There has been only 1 confirmed case of Corona Virus in Arunachal Pradesh.
Due to a human error, Zee News had shown that Arunachal Pradesh had 11 people from Tableeghi Jamat tested positive.
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Due to a human error, Zee News had shown that Arunachal Pradesh had 11 people from Tableeghi Jamat tested positive.
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I guess it's business as usual around the LOC.
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One of the worst attribute of a leader is not taking criticism well. Modi spectacularly fails in that.India Is No Longer India
Exile in the time of Modi
Aatish Taseer May 2020 Issue
“You realize,” a friend wrote to me from Kolkata earlier this year, “that, without the exalted secular ‘idea’ of India … the whole place falls apart.”
India had been on the boil for weeks. On December 11, Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Hindu-nationalist government had passed its Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA), which gave immigrants from three neighboring countries (Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Bangladesh) a path to citizenship on one condition: that they were not Muslim. For the first time in India’s long history of secularism, a religious test had been enacted. If some commentators described the CAA as “India’s first Nuremberg Law,” it was because the law did not stand alone. It worked in tandem, Indian Home Minister Amit Shah menacingly implied—in remarks he has recently tried to walk back—with a slew of other new laws that cast the citizenship of many of India’s own people into doubt. Shah, who has referred to Muslim immigrants as “termites,” spoke of a process by which the government would survey India’s large agrarian population, a significant portion of which is undocumented, and designate the status of millions as “doubtful.” The CAA would then kick into action, providing non-Muslims with relief and leaving Indian Muslims in a position where they could face disenfranchisement, statelessness, or internment. India’s Muslim population of almost 200 million, which had been provoked by Modi’s government for six years, finally erupted in protest. They were joined by many non-Muslims, who were appalled by so brazen an attack on the Indian ethos. The constitutional expert Madhav Khosla recently described the effect of the new laws as a swift movement toward “an arrangement where citizenship is centered on the idea of blood and soil, rather than on the idea of birth.” In short, an arrangement in which being Indian meant accepting Hindu dominance and actively eschewing Indian Muslims.
India was seething, but I could not go back to the country where I had grown up. I was deep in my own citizenship drama. On November 7, the Indian government had stripped me of my Overseas Citizenship of India and blacklisted me from the country where my mother and grandmother live. The pretext the government used was that I had concealed the Pakistani origins of my father, from whom I had been estranged for most of my life, and whom I had not met until the age of 21. It was an odd accusation. I had written a book, Stranger to History, and published many articles about my absent father. The story of our relationship was well known because my father, Salmaan Taseer, had been the governor of Punjab, in Pakistan, and had been assassinated by his bodyguard in 2011 for daring to defend a Christian woman accused of blasphemy.
None of this had affected my status in India, where I had lived for 30 of my 40 years. I became “Pakistani” in the eyes of Modi’s government—and, more important, “Muslim,” because religious identity in India is mostly patrilineal and more a matter of blood than faith—only after I wrote a story for Time titled “India’s Divider in Chief.” The article enraged the prime minister. “Time magazine is foreign,” he responded. “The writer has also said he comes from a Pakistani political family. That is enough for his credibility.” From that moment on, my days as an Indian citizen were numbered.
In August, I received a letter from the Home Ministry threatening me with the cancellation of my citizenship status. Then, in November, an Indian news site leaked what the government was planning to do. Within hours, the Home Ministry’s spokesperson was on Twitter, canceling my citizenship before I had been officially informed. In one stroke, Modi’s government cut me off from the country I had written and thought about my whole life, and where all the people I had grown up with still lived.
To lose one’s country is to know a feeling akin to shame, almost as if one has been disowned by a parent, or turned out of one’s home. Your country is so intimately bound up with your sense of self that you do not realize what a ballast it has been until it is gone. The relationship is fundamental. It is one of the few things we are allowed to take for granted, and it is the basis of our curiosity about other places. Without a country we are adrift, like people whose inability to love another is linked to an inability to love themselves.
