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That is correctAll of them are CR or Madrid fans.
That is correctAll of them are CR or Madrid fans.
No. I literally said there's an element of self-deprecating humour to it.So you honestly read those two sentences, and they scream out to you - yep, Baddiel is saying that the song means England are better than everyone else?
Yeah, that's well put! Obviously I didn't phrase it very well the first time.I understand your last point now, the Dutch are almost like the Brazilians, this tournament excluded. They usually have one of larger, more vocal, more visual fan bases, so they do definitely give that impression. I can't speak for how your average Dutch person is affected by a loss, would be curious to have been there this week, and see if the loss lingers, or if everyone just immediately moves on with life.
jajaj now we all love Rafa, back then Del Potro said that he was going to sacar loss calzones del orto a Nadal, obviously he was joking cause they are friends since they were young and it was a messThank you for the explanation. The truth is that seeing the tone of many Mexicans on twitter it would seem that they were expecting a disputed match.
The Mexicans attacked a lot with the economy (Argentinian waiters in México?) and the Argentinians with the security issue, narcos, etc. And then Canelo understood what he wanted with the t-shirt issue on the floor and the insults continued for a few days.
The banter in social media/forums comes from long before Messi-Cristiano. I'm not saying it's exclusive to Argentina because Peruvians, Bolivians or Colombians also have their share.
I still remember Marca being flooded with Argentinians making fun of every defeat of Nadal, even when he was very young, and us when it was our turn with del Potro obviously
Treacherousness personified.U.S. hates Mexico and vise versa. The rivalry can get a bit nasty but i've always likened it to a little brother versus big brother thing. Now the little brother is better (for the moment). Being an American of Mexican descent i of course root for USA but dont mind if Mexico does well. 3rd gen will do that to you.
USA first of course. (deal wit it )Treacherousness personified.
Every thought about a wall?U.S. hates Mexico and vise versa. The rivalry can get a bit nasty but i've always likened it to a little brother versus big brother thing. Now the little brother is better (for the moment). Being an American of Mexican descent i of course root for USA but dont mind if Mexico does well. 3rd gen will do that to you.
Of course it has - they are being disingenuousNo. I literally said there's an element of self-deprecating humour to it.
Where I disagree is the notion that the usage or intention by fans hasn't at all evolved since 1996.
Is any England fan overconfident? I wasn't confident facing the French, and neither were pretty much everyone I spoke to about. We never win games like that. We have a history of losing them games.Yeah it’s got nothing whatsoever to do with the original song or it’s self deprecating lyrics …pull the other one. It’s a phrase in its own right at this stage synonymously associated with the English media and fans (not all but enough for other nationalities to laugh about) being seemingly overly confident, whether during qualifying or in the early stages of any tournament. Other teams seem happy to take it round by round - the English start asking if it’s coming home before a ball is even kicked. It would be a sin not to take the piss out of them when they inevitably fuk it up.
it will haunt them till they win something. But it’s all a bit of fun…everyone deserves the piss taken out of them at some point.
He doesn't want to mention WW2, but thats what he is aiming at. Bit of a farfetched thing.Yeah, me too. I'm wondering what's special about Germany in this regard that makes the issue in question so unsurprising.
Seems weird that you quoted it as some kind of proof of your point then. That's what really confused me.No. I literally said there's an element of self-deprecating humour to it.
Where I disagree is the notion that the usage or intention by fans hasn't at all evolved since 1996.
Mexican fans are very passionate about football, TBH, I don’t think we have anything to envy other nations in regards to support and atmosphere. Football is the most watched and popular sport in Mexico and it has been like that since always.Thank you for the explanation. The truth is that seeing the tone of many Mexicans on twitter it would seem that they were expecting a disputed match.
The Mexicans attacked a lot with the economy (Argentinian waiters in México?) and the Argentinians with the security issue, narcos, etc. And then Canelo understood what he wanted with the t-shirt issue on the floor and the insults continued for a few days.
The banter in social media/forums comes from long before Messi-Cristiano. I'm not saying it's exclusive to Argentina because Peruvians, Bolivians or Colombians also have their share.
I still remember Marca being flooded with Argentinians making fun of every defeat of Nadal, even when he was very young, and us when it was our turn with del Potro obv
This is the bit I don't believe at all. No other team except England looks at the different teams they might face and tries to work out whether they can hope to win the games? No other country's media gives their team any chance of winning it until they're a couple of goals up in the final? No-one, ahead of a tournament, takes any time at all to try to judge what their chances are?Other teams seem happy to take it round by round - the English start asking if it’s coming home before a ball is even kicked.
