So if we end up winning the FA Cup and Champions League, both of which are still very much possibilities, then he will be right up there ahead of de Bruyne then will he?
I'm calling it: DDG is the best we've ever had
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So if we end up winning the FA Cup and Champions League, both of which are still very much possibilities, then he will be right up there ahead of de Bruyne then will he?
Success in any field is measured by results and in football by trophies..
To be called one of the best ..u have to win something. if not then degea will only be talked as great Gk in the premiere league.
To be called one of the best ..u have to win something. if not then degea will only be talked as great Gk in the premiere league.
If we won the Champions League... yeah, possibly.
He doesn't seem to be well regarded outside of England, though.
What makes you say or think that?
Woah relax there. But yeah, have to agree.
In fact, I'm interested in playing GK sometimes (preferred position is still more advance playmaking/assisting) because of United's 3 great GKs.
Peter Schmeichel
- Imposing, dominating, commanding, aggressive, rushout style, punching saves, point-blank save, threatening when going up last min and long throw counter attacks.
Edwin van der Sar
- Cool, composure, organize defence, commanding, presence, kicking, cross catching, diving save, passing range, and playmaking from the very back.
David de Gea
- Feet save skills, cat blocks, finger tips save, point-blank save, becoming more imposing, kicking, passing range, and one man army.
It's like ecstasy looking at them playing, beautiful, artistic at times, well the latter two mostly.Woah relax there. But yeah, have to agree.
In fact, I'm interested in playing GK sometimes (preferred position is still more advance playmaking/assisting) because of United's 3 great GKs.
Peter Schmeichel
- Imposing, dominating, commanding, aggressive, rushout style, punching crosses, point-blank save, threatening when going up last min and long throw counter attacks.
Edwin van der Sar
- Cool, composure, organize defence, commanding, presence, kicking, cross catching, diving save, passing range, and playmaking from the very back.
David de Gea
- Feet save skills, cat blocks, finger tips save, point-blank save, becoming more imposing, kicking, passing range, and one man army.
We'be been lucky enough to have many greats throughout the years.
Just needs some more silverware , definitely up there in terms of ability and performance.
Definitely the game's best ever. Give him trophies.
DDG doesn't have the passing range anymore, he's totally lost it, he's been so rubbish on the ball lately, it's unbelievable how far he has deteriorated. His only decent aspect is his shot stopping, all the massive improvement he made under LVG & Franz Hoek regarding crosses, taking control inside the box and with the feet on the ball are suddenly gone under Mourinho.Woah relax there. But yeah, have to agree.
In fact, I'm interested in playing GK sometimes (preferred position is still more advance playmaking/assisting) because of United's 3 great GKs.
Peter Schmeichel
- Imposing, dominating, commanding, aggressive, rushout style, punching saves, point-blank save, threatening when going up last min and long throw counter attacks.
Edwin van der Sar
- Cool, composure, organize defence, commanding, presence, kicking, cross catching, diving save, passing range, and playmaking from the very back.
David de Gea
- Feet save skills, cat blocks, finger tips save, point-blank save, becoming more imposing, kicking, passing range, and one man army.
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry when our goalkeeper is player of the season every single year. Our tactic relies on him making atleast 1 wonder save per game. He probably saves us atleast 15-20 points a season on his own. Without him, Jose would be in BIG trouble.
I’m calling it: he isn’t
This might not be a popular view in the house but his distribution coupled withave our inability to build from the back is one of the key reasons we are in this mess.
When he catches the ball, there is a good chance he is gonna give it to the opposition. This results in our defence being tested a lot.
Of course you can counteract all that by hoofing to someone who is a specialist in receiving hoofballs like Fellaini to avoid turn over of position after every hoofball
When he catches the ball, there is a good chance he is gonna give it to the opposition. This results in our defence being tested a lot.
Of course you can counteract all that by hoofing to someone who is a specialist in receiving hoofballs like Fellaini to avoid turn over of position after every hoofball
Schmeichel was an absolute wall, I remember countless world class saves he made, Newcastle away in 96, Bayern in the CL final, the list is endless.
For me its.
1:Schmeichel
2.DDG
3.VDS
For me its.
