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Spurs with at least an equally good team as ours, not doing too well. Yet people want their manager so much? Guess he'd do amazing with that £50m a year we spend now.
Better league, cl finalists, cheese roomWhy would Gueye pick us over PSG?
Poch will jump at the opportunity to play for a club that can break the world record for a defenders. And bench the most expensive striker and midfielder in premier league history, without it affecting the club transfer budget. There is no basis to the £50m a year spend and It is a myth just like arsenal £25m transfer budget. Maybe if our manager in the past have targeted proper players we could rivals City’s billion euro squad.Spurs with at least an equally good team as ours, not doing too well. Yet people want their manager so much? Guess he'd do amazing with that £50m a year we spend now.
We wanted his defender not very long ago. He also has a striker that could've been the most expensive transfer in history a season or so ago.Poch will jump at the opportunity to play for a club that can break the world record for a defenders. And bench the most expensive striker and midfielder in premier league history, without it affecting the club transfer budget. There is no basis to the £50m a year spend and It is a myth just like arsenal £25m transfer budget. Maybe if our manager in the past have targeted proper players we could rivals City’s billion euro squad.
Also, we have a better defense and midfield than Spurs, so I don’t know how it is equally better.
Are we seeing parallels to what happened with Klopp at Dortmund? Where he's maximised what he can achieve at Spurs, and now the only way is down at this point?
I will be honest, I had a tough time reading and understanding any of that. The basis is the last few transfer windows, accounting for outgoing? We still spent big those windows, also giving Sanchez the highest wage a player has ever gotten. All the data points to that. I would also take a midfield of Pogba and mctominay/Fred over Sissoko/N’Dombele and Winks any day.We wanted his defender not very long ago. He also has a striker that could've been the most expensive transfer in history a season or so ago.
The basis is the last few transfer windows, accounting for outgoings.
We don't have a better midfield, and we only just got a slightly better defence.
I will be honest, I had a tough time reading and understanding any of that. The basis is the last few transfer windows, accounting for outgoing? We still spent big those windows, also giving Sanchez the highest wage a player has ever gotten. All the data points to that. I would also take a midfield of Pogba and mctominay/Fred over Sissoko/N’Dombele and Winks any day.
Ah, ok thanks for clarifying that. As I stated before our midfield and defense is better, plus we have always had a deeper squad than him. Even with such economic and player limitation, he still has accomplished great success in making Spurs a top four contender, getting them into a champions league finals and based on expected goal, tied with Chelsea as the number 1 team in England in 16-17 season. With all that consider, it is easy to assume that if he undoubtedly had a better first 11 and more spending power, he could have accomplished more than the amazing job he has already done.The basic point is that he has as much quality as us (including a good few that we'd love at United), spread differently, yet doesn't do much special with it, but everyone wants him.
Wonder has he got fed up? They havent looked great this season with two losses already.
I'm not convinced we have greater depth, although we definitely have far more potential with the youngsters. I'd love to have Moura on our bench for one.Ah, ok thanks for clarifying that. As I stated before our midfield and defense is better, plus we have always had a deeper squad than him. Even with such economic and player limitation, he still has accomplished great success in making Spurs a top four contender, getting them into a champions league finals and based on expected goal, tied with Chelsea as the number 1 team in England in 16-17 season. With all that consider, it is easy to assume that if he undoubtedly had a better first 11 and more spending power, he could have accomplished more than the amazing job he has already done.
I think the CL final broke them.
Poch needs to go somewhere where he can win a big trophy, or risk becoming yet another 'nearly' man. For that reason, I'd expect his next move to be away from England (PSG a decent outside bet?).He'll replace Ole at the end of the season I reckon.
Poch will jump at the opportunity to play for a club that can break the world record for a defenders. And bench the most expensive striker and midfielder in premier league history, without it affecting the club transfer budget. There is no basis to the £50m a year spend and It is a myth just like arsenal £25m transfer budget. Maybe if our manager in the past have targeted proper players we could rivals City’s billion euro squad.
Also, we have a better defense and midfield than Spurs, so I don’t know how it is equally better.
Says no one except you.He a Utd legend don't you know we have to give him 20 years, it's the Utd way.
Lo Celso and Ndombele have to prove themselves in the PL tbf
Lo Celso, Ndombele, Eriksen, Winks, Sissoko vs Pogba, McTominay, Matic, Fred, Pereira?
How is the latter better?
Lo Celso and Ndombele have to prove themselves in the PL tbf
Lo Celso, Ndombele, Eriksen, Winks, Sissoko vs Pogba, McTominay, Matic, Fred, Pereira?
How is the latter better?
I think the CL final broke them.
Lo Celso, Ndombele, Eriksen, Winks, Sissoko vs Pogba, McTominay, Matic, Fred, Pereira?
How is the latter better?
Considering the hypothetical situation when Poch decides to leave spurs, Eriksen and Pogba would have gone.Maybe (and lo celso hasn't really come in to play yet) but on paper I think we have clearly the better options, certainly not inferior ones. Pogba is your midfield of genuine quality.
You have a better defence/keeper but midfield? Nah.
Haven’t seen much of Lo Celso, so I m not quite sure if he will play in a double pivot or further forward like Eriksen and Lamela. At betis, it seems like he preferred cam, as such my classification of a midfield were players who could play cm not am. If that is the case, we might as well add james, Martial, mata, Gomes, lingard, etc. into the equation.
Attacking midfielder are more aligned with the attacking aspect of the game. I have no doubt that Spurs are better equipped with that regards. But with midfielder e.g., cm, cdm, United are better equipped.
