You mean they will be still be coming up with new versions of "the real reason for govt did it is" even after months and year
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Incredible. The cult knows no bounds.And have anotherfor arguing for postponing the lockdown. You deserve Rahul Gandhi.
But why this compulsive need to blame anyone at all? Go back and look at the thread, you'll find the usual suspects having a go at the government inspite of prompt decisive action.
Would love to have an alternative timeline to see how many deaths delaying a lockdown would've resulted. But I'm not stupid enough to blame someone for something entirely out of their control.
Yes, Modi Bad man, we get your point.
First the govt should have done ana analysis of people dying because of Covid-19 without lockdown versus people dying of exhaustion/starvation, and peopl dying of other diseases while hospitals are preoccupied with Covid. Then the govt, which knows that we have a large migrant workforce, should have realised that all lockdowns are totally useless if you don't make arrangements for them.
Who is social distancing here?
These crowds happened as a direct result of the lockdown announcement.
I have described what I think the govt should have done here. Since they have not done even the basics, I think their response is a failure. Announcing a belated lockdown without clariying anything else is *bad* and a *failure* of the government.
If Modi had done nothing, they would say that he nows that India is a poor country and will deal better by letting it spread. Since he has done something (and done it horribly), they are saying the govt has shown it cares.
There is nothing that the govt does which can ever be bad, and this was proved by the response to demonitisation.
There is nothing that the govt does which can ever be bad, and this was proved by the response to demonitisation.
8PM Minister claims India has been testing people/foreigners who enter India since mid-Jan.And you're going to say that the government failed miserably no matter what they do, don't fool yourself(or anyone else) Mandatory
Then proceeds to Trump pandering, Delhi Pogrom and buying MLAs of the MP govt between February and March.
Announces a utensil banging competition on 19/03 and then proceeds to announce a full lockdown on 24/03, giving people and local governments a 4h notice. In the middle of all this, also gets a 20kCr renovation plan passed in the Parliament with 0 discussion/debate.
Such planning, much masterstroke from the versatile genius.
Unless you were born yesterday, govts have been blamed for decades. This new theory that people should not blame govt came only after Modi came to power.
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What about the idiot who went ahead and kept Lord Rama idols in new Ayodhya site, when entire country was going into lockdown.
Insulting another member
You make a decent change in pace for this thread for having a different opinion.So he should have sat and planned for two weeks should he? Or he should maybe have denied the need for lockdown altogether, like Trump did
But also happy to take an infarction for this.
Yourr a C*unt for saying that.
Ya. Lest they tell the world about the real numbers. That can't be allowed.
That he called him a "brother" for daring to criticise dear leader Modi is par for course among the bigoted supporters of the ruling party.
Exactly. Critiquing and criticizing governments and politicians who you are there to serve the people is normal. These fanboi bhakts on the other hand pretend as though we have to serve the leader. No wonder he keeps saying "mein aapse Kuch mangna Chahta hoon" every now and then.
A leapard never..Tbf to RaGa here, he was among the handful of politicians who was questioning the preparedness of the government here. But in response all he got was that he is trying to score political points. Make fun of him all you want, I'm not his fan, but atleast give him credit where due
People really can't be this thick to absolve blame off government here. It was obvious that there would need to be shutdowns in the country once the virus enters. We had 3 weeks of headstart, and then another 2-3 weeks before it started spreading.
Our testing capacity should have been more right from the very start and its still not enough. Large gatherings should have been banned within a week after the 1st positive case. Centre and state should have charted out a worst case scenario plan, the amenities that they can provide and set some supply lines up that a lockdown can be implemented successfully. The speech by PM where he announced the lockdown should have included the amenities that re going to be provided, and also that the landlords shouldn't collect rents from economically backward families, instead of wasting time by saying the same thing over and over again. I'm not sure how much time is needed to procure medical supplies, so wouldn't blame the government on that, but surely there shouldn't have been a dearth of masks from early March itself!
Our testing capacity should have been more right from the very start and its still not enough. Large gatherings should have been banned within a week after the 1st positive case. Centre and state should have charted out a worst case scenario plan, the amenities that they can provide and set some supply lines up that a lockdown can be implemented successfully. The speech by PM where he announced the lockdown should have included the amenities that re going to be provided, and also that the landlords shouldn't collect rents from economically backward families, instead of wasting time by saying the same thing over and over again. I'm not sure how much time is needed to procure medical supplies, so wouldn't blame the government on that, but surely there shouldn't have been a dearth of masks from early March itself!
Lock down should have been in phases. You cannot simply give a 4 hour time frame and not expect logistical nightmares with the way India functions.
Nizamuddin has been functioning for nearly 100 years and there is always a few thousand people within the building, including foreigners visiting the centre. There was no guidance from local authorities prior to lock down to implement any measures to shut down the Markaz.
Modi's 4 hour lock down measure meant people within the centre had basically nowhere to go but to stay within the building. There was no chance of transport and going out was also not an option due either fear of police or being stuck on the streets.
