Walters_19_MuFc
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What an idiot!
I don't even get how the gorilla emoji is even relevant to Onana and the penalty save he made.
I don't even get how the gorilla emoji is even relevant to Onana and the penalty save he made.
There's so many emojis he could have used to compare Onana to ''something strong''. If you can't see how using the gorilla emoji would attract the wrong attention to him (he did, as he deleted it) then there's no point having a discussion with you.He didn’t compare him to a gorilla , he compared him to something strong. Onana interpreted it that way, who cares how you interpreted it, it wasn’t meant for you.
Some people seem to be yes. Or at least offended that not everyone sees this as blatant racism.Do you think anyone is offended (or even pretending to be offended) in this thread?
Lots of people seem annoyed with a reaction from the FA, the media or "the right on army" which hasn't actually happened.
I can see why it’s attracting the wrong attention, that doesn’t mean it warrants the kind of attention it’s getting.There's so many emojis he could have used to compare Onana to ''something strong''. If you can't see how using the gorilla emoji would attract the wrong attention to him (he did, as he deleted it) then there's no point having a discussion with you.
Yeah, it's fairly simple.I would say that any adult who in any way compares a black person to a gorilla on social media and is then surprised to get in trouble for it is a very, very, very stupid person.
And in footballers' cases they should have received media training that covers this pretty basic point of social media literacy and makes them aware of the very specific rules in relation to this issue that apply within their industry.
I'm sure he didn't mean anything malicious by it, I'm sure Onana wasn't offended by it and I'm sure it was just meant to be a positive thing between friends. I'm also very sure that the FA could happily charge him despite all of that. Because the rules aren' about his intent, or Onana's reaction.
Good post and some people would do well to read it and understand.I would say that any adult who in any way compares a black person to a gorilla on social media and is then surprised to get in trouble for it is a very, very, very stupid person.
And in footballers' cases they should have received media training that covers this pretty basic point of social media literacy and makes them aware of the very specific rules in relation to this issue that apply within their industry.
I'm sure he didn't mean anything malicious by it, I'm sure Onana wasn't offended by it and I'm sure it was just meant to be a positive thing between friends. I'm also very sure that the FA could happily charge him despite all of that. Because the rules aren't about his intent, or Onana's reaction. As previous incidents have made crystal clear.
Yes, I agree people can interpret it other ways and that's why he erased the tweet.There's so many emojis he could have used to compare Onana to ''something strong''. If you can't see how using the gorilla emoji would attract the wrong attention to him (he did, as he deleted it) then there's no point having a discussion with you.
Oh cmon. Gorilla is different to monkey. Monkey definitely a no no. But gorilla to indicate power and strength...i.e. beast...is a compliment these days on social media. We dont need to treat people different just because of the colour of their skin in my opinion...I would say that any adult who in any way compares a black person to a gorilla on social media and is then surprised to get in trouble for it is a very, very, very stupid person.
And in footballers' cases they should have received media training that covers this pretty basic point of social media literacy and makes them aware of the very specific rules in relation to this issue that apply within their industry.
I'm sure he didn't mean anything malicious by it, I'm sure Onana wasn't offended by it and I'm sure it was just meant to be a positive thing between friends. I'm also very sure that the FA could happily charge him despite all of that. Because the rules aren' about his intent, or Onana's reaction.
I guess they must be on my ignore list as I have not seen anyone here say this was blatant racism.Some people seem to be yes. Or at least offended that not everyone sees this as blatant racism.
He literally posted gorillas, Onana is not the only black person on twitter.He didn’t compare him to a gorilla , he compared him to something strong. Onana interpreted it that way, who cares how you interpreted it, it wasn’t meant for you.
What does brutal strength have to do with the pen save?I regularly buy Gorilla Glue because it’s dam strong glue for fixing things. In fact it’s best I’ve ever bought. Its strength is optimised by its logo which is a prominent picture of a Gorilla. Gorillas have long been associated with brutal Strength so this utter nonsensical nonsense needs to stop now.
How do you come to that conclusion?The white FA (and redcafe) dictating what’s racist. I’m a man of colour by the way.
It’s more racist you white people thinking that is racist.
I am hispanic and feel the same way.The white FA (and redcafe) dictating what’s racist. I’m a man of colour by the way.
It’s more racist you white people thinking that is racist.
I do wonder how some people get through the day. People can be offended by anything and everything if they go looking for it and interpret it how THEY want to.He literally posted gorillas, Onana is not the only black person on twitter.