For me, the loss was literal—I could not go back to India—but also abstract: the loss of an idea, that “exalted” idea of a secular India. India, as its first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, vowed, was not meant to be a “Hindu Pakistan.” Rather, it was to be a place that cherished the array of religions, languages, ethnicities, and cultures that had taken root over 50 centuries.
Nehru’s idea of India as a palimpsest, where “layer upon layer of thought and reverie had been inscribed, and yet no succeeding layer has completely hidden or erased what has been written previously,” served as the foundation for the modern republic, born of British colonial rule in 1947. The new country gave secularism a distinctly Indian meaning. As the parliamentarian Shashi Tharoor told me recently, “Secular in India merely meant the existence of a profusion of religions, all of which were allowed and encouraged by the state to flourish.” The idea of India was a historical recognition that over time—and not always peacefully—a great diversity had collected on the Indian subcontinent. The modern republic, as a reflection of that history, would belong not to any one group, but to all groups in equal measure.
But beneath the topsoil of this modern country, a mere seven decades old, lies an older reality, embodied in the word Bharat, which can evoke the idea of India as the holy land, specifically of the Hindus. India and Bharat—these two words for the same place represent a central tension within the nation, the most dangerous and urgent one of our time. Bharat is Sanskrit, and the name by which India knows herself in her own languages, free of the gaze of outsiders. India is Latin, and its etymology alone—the Sanskrit sindhu for “river,” turning into hind in Persian, and then into indos in Greek, meaning the Indus—reveals a long history of being under Western eyes. India is a land; Bharat is a people—the Hindus. India is historical; Bharat is mythical. India is an overarching and inclusionary idea; Bharat is atavistic, emotional, exclusionary.
It was this tension between two distinct ways of looking at the same place—modern country or holy land—that the founder of Hindu nationalism, Vinayak Damodar Savarkar, took aim at in the early 20th century. As he wrote in his 1923 book, Hindutva: Who Is a Hindu?, “To be a Hindu means a person who sees this land, from the Indus River to the sea, as his country but also as his Holy Land.” This Hindu person was, in Savarkar’s view, the paramount Indian citizen. Everyone else was at best a guest, and at worst the bastard child of foreign invasion. Savarkar was, as Octavio Paz writes in In Light of India, “intellectually responsible for the assassination of Gandhi,” in 1948, at the hands of Nathuram Godse, now a hero of the Hindu right. Modern Hindu nationalism is represented by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the cultural organization in which Narendra Modi was reared, and of which his party—the Bharatiya Janata Party—is the political face.
As much as people in India bridle against the binary distinction of India and Bharat, it recurs again and again in the country’s discourse—Bharat as a pure, timeless country, unassailable and authentic; India as the embodiment of modernity and all its ills and dislocations. When a medical student was raped and murdered in Delhi in 2012, the head of the RSS had this to say: “Such crimes hardly take place in Bharat, but they occur frequently in India … Where ‘Bharat’ becomes ‘India,’ with the influence of Western culture, these types of incidents happen.”
Growing up in 1980s India, in a Westernized enclave where, to quote Edward Said, the “main tenet” of my world “was that everything of consequence either had happened or would happen in the West,” I had no idea of this other wholeness called Bharat. That ignorance of Hindu ways and beliefs was not mine alone, but symptomatic of the English-speaking elite, which, in imitation of the British colonial classes, lived in isolation from the country around them. Mohandas Gandhi, at the 1916 opening of Banaras Hindu University, a project that was designed to bridge the distance between Hindu tradition and Western-style modernity, worried that India’s “educated men” were becoming “foreigners in their own land,” unable to speak to the “heart of the nation.” Working closely with Nehru, Gandhi had been a great explainer, continually translating what came from outside into Indian idiom and tradition.
