Well, they're two quality footballers I don't think of as legends. It's a pretty straightforward comparison really, one you could throw a lot of other players into. I just picked Ribery because he was the most decorated player I could think of who also never remotely became a legend in my mind. Plus they're both French.
At a club level, probably due to playing for Bayern.
You think it was wine and roses for Totti in his 20 year career at Roma, that he was loved when he flirted with Real Madrid, or that he was never booed?
The past always looks better the further away we're from it.
What the feck is a legend? Is Beckham a legend? Giggs? Scholes? Cantona? Keane? Schmeichel? Platini? Zidane?
You could probably have left out "FIFA World Cup Fantasy McDonald's Overall Eleven". I'm not sure the number of fantasy football obsessives who will remember Griezmann's point scoring exploits for generations to come is really large enough to carry much sway in this debate.
they're mainly individual honours not trophies won, I don’t see your point.
Half of those are pretty shite as well let’s be honest. Most of them are third place finishes or player of the month
We’re talking legends here.....bring up Zidane’s page or Ronaldo’s where they’ve actually won real things and compare them.
A player like Juan Mata has won 10+ more than Griezmann including a World Cup, European Championship, Champions League multiple Premier League titles......Mata isnt exactly a legendary figure either.
Griezmann is a very good player, he’s wont be a legend though.
I could have, but I didn't.
Agreed.
Zidane won 3 leagues in 10 seasons at Juve and Real Madrid, 1 UCL to show at club level.they're mainly individual honours not trophies won, I don’t see your point.
Half of those are pretty shite as well let’s be honest. Most of them are third place finishes or player of the month
We’re talking legends here.....bring up Zidane’s page or Ronaldo’s where they’ve actually won real things and compare them.
A player like Juan Mata has won 10+ more than Griezmann including a World Cup, European Championship, Champions League multiple Premier League titles......Mata isnt exactly a legendary figure either.
Griezmann is a very good player, he’s wont be a legend though.
I've seen some bullshit spouted in this forum but this is surely in the top 3. That France team won't function without Griezmann
Personnally I would like to see :
.Exciting for sure, but all hypothetical, the only fact is France won the WC with Griezmann as a key player, alongside Mbappe, Kante, Varane and Pogba.Personnally I would like to see :
----------------------Mbappé--------------------------
Martial-------------Pogba----------------Dembélé
----------------Kante----------Tolisso---------------------
Hernandez----Umtiti-----Varane-------Pavard
---------------------------Lloris-------------------------------
I don't know if they could win the world cup with this team but
You don’t think Gordon Banks is a legend? Bobby Moore?they're mainly individual honours not trophies won, I don’t see your point.
Half of those are pretty shite as well let’s be honest. Most of them are third place finishes or player of the month
We’re talking legends here.....bring up Zidane’s page or Ronaldo’s where they’ve actually won real things and compare them.
A player like Juan Mata has won 10+ more than Griezmann including a World Cup, European Championship, Champions League multiple Premier League titles......Mata isnt exactly a legendary figure either.
Griezmann is a very good player, he’s wont be a legend though.
More legit than most of caftards fo shure...
Half on penalty or set pieces tbf.
Not arguing Griezmann is a very good player because he is. I don't remember him being great - I don't think France were all that great but turned it on when it mattered at the World Cup though. Griezmann scored 3 or 4 penalties but wasn't all that great was he?
Do they not count as goals or assists then?
Which are direct contributions and at the exception of a couple of games, he has been excellent in game too.
Well he was, he played his part in a team victory, he was the main cog in transition and contributed to the balance of the team.
He was good in 2016 but in 2018 he wasn't that good.
A team that were quite average for the majority of the tournament and turned it on when it mattered. Anyway not arguing that Griezmann is a great player just don't think he was great at the WC.
Exactly. He is just a fantastic team player, wish we signed him last year. His work rate, technical ability, set pieces are just brilliant.
Pogba*
Nope. While Pogba had a great World cup too, the main cog in transition was Griezmann, he was the one initiating the pressing, covering on the entire width and he was the go to player when a quick counter attack wasn't possible.
He wouldn't have fitted here anyway. We don't play 2 man midfield to utilize Pogbas skillset and Griezman isn't a RW but second striker so it would've been disaster in the end. It was a bullet dodged.
We are playing with false 9 or whatever role Lingard, Mata played. There is no better fit than Grienzmann. He works as hard as anyone, his technical skill is top class. He also creates and scores lot of goals.
No Steven Gerrard is.
My fault. I thought you were talking about attacking transition. It right that Griezmann was the one initiating the pressing.
It's not always possible to play the false 9. At home especially we need width and the money should always have gone into a RW which is still yet to happen. Plus griezmann has always played better off a target man ie Giroud, Costa, Torres , Mandzukic etc . It should also be noted that France in their first world cup game played a front three of griezmann flanked by dembele and mbappe and it didn't work so deschamps switched it back to 4-2-3-1/442 with Giroud leading the line.