Pretty sure Croatia - Serbia and Serbia - Albania would be well ahead of Italy vs France or Germany vs Netherlands.Brazil - Argentina is probably the biggest rivalry in the international football. Closely followed by:
Italy - France
Germany - Netherlands
Croatia - Serbia
Agree with this, but not your overall view.So you don't think it's disrespectful to Morocco who have achieved more and beaten better teams than England have not only at this tournament but at every tournament since at least 1966?
Yes England would be bookmakers favourite. What's that got to do with anything? Morocco will have been underdogs in every game they've played. So what?
Of course they do.. International football is full of chauvinism and mythology.This is the bit I don't believe at all. No other team except England looks at the different teams they might face and tries to work out whether they can hope to win the games? No other country's media gives their team any chance of winning it until they're a couple of goals up in the final? No-one, ahead of a tournament, takes any time at all to try to judge what their chances are?
Nah.
Sorry, but maybe learn the history of Ireland before making yourself look stupid by posting such tripe and bullshit, as it was never fecking about "arrogance" between Ireland and the English, we were never really at their level, well maybe a 4-year period 88-92, it was more due to 800 years of murder and land robbing is where the hatred and love of watching them fail stems from and not fecking arrogance, as of all the teams we ever hosted here in Ireland, and it's been many, none ever got a game forced off after 26 mins due to violence from their scumbag fans and 27 years later only once have they ever been invited back.England (the footballing side) aren't just hated (I don't mean actually literally hated , more that people are happy to see them fail) by Argentinans, Irish and Scottish people due to misplaced arrogance though.
There is far more to it than that, the arrogance is only the cherry on top of the cake for those nations.
In fact I would say that the arrogance etc is less of a factor now then it ever was.
Sorry, but maybe learn the history of Ireland before making yourself look stupid by posting such tripe and bullshit, as it was never fecking about "arrogance" between Ireland and the English, it was due to 800 years of murder and land robbing is where the hatred and love of watching them fail stems from and not fecking arrogance, as of all the teams we ever hosted here in Ireland, and it's been many, none ever got a game forced off after 26 mins due to violence from their scumbag fans and 27 years later not once have they ever been invited back.
England (the footballing side) aren't just hated (I don't mean actually literally hated , more that people are happy to see them fail) by Argentinans, Irish and Scottish people due to misplaced arrogance though.
There is far more to it than that, the arrogance is only the cherry on top of the cake for those nations.
In fact I would say that the arrogance etc is less of a factor now then it ever was.
Well there has been some shocking lack of awareness over the years, though I think it has gotten better recently. This is off the top of my head but i can remember:I don't get the media complaints about England, they're English centered so of course they overtly focus on their national team, im pretty sure every other country does it as well (usa,Germany,Italy and South Americans) so it does seem a bit daft to hold that against them.
Well there has been some shocking lack of awareness over the years, though I think it has gotten better recently. This is off the top of my head but i can remember:
These sort of things have felt common for awhile and at the time they rarely got challenged or highlighted. Perhaps other nation's media do it too but it's always seemed particularly bad in the English media.
- Mark Lawrenson said not a single Italian player would get into the England side when the two faced each other in 2012; the Italian team had Buffon, Bonucci, De Rossi, Marchiso and Pirlo. If you want a good laugh check out the England players that lined up that day
- I remember Phil Neville commentating on a Uruguay match at a world cup and saying he thought the Uruguayans might go "further in the competition than they ever had before" (they've won it twice Phil and also about a million Copa Americas too)
- All the downplaying of Croatia in 2018 and constant talk about England's final (forgetting a Croatian team that had prime Luka fecking Modric and Ivan Rakitic in their midfield)
I get that, those are all extremely chauvinistic irrational and undoubtedly dumb but again I don't think it's necessarily exclusive to the English, the American media for example is genuinely horrendously and while I'm not as well versed in the south American media they to seem to fall in the same general pitfalls, same with the Germans,Italians and the Dutch (who at times act like their a gift from God even though I like them very much) so to specifically highlight that against England is Strange.Well there has been some shocking lack of awareness over the years, though I think it has gotten better recently. This is off the top of my head but i can remember:
These sort of things have felt common for awhile and at the time they rarely got challenged or highlighted. Perhaps other nation's media do it too but it's always seemed particularly bad in the English media.
- Mark Lawrenson said not a single Italian player would get into the England side when the two faced each other in 2012; the Italian team had Buffon, Bonucci, De Rossi, Marchiso and Pirlo. If you want a good laugh check out the England players that lined up that day
- I remember Phil Neville commentating on a Uruguay match at a world cup and saying he thought the Uruguayans might go "further in the competition than they ever had before" (they've won it twice Phil and also about a million Copa Americas too)
- All the downplaying of Croatia in 2018 and constant talk about England's final (forgetting a Croatian team that had prime Luka fecking Modric and Ivan Rakitic in their midfield)
"England (the footballing side) aren't just hated (I don't mean actually literally hated , more that people are happy to see them fail) by Argentinans, Irish and Scottish people due to misplaced arrogance though.I'm well aware of Irelands history.
