in being CEO-DoFwannabe of Manchester United.
From someone who couldnt give a two shits about United, never accepting blame for shitshow he creates, doing brainwashing PR during a managerial stint to protect his own reputation, so he could land another well paid gig easier, after he creates conditions to be sacked first ofcc, so he can run with bags full of $$$$$$. Hollywood should offer him a role in next "Ocean __" movie.
To someone who will try to hold onto his current job as hard as possible, because he knows, if sacked, thats it, one way ticket home is waiting.
While Glazers still milking the club and EW thinking there is some Godlike power in being CEO-DoFwannabe of Manchester United.
Fully agree and I said it exactly in the same words here. I will support a guy who has balls exposing the board for fecking up the team than a manager covering for them in public and just happy to stick around in the job. A manager covering for the board is for me as guilty as them, and shouldn't be defended.
And that's doesn't mean Mourinho didn't make mistakes himself of course, but not in that case.
Er... now?
Honestly, that opinion is hard to take seriously, given how terribly he self-destructed. And not for the first time.