By the time I was an adult, the urban elites and the “heart of the nation” had lost the means to communicate. The elites lived in a state of gated comfort, oblivious to the hard realities of Indian life—poverty and unemployment, of course, but also urban ruin and environmental degradation. The schools their children went to set them at a great remove from India, on the levels of language, religion, and culture. Every feature of their life was designed, to quote Robert Byron on the English in India, to blunt their “natural interest in the country and sympathy with its people.” Their life was, culturally speaking, an adjunct to Western Europe and America; their values were a hybrid, in which India was served nominally while the West was reduced to a source of permissiveness and materialism. They thought they lived in a world where the “idea of India” reigned supreme—but all the while, the constituency for this idea was being steadily eroded. It was Bharat that was ascendant. India’s leaders today speak with contempt of the principles on which this young nation was founded. They look back instead to the timeless glories of the Hindu past. They scorn the “Khan Market gang”—a reference to a fashionable market near where I grew up that has become a metonym for the Indian elite. Hindu nationalists trace a direct line between the foreign occupiers who destroyed the Hindu past—first Muslims, then the British—and India’s Westernized elite (and India’s Muslims), whom they see as heirs to foreign occupation, still enjoying the privileges of plunder.
Almost 30 years ago, in the preface to his book Imaginary Homelands, Salman Rushdie, fearful of the “religious militancy” threatening “the foundations of the secular state,” had expressed alarm that “there is no commonly used Hindustani word for ‘secularism’; the importance of the secular ideal in India has simply been assumed, in a rather unexamined way.” As it happens, the exalted idea of India has no commonly used translation either. Rushdie was saying that this is not merely a failure of language, but an expression of the isolation of an elite that thought its power was inviolable. “And yet,” Rushdie wrote, “if the secularist principle were abandoned, India could simply explode.”
India is now exploding. Even the visit of an American president in February was not enough to contain the rage. As Modi and Donald Trump bear-hugged each other, Hindu-nationalist mobs roamed the streets of New Delhi a few miles away, murdering Muslims and attacking their businesses and places of worship. The two leaders did not acknowledge these events, in which Hindus and Muslims alike were killed. India is approaching an especially dangerous point: the right quantity of unemployed young men, the right kind of populist strongman, and the right level of ignorance and heightened expectations, emanating from an imaginary past. Who knows what elements of modern nation-building and democracy might conveniently be sacrificed on the altar of a vengeful and revivalist politics?
I was not Muslim, and not Pakistani, but, as the writer Saadat Hasan Manto once noted, I was Muslim enough to risk getting killed. It was game over for my sort of person in India. We had been so blithe, so unknowing, so insulated from a wider Indian reality that it was as if we had prepared the conditions for our own destruction. If I became attuned to the danger, it was because I had seen what had happened to my father in Pakistan, where the shape of society is identical to that of India. He had died like a dog in the street for his high Western ideals. They mourned him in the drawing rooms of Lahore, and in the universities, think tanks, and newsrooms of the West. But in Pakistan, his killer was showered with rose petals; his killer’s funeral drew more than 100,000 mourners into the streets.
All over the old non-West, as well as in Western Europe and America, the symbols of belonging—race, religion, language—are being repurposed for a confrontation between what David Goodhart has referred to as the “somewheres” and the “anywheres,” the rooted and the rootless. I, with no tribe or caste, no religion or country, have had nowhere to go but to the cities of the West, where I hoped to wait out the storm. But, as my break with India acquired a cold new finality, exile turning into asylum, I could not help but ask whether any harbor would survive the destructive wrath of what may be coming for us all.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/05/exile-in-the-age-of-modi/609073/
I read the piece in Time magzine that Aatish had written and apart from catchy headline that Time went with, which I am sure is not under Aatish control, the essay was by and large a very good piece on the state of affairs in the country. Didn't sound like a hit piece.
This is quite petty and should have been avoided.
Snow is melting so now infiltration will increase. It's quite busy time of the year in LOC
Can't India and Pakistan sort it out with the border as the LOC? It will save billions of people if both countries stop spending so much on arms.
Everyone wants a piece of kashmir due to the location + water. There will never ever be a “peaceful” agreement. This after Pak already has a part of Kashmir.