Which is why I said they ARENT just hated due to misplaced arrogance.
That there is far more to it than that and the arrogance was just the cherry on top of the cake.
Thats one sentence.As one minute you are claiming its a misplaced arrogance and the next you are saying there's more to it, so which one do you believe of the two sentences you wrote.
I was talking about what you wrote not me and are you for real, so now it's someone else that said that you're claiming, funny that given your post was the first to use the term "misplaced arrogance" and no-one else prior to that post I originally quoted you on used that term.Thats one sentence.
Are you drunk or something?
I never claimed it was misplaced arrogance , I responded to a poster that said it was due to misplaced arrogance.
"England aren't just hated by Argentinians, Irish and Scottish people due to misplaced arrogance though"
Tommy you have massive comprehension issues.Are you for real, so now it's someone else that said that you're claiming, funny that given your post was the first to use the term "misplaced arrogance"
I don't think England is hated in that many countries, but the same for the reason you guys think England is hated, people don't want you to win anything. Misplaced arrogance, the "it's coming home thing", very fun to watch it fall apart. But it's not hatred.
You are making yourself look silly now.England (the footballing side) aren't just hated (I don't mean actually literally hated , more that people are happy to see them fail) by Argentinans, Irish and Scottish people due to misplaced arrogance though.
There is far more to it than that, the arrogance is only the cherry on top of the cake for those nations.
In fact I would say that the arrogance etc is less of a factor now then it ever was.
England (the footballing side) aren't just hated people are happy to see them fail) by Argentinans, Irish and Scottish people due to misplaced arrogance though.Tommy you have massive comprehension issues.
You are making yourself look silly now.
I know all about Irish history, Argentina history and Scottish history which is why I said that it wasn't just about misplaced arrogance.
I told him Ireland didn't hate England due to misplaced arrogance.England (the footballing side) aren't just hated people are happy to see them fail) by Argentinans, Irish and Scottish people due to misplaced arrogance though.
There is far more to it than that, the arrogance is only the cherry on top of the cake for those nations.
So again I will ask why use that term and don't dare say someone else said it, they didn't name a country, you did, got pulled up on it and now taken to insults. And you did say it in your first sentence and then changed it in your second sentence, as clearly shown. Terranovas post mentioned no names and used the song as a thing, and that's what he meant by arrogance.
Misplaced arrogance, the "it's coming home thing", very fun to watch it fall apart.
So he makes it about a fecking song, You included Ireland in "Misplaced arrogance", not him.
You started off with this bizarrely aggressive post;England (the footballing side) aren't just hated (I don't mean actually literally hated , more that people are happy to see them fail) by Argentinans, Irish and Scottish people due to misplaced arrogance though.
When it's in fact you who look stupid for not being able to see that I'm telling the poster that it's not just about misplaced arrogance.Sorry, but maybe learn the history of Ireland before making yourself look stupid by posting such tripe and bullshit,
Not as odd as Americans who think English humour just consists of Benny Hill and Monty PythonYeah it does seem to be missed be many oddly.
Our sense of humour is very self deprecating and sarcastic though which doesn’t always translate very well between languages etc
People know. But it's never really sung after a loss, only when you are hoping for a win, it is also sung/written a lot by cocky English people who are certainly not using it for self-deprecation. The ones using it for self-deprecation are fine of course.Does the entire world genuinely not get that "its coming home" is taking the piss out of ourselves?
You understand that it's a lyric from 3 Lions, right? And have you heard the words of that song, the ones that are all about how we constantly fail?
He never MENTIONED a country you did, and then posted "England (the footballing side) aren't just hated (I don't mean actually literally hated , more that people are happy to see them fail) by Argentinans, Irish and Scottish people due to misplaced arrogance thoughI told him Ireland didn't hate England due to misplaced arrogance.
I told him that it was due to more than that.
You didn't pull me up on anything, you are either drunk or have an inability to comprehend sentences.
When it's in fact you who look stupid for not being able to see that I'm telling the poster that it's not just about misplaced arrogance.
Because he quoted a post of mine where I said that the Argentinians, Irish and Scottish hate (in a footballing sense) the English national team!He never MENTIONED a country you did, and then posted "England (the footballing side) aren't just hated (I don't mean actually literally hated , more that people are happy to see them fail) by Argentinans, Irish and Scottish people due to misplaced arrogance though"
A gezzer with an iq of 180 couldn't make out what the hell you are trying to say with that nonsense, as that says to me, we and the other 2 hate them due to misplaced arrogance.