Maguire is the one who looks like a beast in that pic. Onana looks tiny in comparison.What does brutal strength have to do with the pen save?
I am 100% certain that this is what will happen. A quick chat "we know you didn't mean anything bad but just be careful" and that'll be it.For situations like this, where there is no racist intent whatsoever, the policy should be a polite admonition and nothing more. That said, this was a daft post by the boy.
I remember some poster here got perma-banned for using the gorilla word when talking about Lukaku on a gameday thread. Everyone was calling him a feckin donkey.This is absolute insanity that it's even a thing. It's a fecking gorilla emoji. Calm the feck down. He didn't call him a monkey. He didn't use it racially.
Well yes I agree with you, but if something has a very long, horrible, and dark history with racism, probably best avoided.I do wonder how some people get through the day. People can be offended by anything and everything if they go looking for it and interpret it how THEY want to.
Why would it be?Is it not racist to suggest Garnachos post was racist
The fact that people automatically linking gorillas and monkeys to black people when Garnacho posted. Even though Garnacho didn’t think that and probably thought beast. Could’ve easily done a similar tweet for Ronaldo and people wouldn’t blink and eyelid.How do you come to that conclusion?
Actually, it was. That's how social media works. When you post something on instagram or twitter it stops being a private conversation and becomes one everyone with access to it can see, interact with and interpret. That's why the rules around social media use are what they are.He didn’t compare him to a gorilla , he compared him to something strong. Onana interpreted it that way, who cares how you interpreted it, it wasn’t meant for you.
people think that because of the history of comparing black people to monkeys and gorillas thoughThe fact that people automatically linking gorillas and monkeys to black people when Garnacho posted. Even though Garnacho didn’t think that and probably thought beast. Could’ve easily done a similar tweet for Ronaldo and people wouldn’t blink and eyelid.
That was completely different though. If Onana wasn't in the picture and it was just Maguire for instance nothing would be made of it as the connotation of the caption is a positive one. The emoji was meant as something strong and powerful, the negative opinion of it is the assumption that he used that emoji because of Onana's skin colour and not the other meaning.There's a pretty obvious issue with that rationale though.
Imagine a scenario where Player A posts/says something racially insensitive about his teammate, Player B. Even if Player B feels uncomfortable with what Player A did/said, he could easily feel under pressure to defend him or not to speak out against him as not doing so will hurt the team and cause issues in the dressing room. For that reason, the FA can't just rely on players speaking out against their teammates.
Also, prior judgements have made clear that whether Onana himself was offended isn't the issue, because this wasn't a private conversation between Garnacho and Onana. As the FA noted in relation to the Bernardo Silva incident:
Bingo. It’s genuinely disturbing this is even a topic.Is it not racist to suggest Garnachos post was racist
If he didn't make that connection why did he remove the post so quickly?The fact that people automatically linking gorillas and monkeys to black people when Garnacho posted. Even though Garnacho didn’t think that and probably thought beast. Could’ve easily done a similar tweet for Ronaldo and people wouldn’t blink and eyelid.
The white FA (and redcafe) dictating what’s racist. I’m a man of colour by the way.
It’s more racist you white people thinking that is racist.
I explain why the whole 'Isn't it racist to say this is racist? Doesn't make sense in the post below.Is it not racist to suggest Garnachos post was racist
This argument sometimes get made, and I don't really understand it. It's predicated on the idea that a person is oblivious to any and all historically racist tropes.
To explain it as an example, if you saw a white man aggressively making monkey noises and gestures at a black man, you would understand the racist intention yes? That doesn't mean you're a racist though would it?
Garnacho obviously wasn't being racist in this incident, but it is tone deaf, and I won't be surprised to see the FA warn/punish him. The reason being someone could be intentionally racist, and then hide behind the idea that they didn't mean for their comment to be racist, they were just making a light hearted comment to player x about watermelon, or some other object that has racist connotations in a certain context, but is otherwise benign.
He removed it because people who choose to get offended on behalf of others by everything have flooded his social media.If he didn't make that connection why did he remove the post so quickly?
When images of apes have such a strong and long history with racism towards black people, it's pretty ignorant not to notice it.
I'm not saying he should be punished, but I'm glad it's down and he was right to do so.
If you say so.He removed it because people who choose to get offended on behalf of others by everything have flooded his social media.
ManBearPigPeople are forgetting the most important question:
Which animal would win in a fight?
Gorilla vs bear vs lion?
He removed it minutes after he posted it. Long before there was anything "flooded" anywhere.He removed it because people who choose to get offended on behalf of others by everything have flooded his social media.