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What is wrong with Uttar Pradesh and Bihar? Is it because the issues get high coverage there or the vilest collection of sick humans have been assembled there?
 

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What is wrong with Uttar Pradesh and Bihar? Is it because the issues get high coverage there or the vilest collection of sick humans have been assembled there?
I think it's a numbers thing. Those are 2 of India's most populous and backward states equating to a higher percentage of the country's despicable turds.
 

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BJP, Parivar outfits to intensify campaign against ‘love jihad’

‘New Shuddhi movement: Will free villages of Christians’
“Hindu mahilaon ka apmaan, nahi sahenge, nahi sahenge, (We will not tolerate the humiliation of Hindu women)”a handful of well-dressed city dwellers who descended on Sarawa village, 60 km east of Delhi, shouted outside the tumbledown house of a 20-year old girl who was allegedly raped and forcibly converted to Islam. Rakhi Tyagi, who led the women, said she was the Uttar Pradesh state general secretary of the Mahila Morcha, the women’s wing of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

According to a police complaint filed on August 3, the girl was abducted, kept in custody and raped by several men before being converted to Islam. Allegations are yet to be ascertained, said Alok Sharma, Inspector General of Police. “Only the girl can tell us truth, and whatever she says would be deemed true. The problem occurs when she gives contradictory versions.”

Also read: Incongruity in Meerut victim’s story

Ambiguities in the girl’s and her parents’ accounts of the incidents may impede the investigation but not the politics fuelled by the fact that the girl is a Hindu and the accused are Muslims. Dr Chandramohan, spokesperson of the UP State BJP, surrounded by several other party leaders at his home, told The Hindu, “This is part of a global love jihad that targets vulnerable Hindu girls who are entrapped and forced to convert to Islam. The BJP will oppose forced conversions and intervene on behalf of the victims,” he said, adding that social organisations would intensify awareness among the Hindus to be alert.

Awareness rallies

One such social organisation is (Religious Awakening), an affiliate of the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh (RSS). Rajeshwar Singh, its coordinator for the western UP region told The Hindu by phone from Agra that from August 23 to September 15, there would be rallies in all districts against conversions. “This incident has brought forth the urgency of the question of conversions yet again,” he said.

Mr Singh said the “real test of strength” would be in December, when his organisation plans to convert Muslims and Christians to Hinduism in two separate programmes.

“On December 23, the martyrdom day of Swami Shraddhanand (the leader of the 19th century Shuddhi (re-conversion) movement) we will convert Muslims to Hinduism in at least 50 locations in west UP,” he said. “On December 25, the day when Christians convert people to their religion, this year, we will do the reverse – by converting them back to Hinduism. In two-three years, the rural hinterland will be free of Christians.” Asked how he planned to convince people to become Hindus, he said: “It will be a test of who is stronger. Hindus or them. You just wait and watch.”

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“On December 23, the martyrdom day of Swami Shraddhanand (the leader of the 19th century Shuddhi (re-conversion) movement) we will convert Muslims to Hinduism in at least 50 locations in west UP,” he said. “On December 25, the day when Christians convert people to their religion, this year, we will do the reverse – by converting them back to Hinduism. In two-three years, the rural hinterland will be free of Christians.” Asked how he planned to convince people to become Hindus, he said: “It will be a test of who is stronger. Hindus or them. You just wait and watch.”
What ridiculousness !!!
 

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http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...utm_medium=Homepage&utm_campaign=Widget Promo

In the 55-minutes video issued overnight, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, the successor to Osama Bin Laden, is seen focussing on a map of the Indian peninsula. The Union Home Ministry on Thursday sounded an alert across several States hours after al-Qaeda chief Ayman Al-Zawahiri announced the formation of an Indian wing to open a campaign in the subcontinent.

The video claim set off a flurry of activity, with Home Minister Rajnath Singh convening a high-level meeting with officials, including National Security Adviser Ajit Doval and the Director of the Intelligence Bureau. Senior officials said the government was treating the visuals as genuine and the claim with “all requisite seriousness”. The Ministry directed state police forces to put together action plans to guard against recruitment for the international group. As the al-Qaeda chief referred to some places, authorities in different states also went on alert.

As of date, intelligence sources say, there is no evidence of any al-Qaeda presence in India. Senior officials said the government would focus on efforts to guard against recruitment, particularly in foreign-funded madrassas.
Just three days before Al Qaeda announced launching of its Indian branch, security agencies have foiled the plans of four youngsters of Hyderabad from joining the Islamic State, a Sunni jihadist group that is controlling large swathes of Iraq and Syria.

