Let's swap him for Upamecano. 
Is Harry Maguire being a worldwide punchline deserved?
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I think people have a flexible definition of the term abuse. I'm sure Maguire gets some pretty horrible stuff written on his social media, but then he's hardly alone in that respect. People criticizing him on here and laughing at a pretty benign commentator gag is hardly abuse. Getting booed by his home fans ala Eboue or Xhaka would be abuse, in my opinion, but unless I'm mistaken, that hasn't happened at Old Trafford. Getting booed by opposition fans is pretty much par for the course for any United player, especially the captain.
Actually, I should clarify (in case it wasn't clear) that I don't imagine that Maguire is overly-abused by United fans, which, given that this discussion is on a United board, is what's really relevant here (of course this is pure speculation on my part.)
Yep. There's a lot of our 'fanbase' that the club and the rest of us could do without.
I really have to try to contain myself right after the match, I often feel completely awful after a result (like post sevilla) and then I write all kinds of stupid things.
9-0-0 and only 3 goals against in his last 9 starts
Even though I've ranted about his media comments on here I think simply defining them as 'arrogance' is a shallow read.
The comments have started to come across more like a kid who is being bullied and his mum has told him to go out there and stand up for himself.
I don't think he's a confident guy, the bravado seems like a veneer to me.
The comments have started to come across more like a kid who is being bullied and his mum has told him to go out there and stand up for himself.
I don't think he's a confident guy, the bravado seems like a veneer to me.
Was this written by Maguire's PR team? We conceded 2 goals last week after he came on, one off his own head.
This is the kind of stuff that gets Maguire into trouble. Selecting numbers to make him look better than what he is and what the naked eye can see/observe.
Read that sentence again. 9-0-0 with only 3 goals against in his last 9 STARTS
I was also against the anti Pogba brigade. Think you’re backing up the wrong tree.
Oh we all do. At times we need to vent, rightly or wrongly it’s one of them.
I read it well enough. Selectively mentioning his starts omits a shambles of a game just over a week back which we were in control of before he came on. It's not like we get 6 points when he starts
yeah that’s how I read it.
true but then the naked eye would also tell you that the own goal was simply bad luck.
Let’s stick to the performance criticism then.
this is so unhinged to me - cracks on United players aren’t funny because they’re United players? Insane
If there’s ever a scored competition and/or academic curriculum on how to be a United supporter - that could very well be submitted as an entry - until then,
if good jokes are made out of them, of course.
Confirmation bias. Again, poor and/or players that can’t justify the outlay spent on them are all meme’d heavily. I said I have seen, not that I have watched. Similarly, I have also seen countless fail Maguire compilations.Nowhere near the same degree. Also, who the feck watches countless fail compilations of Kai Havertz!?
Maguire was excellent at Leicester playing defensive counter attacking football where he usually defend deep. The same case for England.
Ole was playing counter attacking football initially and signed Maguire for the style of play. He played well for Ole too. After that, Ole tried to change and wanted to play high press attacking football. It was when everything went wrong for Maguire because he is not suited for the style. It was especially bad in Ole final season. The same case with Rangnick.
He is also not suitable for ETH'S style of play. I think he will move on coming summer.
Having said that I think Maguire is still a top class CB in the right system. It's not his fault we sign him and not suitable to our style of play. The last decade Man Utd was run like a circus and there is no football structure or style of play in signings players.
Ole was playing counter attacking football initially and signed Maguire for the style of play. He played well for Ole too. After that, Ole tried to change and wanted to play high press attacking football. It was when everything went wrong for Maguire because he is not suited for the style. It was especially bad in Ole final season. The same case with Rangnick.
He is also not suitable for ETH'S style of play. I think he will move on coming summer.
Having said that I think Maguire is still a top class CB in the right system. It's not his fault we sign him and not suitable to our style of play. The last decade Man Utd was run like a circus and there is no football structure or style of play in signings players.
The type of language used on other platforms towards our players are generally not condoned here.
I don’t engage in Glazer conversations because my allegiance and support has always been restricted to on pitch matters.
He's got nothing on Timo Werner when it comes to fail comedy!Also, who the feck watches countless fail compilations of Kai Havertz!?
I'm just saying you said our fans speak about players that way to get rid of them. I think that overestimate the fans power, because they've very vocally (far moreso than any criticism of maguire) tried to get rid of the Glazers and had no success
What’s unhinged is finding content that is neither funny, witty nor intelligent and more a form of bullying via delinquent vitriol, funny. Scratch that, actually considering the enormous level of that directed at your own player absolutely fine / good is even worse.this is so unhinged to me - cracks on United players aren’t funny because they’re United players? Insane
If there’s ever a scored competition and/or academic curriculum on how to be a United supporter - that could very well be submitted as an entry - until then,
Yeah I think at this stage it’s clear that most of it isn’t funny.
Firstly you need to find better things to do with your time than watch countless compilations of this stuff. Secondly, it’s pure ignorance to pretend it’s the same treatment for every player. Maguire’s has been over the top and a shame really. Whenever it veers into abuse and overload of bullying / mockery, it’s a negative. But the SM generation is full of mindless shitstains anyway.
You know there is no equivalence there.
Players have to perform in front of the fans in games.Glazers don’t even come to the stadium and set the terms of their involvement.
Players don’t have the same luxury because even under immense pressure we still expect them to keep it together and perform in our presence. The Glazers only show up to get their money and no one is present when they are leaving with the cash.
It's absolutely deserved. Not due to his performances or his fee but the fact that we are talking about someone claiming that he has nothing to prove or that he is definitely playing well since his coach use him every game. He acts as if people can't see his stinkers, his attitude is totally off.