1:Schmeichel
2.DDG
3.VDS
Also commanded his area and organised/kept defenders on their toes. A captain. One of several in that side.
I don't know about this. There are plenty of keepers--even in the Prem--better than him with the ball at their feet, but that's a very, very small factor in the state of things. There are so many things that weigh much more on our style of play than Big Dave's distribution. I don't know how you can look at the way the team plays and come up with that.
In this day and age I do not think a keeper's distribution is a very, very small factor.
It''s not a problem if we can play from the back. Problem is we give up too much possesion from his long balls. Thats why I even said we might be better having someone who is capable of winning those long balls like Fellaini.
In general, of course not. In terms of what United are struggling with at the moment, yes, it's a small factor. There are wolves way closer to the door than how de Gea is getting the ball out of the back.
His is still fine.
Three issues:
- No Fellaini to aim to. Lukaku is not a good target man. LVG and Mourinho's last season, Fellaini (and Zlatan) played a lot.
- Our two CBs when Jones and Smalling playing is not helping him. Their off-the-ball movement is bad, as if not practicing this or not being coached. Modern CBs should drift out wide at both side at the Sideback areas to open up options and receive keeper's passes. Lindelof playing and Bailly is back, expecting this to improve.
- No good movements/positioning from our attacking players upfield for De Gea to give long-pass.
Undoubtedly the best we've ever had between the sticks. Impossible to score against from outside the box.
1. DDG
2. The Great Dane
3. Edwin van de Sar
4. Alex Stepney
1. DDG
2. The Great Dane
3. Edwin van de Sar
4. Alex Stepney
He's the best shot-stopper I've seen, possibly in contention as one of the best ever in that regard. He's also insanely consistent, very rarely costs the team with blunders.
In all other areas - distribution, dealing with high balls, coming off his line either for crosses or balls in behind our defense, and general organizational and leadership qualities - he's a bit average.
In all other areas - distribution, dealing with high balls, coming off his line either for crosses or balls in behind our defense, and general organizational and leadership qualities - he's a bit average.
Agreed, Lampard said something similar. Said he’d be embarrassed as a Chelsea player if they were so reliant on their keeper every year.
While you are not entirely incorrect, you can't expect the keeper to make successful 70 meter passes all the time. This is some feat even for midfielders but somehow the keeper should magically distribute the ball flawlessly. Not to mention that it matters if the goalie has time to actually check the position of his team and pass or someone is closing him down and he kicks the ball forward in order to clear it.
How many do you need ?
If we start at the 92/93 season - in fairness that didn't cost us the game but he gave a goal away to Everton in the 2nd game of the season. But I Think that was the 0-2 goal so. He came 25 yards out and lost the ball to an Everton-player who scored. Was Mo Johnston scoring I think.
Same season - Schmeichel came out of the area to clear the ball - missed it and Kiwomya rolled the ball into the empty net. 1-0 Ipswich. Match ended 2-1 after Choccy pulled one back for us.
Sheffield W same season or the season after - he dropped an easy ball by Sheridan I think into the net. And then yelled at Bruce and Pallister
And one more I can recall was the mistake against Barnsley in the fa Cup - similar goal as the one against Ipswich. Came outside the box to clear the ball and missed it.
Don't get me wrong - Schmeichel was brilliant - but De Gea is in my opinion now at least at the same level. I would actually say better
I do recall the Everton one. we were awful all round that day but it was a howler. Didn't think the Sheff W was a mistake. Don't remember Barnsley at all. but if that's the total for his whole time at United WOWHow many do you need ?
If we start at the 92/93 season - in fairness that didn't cost us the game but he gave a goal away to Everton in the 2nd game of the season. But I Think that was the 0-2 goal so. He came 25 yards out and lost the ball to an Everton-player who scored. Was Mo Johnston scoring I think.
Same season - Schmeichel came out of the area to clear the ball - missed it and Kiwomya rolled the ball into the empty net. 1-0 Ipswich. Match ended 2-1 after Choccy pulled one back for us.