The four youngsters, whose names the police withheld, were taken into custody in Kolkata on Sunday last, when they were allegedly planning to cross over to Bangladesh. Their plan was to reach Iraq and then join the fighters of Islamic State, police sources disclosed. The four youngsters were pursuing their engineering courses in Hyderabad and were attracted to the propaganda unleashed by the Islamic State on social media platforms inviting youth to join ‘jihad’ and its fighters in the conflict zones of Syria and Iraq.

Interestingly, the Hyderabad police did not register any cases against these youngsters, but counselled them and their parents before releasing them. Officials, who did not want to the named, said they had not committed any crime in India and hence arresting them was not warranted. The youths went missing for over a week and that’s how sleuths began observing their online activity and tracked them to Kolkata.

Sources said the Islamic State had been hyperactive on social media platforms trying to attract people to join its forces. Those who respond the calls on social media were sent crypted messages and asked to visit other websites and then their itinerary is planned by their handlers.
So the cycle is back on! Hard times ahead for India.

Even modern education fails to educate radicalistic thoughts.
 

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Why aren't the kashmiris pelting stones at the army now ? Where are the bearded bafoons, why aren't they helping out ?
 

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Not the right time for this. As long as India lays any claim to Kashmir, it is her obligation to do everything to help the state in its hour of need without any show of high-handedness.
Why not ? I am questioning the radical separatists who spread misinformation and incite the people against the army. The army as a professional force will do its duty.
 

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Why not ? I am questioning the radical separatists who spread misinformation and incite the people against the army. The army as a professional force will do its duty.
They can't very well throw stones at the policy makers. They don't want army interfering with their day to day lives in the normal course of things, which sadly due to the circumstances there it does. This is anything but a normal situation.
 

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They can't very well throw stones at the policy makers. They don't want army interfering with their day to day lives in the normal course of things, which sadly due to the circumstances there it does. This is anything but a normal situation.
All said and done, the entire situation has helped J&K and the rest of India come a little closer. Folks in J&K appreciate the help they've been getting from the rest of the country. They also see the kind of priority which the PM and the rest of the government has given to the flood relief situation- all which adds to the goodwill. Its a sad situation, but if something good comes out of it - fantastic.

Even Ghulam Nabi Azad praised Modi yesterday for his decisive actions
 

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Why aren't the kashmiris pelting stones at the army now ? Where are the bearded bafoons, why aren't they helping out ?
The more pertinent question is, where is the outpouring of help,support and sympathy from Pakistan? Surely they should feel obliged to do their bits, for the land they feel so strongly about?:rolleyes:

Media is blowing it out of proportion IMO, for the time being at least. We certainly do need to watch out for these ISIS cnuts though. They are potentially far far more dangerous than the al Qaeda.
 

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The more pertinent question is, where is the outpouring of help,support and sympathy from Pakistan? Surely they should feel obliged to do their bits, for the land they feel so strongly about?:rolleyes:
They cant help themselves what will they help others, moreover they are accusing that India deliberately opened the dams to cause floods. Whats pathetic is that there are many across the border that actually believe it.
 

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All said and done, the entire situation has helped J&K and the rest of India come a little closer. Folks in J&K appreciate the help they've been getting from the rest of the country. They also see the kind of priority which the PM and the rest of the government has given to the flood relief situation- all which adds to the goodwill. Its a sad situation, but if something good comes out of it - fantastic.

Even Ghulam Nabi Azad praised Modi yesterday for his decisive actions
I see that the propaganda merchants are getting out in force again. Kashmir is really not worth the amount of effort it takes us to keep it integrated with this country. Morons.

http://kashmirwatch.com/news.php/2014/09/10/indian-army-rescue-women-leaving-men-to-die.html

Indian Army rescue women, leaving men to die

Srinagar: It is too late and slow rescue operation by Indian army in the flood hit areas of Kashmir. As millions of People are still trapped in collapsed and flooded houses. Roads are blocked by falling trees and electric poles. They don�t take local guides on their boats to reach the trapped people. Deliberate tactics to kill Kashmiris, says a human rights activist to Kashmir Watch.