The politicians wouldn't want that. Right now, its easy to pin the blame of government's shortcomings on Pakistan. Although it is not helped by the fact that Pakistan has harboured terrorists in the past and still do, which makes it easier for politicians to extrapolate stories when you have facts as foundation to your story. And there is the Kashmir issue as well
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Statements from ISRC
On Tablighi Jamaat event [dated 08 April 2020]
Over the past few days, several prominent media personalities and politicians have suggested that the primary blame for the continued growth of the COVID-19 epidemic in India lies with a Tablighi Jamaat event that was held in Delhi on March 13. The available data does not support such a speculation.
We strongly condemn any attempt to communalize the pandemic. We draw attention to the World Health Organization’s statement that it is “very important that we do not profile the cases on the basis of racial, religious and ethnic lines.” This is also reflected in the statement by the Ministry of Health which says “Do not label any community or area for spread of COVID-19.”
We believe, while the Tablighi Jamaat erred by not cancelling the event, the administrative lapse of the Central and Delhi governments must be acknowledged, as this was a pre-approved event and certain arms of the government were aware that foreigners from infected countries would be participating.
Super spreader events have also taken place in other countries and even in India. For instance a single (now deceased) patient in Punjab led to the quarantining of 40,000 people from 20 villages in Punjab. Those who contract the virus in such an event, or spread it unintentionally, are themselves victims of the epidemic. They must not be demonized.
The actual number of infected across the country is believed to be far larger than the number of cases that have been confirmed so far. The effects of the Delhi event on the growth rate of the all India numbers may thus be significantly less than the numbers put out by MoHFW.
The Government has not released data on how many tests were conducted among the attendees of this event and their contacts. Thus, we do not know how the fraction of tests that were found to be positive in this case compares to testing on the general population. We call on the government to release this data.
We reiterate our call for the government to collect more data — by testing more — and to transparently share this data with the public.
https://indscicov.in/about-isrc/for-public/public-statements/
Rapid test kits not reached us yet, got diverted to US: Tamil Nadu Chief Secy
The Chief Secretary said that since the state had placed an order many days ago, China has promised to deliver it as soon as possible.
Tamil Nadu Chief Secretary K Shanmugam said on Saturday that there is a delay in receiving the rapid test kits ordered from China since the consignment meant for India was sent to the United States of America.
The Chief Secretary of Tamil Nadu, met the media after the conclusion of the state cabinet meeting headed by the Chief Minister at the Secretariat. To a question on the arrival of rapid anti-body test kits in Tamil Nadu, Shanmugam said that Tamil Nadu had independently placed orders for 1 lakh kits with China before the central government asked the state to do so.
“Rapid test kits have not yet reached India. When it reaches India, we will get it. We had placed order for one lakh kits even before the Government of India told us to. Then in a Chief Minister’s meeting, we were told to speed up the process and hence we placed an additional order of 50,000 kits. Three to four days ago, the Chief Minister said that since we have a lot of frontline workers and we will need to screen the quarantined region more, we will need more kits. Hence, we ordered two lakh kits more. (In total) Orders for four lakh kits have been placed,” explained the Chief Secretary.
Adding that the production of rapid test kits is limited in China, Shanmugam said that China has sent one consignment to the USA. “Since we had placed orders early, they have promised to give us at least 50,000 kits in the first consignment and then give us 50,000 more in the next consignment,” he stated.
The top bureaucrat informed that Chief Minister Edappadi Palaniswami had recommended the extension of lockdown by two more weeks in Tamil Nadu during the Chief Minister’s meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi earlier in the day. Shanmugam reiterated that the state government would abide by the Centre’s decision on the lockdown.
On Saturday, 58 new cases of COVID-19 were confirmed in the state, of which 47 cases arise from a single source event. This takes the total number of positive cases in Tamil Nadu to 969. A patient undergoing treatment for COVID-19 in Erode died on Saturday, taking the death toll 10. The state government has tested 9,842 samples till Saturday, of which results of 1,094 samples are pending.
https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/coronavirus-india-how-you-can-contribute-cause-122288
Is this true ?
The Chief Secretary said that since the state had placed an order many days ago, China has promised to deliver it as soon as possible.
Tamil Nadu Chief Secretary K Shanmugam said on Saturday that there is a delay in receiving the rapid test kits ordered from China since the consignment meant for India was sent to the United States of America.