The doors to Markaz were immediately shut after Modi declared lock down. As usual diversion tactics of the biased media away from any blame for the government has worked with the countries mind focused directed towards Markaz in Nizamuddin.
Modi's 4 hour lock down measure meant people within the centre had basically nowhere to go but to stay within the building. There was no chance of transport and going out was also not an option due either fear of police or being stuck on the streets.
The doors to Markaz were immediately shut after Modi declared lock down. As usual diversion tactics of the biased media away from any blame for the government has worked with the countries mind focused directed towards Markaz in Nizamuddin.
Oh my god, this truly is deja vu
Tbh, there is no "successful" scenario for the lockdown. No matter which society you're in, the poorer sections would be suffering. Unemployment would rise, small businesses would collapse etc. In a society like India, I'd say having a "successful" lockdown is near impossible.
The case of migrant workers should have been handled better though. No point leaving them stranded without assistance.
The case of migrant workers should have been handled better though. No point leaving them stranded without assistance.
If im not mistaken the seminar happened from 1-15 march, the people who attended it arrived in february and the lockdown/curfew started from 22-23 march. I dont see how the entire circus is blaming nizamuddin except for communal politics ?
Luckily there is a rumour on whatsapp that the admins will be held responsible for nonsense posted there. Else my apartments whatsapp group would have been filled with free for all by my Islamophobic neighbours.
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Anything is possible in India. I am not surprised. But Modi had no choice but to go for a lockdown. I am not a fan of him but in this case dammed if he did and dammed if he didn't.
I don't think anyone is blaming Modi for enforcing lockdown.
The criticism is mostly about timing - some believe it could have been done way early with how things around the world was going
Preparedness - In terms of tests conducted, process of testing, guidelines for the entire country on how to do testing
Coordination and planning - How will lockdown affect people? what about daily wage earners? what about migrants? Will all states be able to handle it? etc etc.
People elect their govts to be able to do all this thinking and planning.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...-shortage-at-home-2203900?pfrom=home-bigstory
The fanbois will probably blame the Left govt in Kerala for this.After all the flight flew from Kochi.
The fanbois will probably blame the Left govt in Kerala for this.After all the flight flew from Kochi.
There's no "right time" to implement a lockdown. If cases increase, people will say it was done late. If they don't increase there'll be views like "we've been too harsh". Also that lockdown will have a huge impact on people and economy, so an ultra conservative approach won't be beneficial too. Did US implement lockdown at right time? Or Italy, Spain or France? Harsh to judge India's timings on this. Also with the pathetic crisis management infrastructure in India, there was only one way a lockdown will go down and we're seeing it now.
Spot on. India is so huge and so disorganised did anyone really expect this to go any different?
As for the police I always had a feeling that most of them are failed cricketers the way they use the lathi. I saw a pitch invasion in Chennai ( Madras) as it was then called. The police had a lathi charge. The next morning's papers had it on the front page. A policeman hitting a fan.
He had rocked on to his back foot with his left feet off the ground and a classical square cut on the arse of the fan. I don't think even Sachin could have done any better.
The most disheartening thing I have seen through all of this is the behaviour of the police with the poor street vendors, which is bordering on inhuman. I don't know what else I expected but it breaks my heart to see some of the videos circulating around 
Police misusing their power has always been a thing in India. And now with this lockdown thing they have got a justified reason to misuse it even more. Although it has to be said there are some people who instead of staying home are roaming outside are arguing with police like idiots. And there are some honourable policeman who are helping the people out in this tough times but because of some stupid policemen who think wearing the uniform give them the right to beat people are just spoiling the whole profession's image.The most disheartening thing I have seen through all of this is the behaviour of the police with the poor street vendors, which is bordering on inhuman. I don't know what else I expected but it breaks my heart to see some of the videos circulating around
I am sure I saw a video of a lathi fight between two people. One was a policeman. It was hilarious as it looks like a Chinese movie scene with two masters fighting with sticks.
Exactly. This was always going to be a mess, at least the govt called it early. We have live examples of what could go wrong with delay from US, UK, Brazil. In fact I was half expecting him to declare a lockdown on March 18th itself, but no doubt the demonetisation debacle has made him wary of being too hasty with things.
In positive news, reading that the mandated BCG vaccine which Indians get will help us be more resistant to the coronavirus strains. And I believe we're just more germ resistant than cleaner countries.
The Delhi govt order banning gatherings was passed on March 13th. The preachers in there were in violation of their visas. And the people that dispersed from the jamaat to other parts of the country before 24th aren't presenting themselves for testing. Not that I entirely blame the jamaat of course, we can't really expect religious people to be as vigilant as the rest. But the same way that you have the modi haters blaming the government when there's no blame to be given, you'll also have haters of a different kind hating without cause.
This is one of those arguments that I will literally never get. There is literally nothing to prove that our immunity is higher, and the chances of that being higher because of our hygiene are near impossible.
Go back a 100 years, we were poorer, and I'm pretty sure we weren't cleaner then. But, we still lost 12 million people from Spanish flu!
who tracks the visa offenders, again? A govt which can't even track visa offenders properly wants to implement a nationwide NRC.