Indian Army is less effective to take operations to rescue people. No mikes in boats of Army. People who are stranded are trapped inside collapsed houses as Indian Army men are reportedly avoiding to rescue men folks and just searching for women with bad intensions of molestation, revealed a human rights activist from Srinagar to KW.

India has not yet pressed into service its flood combating units of Naval and marine teams or National Disaster Response Force (NDRF), a disaster response agency. It is almost now fifth day that Indian Army has started low speed rescue operation even knowing that the disaster is at high scale.

Several battalions of the army and navy were used to evacuate people when Cyclone Phailin hit in the states of Andhra Pradesh, Odisha and Jharkhand last year, but in Kashmir we don�t see such type of a rescue operation, told the human rights activist. He said that Indian face is again exposed to the people of Kashmir and it will further widen the gap between the people and Indian Govt.
 
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Indian Army rescue women, leaving men to die

Srinagar: It is too late and slow rescue operation by Indian army in the flood hit areas of Kashmir. As millions of People are still trapped in collapsed and flooded houses. Roads are blocked by falling trees and electric poles. They don�t take local guides on their boats to reach the trapped people. Deliberate tactics to kill Kashmiris, says a human rights activist to Kashmir Watch.

Indian Army is less effective to take operations to rescue people. No mikes in boats of Army. People who are stranded are trapped inside collapsed houses as Indian Army men are reportedly avoiding to rescue men folks and just searching for women with bad intensions of molestation, revealed a human rights activist from Srinagar to KW.

India has not yet pressed into service its flood combating units of Naval and marine teams or National Disaster Response Force (NDRF), a disaster response agency. It is almost now fifth day that Indian Army has started low speed rescue operation even knowing that the disaster is at high scale.

Several battalions of the army and navy were used to evacuate people when Cyclone Phailin hit in the states of Andhra Pradesh, Odisha and Jharkhand last year, but in Kashmir we don�t see such type of a rescue operation, told the human rights activist. He said that Indian face is again exposed to the people of Kashmir and it will further widen the gap between the people and Indian Govt.
Whoever wrote that, its seriously ridiculous. This is a time when Army is getting plaudits, and these guys write this shit. Meh
 

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Indian Army rescue women, leaving men to die
:lol:

There are some bitter people in this country. You know the rescue job has been good when even Digvijay Singh and Ghulam Nabi Azad praise Modi. Army deserves all the plaudits,I hope idiots like those above are a minority in Kashmir.
 

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More jingoistic pride gone mad!

http://www.thehindu.com/sport/other-sports/government-puts-its-foot-down/article6395059.ece



In a significant and unprecedented move, the Government on Tuesday decided not to consider clearance for teams at “no cost to the Government” basis and the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) was also particular about bringing the number of officials accompanying the Indian contingent down to the bare minimum for the Asian Games.

Government officials had to work overtime to prune the list which led to considerable delay in the clearance of the team, after the matter was referred to the PMO.

The Union Sports Ministry also clarified that the clearance of the football and handball teams was on a ‘one time’ basis.

While giving the green signal to a 679-member contingent, the Ministry, in consultation with the PMO, stated, “It has been decided that ‘no cost to government’ shall not be a consideration for finalising the national contingent.”

Previously, teams could take part in such Games with government clearance on the condition that it would not foot the bill.

But, the latest move means that when there is no chance of a medal, even the federations will not be allowed to send their squads as the government will not clear their participation.

It was stressed that this policy would be adopted in future also. “Why should you go and participate when it is known that you will not fare well.

“It is not a matter of just funding the team’s participation. It involves the country’s reputation,” was how the Sports Ministry argued the case.

Giving priority to the needs of the top athletes, the Ministry decided to allow Vimal Kumar to accompany Olympic medallist Saina Nehwal as coach.

Equally, London Games bronze medallist and five-time World Champion, Mary Kom’s point of view was taken into consideration in stopping a Sports Authority of India (SAI) coach Hemlata Singh Bagdwal, from being part of the team.
 

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I'm undecided on this. It really IS embarassing when we go to Olympics and come in bottom 3 of medals tally. I'd rather the money spent on sending them there with no hope be spent on developing their skills for a future medal.
but this isn't the olympics and the only way we are going to progress is if we participate. there is no way of really knowing how good we are unless we participate in a competitive environment. and the criteria being used is here is 'can you win a medal?'. so if the PMO which doesn't have a clue about sports thinks that you are not going to come 3rd or better they are not allowing participation. that is stupidity. let the association decide and make the call.
 