The Chief Secretary of Tamil Nadu, met the media after the conclusion of the state cabinet meeting headed by the Chief Minister at the Secretariat. To a question on the arrival of rapid anti-body test kits in Tamil Nadu, Shanmugam said that Tamil Nadu had independently placed orders for 1 lakh kits with China before the central government asked the state to do so.
“Rapid test kits have not yet reached India. When it reaches India, we will get it. We had placed order for one lakh kits even before the Government of India told us to. Then in a Chief Minister’s meeting, we were told to speed up the process and hence we placed an additional order of 50,000 kits. Three to four days ago, the Chief Minister said that since we have a lot of frontline workers and we will need to screen the quarantined region more, we will need more kits. Hence, we ordered two lakh kits more. (In total) Orders for four lakh kits have been placed,” explained the Chief Secretary.
Adding that the production of rapid test kits is limited in China, Shanmugam said that China has sent one consignment to the USA. “Since we had placed orders early, they have promised to give us at least 50,000 kits in the first consignment and then give us 50,000 more in the next consignment,” he stated.
The top bureaucrat informed that Chief Minister Edappadi Palaniswami had recommended the extension of lockdown by two more weeks in Tamil Nadu during the Chief Minister’s meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi earlier in the day. Shanmugam reiterated that the state government would abide by the Centre’s decision on the lockdown.
On Saturday, 58 new cases of COVID-19 were confirmed in the state, of which 47 cases arise from a single source event. This takes the total number of positive cases in Tamil Nadu to 969. A patient undergoing treatment for COVID-19 in Erode died on Saturday, taking the death toll 10. The state government has tested 9,842 samples till Saturday, of which results of 1,094 samples are pending.
https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/coronavirus-india-how-you-can-contribute-cause-122288
Is this true ?
Communalisation of COVID-19: After UAE, now Kuwait cracks whip on Islamophobes. 1 Indian sacked another under investigation amidst warning from Kuwaiti MP
http://www.jantakareporter.com/worl...gation-amidst-warning-from-kuwaiti-mp/287413/
Indian man from Karnataka sacked for insulting Islam, issues apology amidst likely arrest by Dubai Police
http://www.jantakareporter.com/worl...s-apology-amidst-likely-jail-sentence/287209/
http://www.jantakareporter.com/worl...gation-amidst-warning-from-kuwaiti-mp/287413/
Indian man from Karnataka sacked for insulting Islam, issues apology amidst likely arrest by Dubai Police
http://www.jantakareporter.com/worl...s-apology-amidst-likely-jail-sentence/287209/
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I wonder if same will to arrest is shown for people who on daily basis insult other religion in those countries.
That would be wrong and hypocritical on their part. Rules should be the same wherever in the world.
Anyway, your post is something you would hear in the school playground. What about him/her? Basically it's a tactic in which a person responds to an argument by focusing on someone else’s misconduct, with its implication that any criticism is invalid because no one is completely blameless. It's a blame game and mindset which never resolves differences and issues.
To be fair, I was the same with my earlier posts on the Caf. Credit to some great posters to have mended my ways.
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It should be but it isn't. That post wasn't in defense of that person at all. I feel it should be applied more strictly than how it is implemented right now. We just see the wrong that affects us and keep a blind eye to things that doesn't affect us.
I am just tired of seeing how people (and government) complain about other people religion when their own do something its barely even recognized.
You're repeating yourself with the same message using different words. Let's focus on bettering ourselves and not point fingers at other states and individuals who lack basic humanity.
Out of curiosity, how are these news relevant to this thread?