The likes of Lindelof, Wan Bissaka or even McTominay wouldn't deserve anything similar but Maguire does.
The likes of Lindelof, Wan Bissaka or even McTominay wouldn't deserve anything similar but Maguire does.
Well yeah, I mean if you can't perform under immense pressure, maybe a job where you have to go out and perform in front of tens of thousands of people live and millions more watching at home, maybe playing football isn't the right job. Fans have limited power to get rid of players, if maguire can't handle pressure that's on him but he's not unique in having to face pressure
Fans do and have always had the power. Limited or immense it’s still power.
If his ability and talent matched his self belief he would be truly awesome. Sadly he has the turning circle of an oil tanker and the anticipation, judgement and reading of situations of a blind trappist Monk in a cave on Ketamine.
Luckily, your assessment of what's funny isn't universal. So if good, lighthearted, jokes are cracked on United/United players, I will laugh my ass off.
Firstly, you need to comprehend what's being said to you - I said I've seen, not that I've watched - this is the second time I make this distinction to aid your reading comprehension, and you're seemingly still struggling. Secondly, you know nothing of me nor my time, I don't think having +90k posts on Redcafe is a good investment of time, but it's not my place to comment on as I do not know you - for all I know you make your living online (I do) - so I'd appreciate you keep personal suggestions to yourself, because were I to do the same - it might register as "form of bullying via delinquent vitriol"
- whatever that even means - to you. Let's not get weird, and let us keep this thing cordial, please.Thirdly, your posts are full of emotional outbursts and confirmation bias - anecdotally, from what I've seen, Maguire doesn't get cracked on more than Ronaldo, more than a lot of the Chelsea lads or even Luke Shaw when he has a dip in form. Players are made fun of - it's one of the sides of the coin of having a very well remunerated profession with high visibility - especially in Maguire's case with a transfer fee that his performances have never come close to justifying. Is it all justified? No, not when it gets personal and/or discriminatory - but then again, this thread used a commentator referring to Upamecano as "Upamaguire" as it's basis, and yeah that's funny and it's not something to pick up pitchforks over.
I will continue to laugh at similar jokes/memes made about Maguire - oh, and I might also watch a few fail compilations of him from time to time. Be easy.
The over-the-top abuse directed at Maguire just shows what a toilet social media has become. Millions of children (or adults with the mentality of children) sat sniggering at their screens whenever they re-post the same tediously unfunny cut-and-paste comments about Maguire, with the sole aim of getting ‘likes’ as if that fecking means anything. Absolutely pathetic.
his biggest mistakes are not his own.
80mil and captain armband. If he cost 35mil and was only a squad option, he wouldn’t get anywhere near the level of abuse.
80mil and captain armband. If he cost 35mil and was only a squad option, he wouldn’t get anywhere near the level of abuse.
Yes he does deserve it as long as his mouth signs checks his actions cannot pay.
It's bullying, pure and simple.
Everybody remembers the kid at school who would be the butt of all jokes for any reason people could find. They would always be targeted and even people who wouldn't think of themselves as bullies, would join in if the opportunity arose. It obviously must feel awful for the person who is subjected to it. How do you seriously think Maguire feels to be a reference meme for every single poor CB performance in world football? It must be soul destroying for him and his family and I don't have any tine for the people who contribute to it.
If anything, we are to be ridiculed for paying 80 mil for him.
His mistakes are so meme-worthy, and the weaknesses he does have are so evident for a supposed top defender, that it's very very hard for people who decided he's utter wank to somewhat let this impression go.
He has his games where he's perfectly fine, but the majority of people- myself included- won't find a burning need to acknowledge that.
"He's utter wank, should be sold" and that's about it.
that "Upamaguire" by the commentator is very funny, anyhow
Maguire could be quite decent for a midtable team in the PL,
and he's better than most defenders on earth, seeing as he's at that level.
Should really be the symbol of a crap footballer,
but it's obvious why he is.
He has his games where he's perfectly fine, but the majority of people- myself included- won't find a burning need to acknowledge that.
"He's utter wank, should be sold" and that's about it.
that "Upamaguire" by the commentator is very funny, anyhow
Maguire could be quite decent for a midtable team in the PL,
and he's better than most defenders on earth, seeing as he's at that level.
Should really be the symbol of a crap footballer,
but it's obvious why he is.
Woah he got into the team of the year of League One ? Great achievements.
Even when he has a "good game" you can see numerous times where he just either does braindead things or is as slow as an oil tanker moving around. Doesnt remotely play how we want to line up under EtH, so just sell and he can run his mouth about how he has nothing to prove while he plays for some midtier club in the EPL and can really celebrate his next goal for england against the maldives/faroe islands or something.
And I think you're making out this level of "mockery and ridicule" of only Maguire to be way worse than it actually is. It just seems that way because of how connected everything is through media now, but 20+ years ago players that were shit were being mocked just as much as they are now if they were constantly making montage worthy mistakes. It just didn't seem that way.
Again, anyone personally messaging him/his family/or doing anything out of line to feck with the guy's personal life can feck off. I have no tolerance for that. But we're acting like people tweeting a Maguire fail clip is going to break him mentally, and my point is that if that's going to affect you as a footballer then you're probably fecked anyways considering every player these days gets social media stick.
And some would say that a better defender wouldn’t be in a position two meters away and off to the side from the guy heading the ball, as opposed to standing in no-man’s land. I mean this can go around in circles forever.
That is my sense too. Take a stand for yourself. If you won't stand up for yourself, who will?
Yeah if he was only 35 mil and not the captain, he would not become a worldwide meme. But he is still an incredibly successful man who will go on to become sports pundit or coach in the future.
He is certainly not helping his reputation when he has legit shite season, and then comes out with horrible lines like "I have nothing to prove".
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