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but this isn't the olympics and the only way we are going to progress is if we participate. there is no way of really knowing how good we are unless we participate in a competitive environment. and the criteria being used is here is 'can you win a medal?'. so if the PMO which doesn't have a clue about sports thinks that you are not going to come 3rd or better they are not allowing participation. that is stupidity. let the association decide and make the call.
Nah, I don't think it is the case. If the margin of loss is slim, we can participate, but as in many events, we don't even make the top 5 or even the top 10. It's not the best of India who should participate, but who can compete with the best of the world. And the world/tournament records are public. If anyone is close with a chance of beating them, let them go. Other can stay back.
 

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Nah, I don't think it is the case. If the margin of loss is slim, we can participate, but as in many events, we don't even make the top 5 or even the top 10. It's not the best of India who should participate, but who can compete with the best of the world. And the world/tournament records are public. If anyone is close with a chance of beating them, let them go. Other can stay back.
by that logic we shouldn't have participated in the 1983 world cup, since we weren't necessarily a top 5 country in a pool of 10. and if you are not going to allow participation how are the athletes/players going to be motivated to train
 

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by that logic we shouldn't have participated in the 1983 world cup, since we weren't necessarily a top 5 country in a pool of 10. and if you are not going to allow participation how are the athletes/players going to be motivated to train
Not even a parallel argument as Cricket vs Other sports in India should not even be compared. Even before 1983 we were a major player in Cricket. Gavaaskar and the new breed of Azhar, Venky, Shastri etc were capable of winning the tournament.

If we had athletes like Milkha Singh or PT Usha, go and well compete. Again I'm not saying boycott major games, but raise the internal cut-off to ensure that we send people who are capable of winning...and not just local champions who are below average at world level. Quality over Quantity.
 

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Not even a parallel argument as Cricket vs Other sports in India should not even be compared. Even before 1983 we were a major player in Cricket. Gavaaskar and the new breed of Azhar, Venky, Shastri etc were capable of winning the tournament.

If we had athletes like Milkha Singh or PT Usha, go and well compete. Again I'm not saying boycott major games, but raise the internal cut-off to ensure that we send people who are capable of winning...and not just local champions who are below average at world level. Quality over Quantity.
1983 was a complete shock, you can't deny that. and we talking about Asian games here, and there is no way we are going to improve if we are not going to allow teams to participate in tournaments/games. participating in SAARC is going to absolutely nothing for our ability to compete at the world level.

since a lot of training takes place for specific events, by denying participation you are taking away even that chance for improvement. 'quality over quantity' not relevant here, since the only way to get quality is through quantity.
 

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This isn't a simple issue though. One of my friends was cut from the squad because he was 5th in the national long jump competition, but he said there were at least 25 people on the administrative capacity and coaching position that was not needed. Those are freebies given to the guys who grease the officials.
 

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I'm quietly impressed by Modi so far. There will be always some drip-feed about the treatment of minorities, but that would be the case under Congress as well. This year is quiet optimism, and we all hope that this government can do something good for the people. At the ground though, it's been almost status quo with corruption etc. Given time, hopefully there will be giant strides made.
 

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1983 was a complete shock, you can't deny that. and we talking about Asian games here, and there is no way we are going to improve if we are not going to allow teams to participate in tournaments/games. participating in SAARC is going to absolutely nothing for our ability to compete at the world level.

since a lot of training takes place for specific events, by denying participation you are taking away even that chance for improvement. 'quality over quantity' not relevant here, since the only way to get quality is through quantity.
I'm not saying it's useless. Yes, it does gets valuable exposure and adds experience...but that should be reserved for valid contestants only. Validity here is not India top, but one of the top globally.

I don't agree with the 'cannot have improvement' arguement. We are just setting the cut off higher. If anyone wants to participate internationally, get that cut off and no one will stop you. In fact this will enhance improvement as the ability to participate is a prize and not a default. Sportsmen will strive harder for it, per se.

Quantity in India, Quality for International is what I meant. No one is stopping participation quantity will not be imapcted. But only quality goes abroad.
 

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Flooding is horrible. Not this scale but in 2005 when Chennai was hit by monsoon that laid bare the non-existant drainage fecilities...it was just so bad. The whole area was flooded. People had to move up a floor and were sleeping in stairs/corridors as ground floor units were knee deep in water. Worse were the insects and mosquitoes. Creepy crawlies everywhere on ground and flies filled the air.