Sheffield W same season or the season after - he dropped an easy ball by Sheridan I think into the net. And then yelled at Bruce and Pallister
And one more I can recall was the mistake against Barnsley in the fa Cup - similar goal as the one against Ipswich. Came outside the box to clear the ball and missed it.
Don't get me wrong - Schmeichel was brilliant - but De Gea is in my opinion now at least at the same level. I would actually say better
How many do you need ?
If we start at the 92/93 season - in fairness that didn't cost us the game but he gave a goal away to Everton in the 2nd game of the season. But I Think that was the 0-2 goal so. He came 25 yards out and lost the ball to an Everton-player who scored. Was Mo Johnston scoring I think.
Same season - Schmeichel came out of the area to clear the ball - missed it and Kiwomya rolled the ball into the empty net. 1-0 Ipswich. Match ended 2-1 after Choccy pulled one back for us.
Sheffield W same season or the season after - he dropped an easy ball by Sheridan I think into the net. And then yelled at Bruce and Pallister
And one more I can recall was the mistake against Barnsley in the fa Cup - similar goal as the one against Ipswich. Came outside the box to clear the ball and missed it.
Don't get me wrong - Schmeichel was brilliant - but De Gea is in my opinion now at least at the same level. I would actually say better
Schmeichel was a fantastic keeper, made so many unbelievable saves which won us games. But, he could be rash at times and definitely made more mistakes than De Gea now makes (does he make any? certainly none that can be classified as howlers). Two I remember from Schmeichel are rushing out of his area against Bayern in a 1998/9 CL group match and not getting the ball, resulting in them scoring and getting chipped by Philip Albert from outside the box in the 5-0 defeat at Newcastle in the 1996/7 season.
There was the goal at Old Trafford against Barnsley (John Hendrie I think) which was another error from him.
Those are the really bad ones I recall here and now that lead to goals. I mean it was 20 years ago so I can't recall every single mistake he made. On top of that, I didn't see every United-game back then, like I do now. But he did make more mistakes than De Gea. I have to think really hard to find a serious mistake by de Gea that lead to a goal in the last 3-4 seasons.
If goalkeepers weren't always excluded from such debates, we'd really be discussing where he stands amongst our best players ever. When have we had a player undeniably top 1-2 in the world in his position for such a sustained period of time?
The fact that we probably have the top three that there has ever been in the Premier League (de Gea, Schmeichael senior, and van der Sar), is pretty great (with great credit to Cech at Chelsea pre head injury).
I said this about Alan Shearer but many people disagreed with me. For me he is fractionally behind Schmeichel purely because his match winning saves would win titles not help us with a top 4 finish. However he is the best player in the world in his position and has been for at least two years now, at some point he needs to get the recognition he deserves.
Different times. Goalkeepers now are requiered to do much more than 10 years ago. What used to be a bonus (good passing, distribution and teamwork) is nowadays a must for any goakeeper.
De Gea is one of the best ever in terms of ability. And he definitely makes less mistakes than any other goalkeeper we’ve ever had (VdS comes close). But if we’re being a bit pedantic, he’s not completely error-free, I do think he costs us on average about one goal a season. But compared to what he saves us, it’s obviously irrelevant.
no but early on his decision-making on coming for crosses certainly created panic and although I can't remember which games at least two cost us goals.. as did his not coming out on one-2-ones.
Undoubtedly a superb shot stopper and reflex keeper... but if he bossed his six yard box (never mind the area) better, he wouldn’t have half those shots to save in the first place.
Schmikes for me then nothing to choose between ddg, vds and Stepney.
Schmikes for me then nothing to choose between ddg, vds and Stepney.
We're lucky enough to have had 3 exceptional keepers in 25 yrs. Peter S. Edwin V S. DDG. In between a few good ones. SAF made is the guy who went through some bad keepers and we now have on our books 3 or 4 keepers that are all good or very good. Best we've had maybe DDG. If we win Champions league with him he will go down as the best. But it's a close one with big pete. And Edwin ..I'd call it a draw....
I heard Specsavers have a Sale on at the minute
Where does this save rank in the list of all time great saves? Gotta be up there surely.
Every week he sets about cementing his status as United's GOAT goalkeeper. I think he is close to reaching that goal, if not already.