Our COVID aid not for Tablighis, jihadis, write Assam Foreigners’ Tribunals’ members
Pompa Chakravarty, one of the 12 contributors mentioned in the letter, had declared Mohammad Sanaullah, who retired as an Indian Army subedar after 30 years of service, a ‘foreigner’ last year. Sanaullah was put in a detention centre, and later granted bail by the Gauhati High Court. Sanaullah’s appeal against the FT order is pending in the court.
https://indianexpress.com/article/c...ighis-jihadis-write-assam-ft-members-6358438/
Pompa Chakravarty, one of the 12 contributors mentioned in the letter, had declared Mohammad Sanaullah, who retired as an Indian Army subedar after 30 years of service, a ‘foreigner’ last year. Sanaullah was put in a detention centre, and later granted bail by the Gauhati High Court. Sanaullah’s appeal against the FT order is pending in the court.
https://indianexpress.com/article/c...ighis-jihadis-write-assam-ft-members-6358438/
I think you're right. We need a separate dedicated thread for RSS and Hindutva extremists.
They(Gulf Countries) have never claimed to be a democracy or a secular country.
And yet you are posting it here.
Will post there once you make a new thread.
Not interested. Considering you are the one interested in posting such bs. Create a thread and post all your bs there and keep this thread for indian political topics.
RSS and Hindutva extremists are now very much part of Indian politics, so will be mentioned here and even if there's another thread. And if you have a problem with people mentioning them you're free not to enter this thread as no one is forcing you to enter.
Indians abroad are parroting the words of their politicians at home, how is that not political?
Again coming back to my original point, how does a random person who is an Indian saying or doing something idiotic relevant to this thread. That is what is call generalizing. Do you even realize how many Indians or indian origin are in this world. Posting everything jerkish they start doing would not make sense. Now If that person had some political affiliation then fine but how is that relevant to this thread. Unless ofcourse there are no rules in this thread and we can just post whatever suits everyone's agenda.
Stupidity at its best. You don't get inspired by all the bigotry on Indian media and social media and post nasty stuff in Islamic countries.
Every country has its own set of rules. You live by that rules when you are in that country. There are things that you can do in India, that you can't do in UAE. Likewise there are things you can do in UK/US that you can't do in India. Even in India, you can do some things in one state while you can't do the same in other states.
Finding the perfect "just and fair" law is a futile effort. It doesn't happen anywhere.
Guess what the guy Rakesh Kitturmath from Karnataka is a BJP member.
He is lucky he is in a country which has laws. In some countries, you just get lynched by random mob for such stuff.
Is this even Indian Political thread or just a thread to vent out frustration now? Remind me again how many "lynching" cases have been registered in last 5 years? You know what, atleast in India, it gets reported and overwhelming number of people actually don't support it. Same cant be said about countries which has "laws" according to you.
Lynchings for cow smugglers have always happened in India because cow is an important livelihood for millions of Indians. When you don't provide any legal recourse to villagers, what option do we give them (not condoning this, but this is the social reality which city intellectuals fail to understand). Lynchings have happened for Child traffickers too. Its far too easy to sit in metro city and pass judgement on people who struggle daily to put food on their children table.
Hardly few cases out of all such cases (which are very few to begin with) were religiously motivated and guess what random religious lynching mob are not an exclusive problem to one community. I would suggest to keep emotions in check and don't make generalizing comments like that.
Exactly. Half of the post has no relevance but are just posted to vent out their frustration.
India is a vast country. There are people who are stupid too. And clever people too.
But when you have politicians and pundits in the media spouting nonsense people will comment.
Foreigners will comment too especially when India bullies her neighbours
Anyone who has a go not only at Islam but the governments in the middle East is an imbecile if they think there would be no reaction.
But when you have politicians and pundits in the media spouting nonsense people will comment.
Foreigners will comment too especially when India bullies her neighbours
Anyone who has a go not only at Islam but the governments in the middle East is an imbecile if they think there would be no reaction.
Firstly it was a reply to your post expecting Islamic countries to have equal laws for Islam and other religions. So maybe you should have not posted anything, if you don't like people replying.
Secondly, I wasn't talking about lynching in India. I was talking about lynching for perceived anti-Islamic activities in other countries. So stop getting so touchy and writing long paragraphs about nothing.
Your post was ambiguous so I misinterpreted that. Maybe you are right, there was no need for an essay.
Also it wasn't an expectation, more of a sarcastic comment.
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Which country is India bullying exactly?
Who hasn't India bullied? Sri Lanka, Maldives, Nepal Bhutan?