Kashmir is far worse and I can imagine the suffering of those there! Horrible.
 

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The pics you posted above @VidaRed just inspired me to donate a thousand bucks to PMNRF. Thanks.
Speaking about the Pm's relief fund,why does it show as website is not trustworthy? The mail i got after donatiing to it even went to spam. Same thing happened to some of my friends..

Great job by the Army and Air force,such a shame some idiots resort to stone pelting.
 

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So what do you all think of reversals suffered by BJP in recent polls? Surely that's too soon for people being disillusioned?

I understand Modi has lot more time spent on getting blessings from monther pics on facebook, but expecting results so soon is just insane!
 

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this bye-elections don't really mean anything. wait for the assembly elections but even that isn't a referendum on the central government.

this only means that their strategy/tactics in these by-polls failed
 

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So what do you all think of reversals suffered by BJP in recent polls? Surely that's too soon for people being disillusioned?

I understand Modi has lot more time spent on getting blessings from monther pics on facebook, but expecting results so soon is just insane!
They need to kick out the likes yogi and that other buffoon who came out with the rates for girls. These topics wont get them votes, they need to remember what got them to power ie good governance and improving economy.

Today on timesnow subramanium swamy called a viewer an idiot because he asked how much time bjp needed to issue a circular that would disentitle vip's from delaying planes etc..
 

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So what do you all think of reversals suffered by BJP in recent polls? Surely that's too soon for people being disillusioned?

In UP they have been running a campaign based on pure polarisation (love jihad, madrasas, meat exports funding terror). For sure it didn't succeed but it may not have been a total failure.

- In May 2014 every single thing was right for the BJP- people wanted to vote out an unpopular government, there was genuine excitement generated by Modi's development campaign, anti-BJP votes were split between SP, BSP and Congress on caste lines, and Hindu consolidation because of the Muzaffarnagar riots. Riding on these 4 simultaneous waves, the BJP got 50% of the vote in UP.


- This time there was no unpopular incumbent at the center to defeat, there was no messiah of change to vote for, and BSP had withdrawn meaning almost all anti-BJP votes went to SP. The votes that had gone to BJP because of Modi and because people hated the UPA were now "in play", and, in a straight fight with the SP, (given that they had exactly 50% previously) they needed newer voters to win. Perhaps the BJP felt that the best strategy would be to ensure complete Hindu consolidation by raising love jihad, objections to mosque flags/ loudspeakers, etc. Evidently this didn't work everywhere (though they did win with an even bigger margin in Saharanpur, where Adityanath campaigned hard)


- But this is all for UP alone. In general, BJP has lost a lot of seats in their strongholds- Gujarat, MP, Rajasthan.
Again they ran a Hindutva campaign in Gujarat (no Muslims in garba) with rumours swirling that Anandiben Patel can't control the VHP/RSS- who are anyway emboldened with Modi in power at the centre.
In Rajasthan apparently Sachin Pilot did a good job of rallying Congress cadres. Another factor could be some drastic moves by Vasundhara Raje's government- she broke a campaign promise and withdrew some popular schemes of the previous Congress government-free medicines, employment guarantee in tribal areas, and also scrapped labour laws so much that the BJP's own union was protesting.
(not very sure about these but remember some reports about resentment in Indian Express 1-2 months ago)


Is this an anti Modi (disillusionment) vote?
Modi did raise expectations sky-high with his campaign, I heard some talk on the street about how we are going to show Pakistan their place or how our roaring economy will push China from our borders, how everyone would soon get jobs- ridiculous stuff, which Modi was feeding on. People built their own utopian acche din and voted for him based on that.

In this backdrop, he should have made sure his beginning was both populist and flawless. It wasn't. The killer was the fuel price hike a few weeks after coming to power and some statements by Jaitley (on the Delhi rape case and on inflation) that sounded so very UPA and so very insensitive to people's concerns. I think that would have deflated a lot of hope.


That said, BJP-SS (if they stay in alliance) will surely win Maharashtra. >5 years of (probable) Modi-Thackeray rule for a leftist with environmental concerns- I am not sure how sane I will be at the end of it. Supreme Court zindabad, I guess (if Modi doesn't gut it first, of course)
 

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I so so want the TMC to be voted out, even if it means swapping them for the BJP :(
 

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What is happening to wb :(