Cm/cdm Pogba, McTominay, Fred, Matic, > N’Dombele, Winks, Sissoko, Wanyama
Am/fw Eriksen, Lo Celso, Son, Ali, Moura, Lamela, Kane > James, Mata, Lingard, Martial, Rashy, Pereira, Gomes, Greenwood.
Considering the hypothetical situation when Poch decides to leave spurs, Eriksen and Pogba would have gone.
Spurs aren't going to reinforce the midfield anytime soon whereas United have to get atleast 2 new players for the midfield after this season.
So i still believe that hypothetically by the time poch moves on, United could have a better midfield. Currently not so on paper.
However if Fred continues to improve we will have Pogba him and McSauce that certainly is worth a shout.
We have a very decent squad. Just shite fullbacks, ageing central defenders and right now Eriksen not giving two shits is killing us thus far this season. I think that when Lo Celso/Ndombele properly settle we'll seriously improve because from what I've seen of both they are seriously good footballers.
When does Eriksen's contract end? Is there a chance Utd can poach him away from tottenham? Will Levy start quoting ridiculous prices like 150M or something?
More than Eriksen, the player I most love in tottenham is Son. He would elevate our forward line to levels.
We brought Lo Celso on at CM and that's where I expect him to mostly play, with us targeting someone like Fernandes for that number 10 role. From the very little we've seen of Lo Celso he seems brilliant at bringing the ball forward/retaining it, so I don't see him as an attacking midfielder. I also don't agree with totally separating attacking midfield and central midfield, a player like Eriksen especially very much links the two and will drop pretty deep and help out, and at times is very capable of playing the CM role.
I'd rather have our AM/CM options than United's, for sure.
When I look at your team the only players I'd take De Gea, Pogba, Maguire and AWB. Other than that I don't see any upgrades - aside from maybe James if he continues this form throughout the season. The likes of Martial, Rashford, McTominay etc would be good squad players but wouldn't start for us on paper.
We have a very decent squad. Just shite fullbacks, ageing central defenders and right now Eriksen not giving two shits is killing us thus far this season. I think that when Lo Celso/Ndombele properly settle we'll seriously improve because from what I've seen of both they are seriously good footballers.
We can quote this post for future reference. You say lo Celso will play cm, but he was at his best at real betis playing cam, the role Ali and Lamela occupies. I don’t see Poch playing lo Celso at cm ahead of N’Dombele. I also don’t believe these two can even compliment each other. Still a lot of unknown, which is why Pochettino has yet to give Spurs his best team.
Also, I recall that the lo Celso deal is a loan dependent on if you qualify for champions league. What happens if you don’t qualify? He returns back to Betis? That seems more likely if things doesn’t turn around.
When I look at Spurs team, I honestly only take Kane, Son, and N’Dombele. Maybe Alderweild, but he is aging. His best years are behind him. I omitted Eriksen because I m quite sure he will be like our other expensive flop. He seems on a decline. At United, along with those players you listed, we have an exciting bunch of young talent. I m sure Spurs fan will bend on theirs knees to get the likes of Greenwood, Tuanzebe, Gomes, James, Rashy and Chong. The future is much brighter at United than at Spurs with these crop of young talent plus much more still developing in our academy.
Time to move on. He reached peak last year there. Madrid will be his next club i guess
Spurs are fine. The hyperbole on here is insane.He plays regularly as a CM for Argentina .. and when he's come on for us was brought on at CM. Why can't Ndombele and Lo Celso play together? With the right player to complete a trio I see no reason, especially in games against weaker opposition where we need somebody to unlock a defence.
It's still very early doors, we're a single match week away from being back in the top 4. I'm not happy with the performances at the moment but I wouldn't be at all surprise if we still scrape top 4. Arsenal, United and Chelsea are not top teams, and will drop silly points across the season just like we will .. they already have.
'Maybe' Alderweireld? Either Toby or Vertonghen obviously go in alongside Maguire instead of Lindelof. I'd also take Winks over McTominay every day of the week personally, but I get that United fans will favour their own product. Rose is also still a better left back than Shaw or Young, hence why he's in the England squad. I also think having two bonafide world class attackers (Kane + Son) is more important than having better fullbacks/a better keeper. You're kind of dismissing Eriksen a bit too early in the season as well .. again, not played well thus far but he's not even thirty and can still impact our season.
Would we feck bend on our knees . Decent list of players but most won't make it. Fans will always overrate their own academy products but we have plenty of our own (Parrott is very exciting). Again, you and I rate the Spurs squad very differently. The way I see it we have two world class attacking players than almost every side in the league would kill for (including arguably the best out and out striker around), three young midfielders in Ndombele, Lo Celso and Winks who are all full internationals for top tier sides and should only improve. I also think some of the players whose careers have stalled a bit under Pochettino, namely Sanchez and Alli, are still very talented young players who can and have done great things in the right system.
But whatever, it's all subjective, United fans will rate their own players higher (particularly academy ones) than a Spurs fan .. no surprise, no point arguing about it really.
Spurs are fine. The hyperbole on here is insane.
We are going into a season where pretty much top8 is up for grabs, or to lose it. That applies to us as well as Spurs. This is going to be one hell of a season and we are all from the better of it tbf.
Pochettino is a world class coach to stick to the thread subject. Jeez, the Caf sometimes.
I think Poch will prob leave next summer. Or the summer after. It might not be a bad thing for Spurs though, if you get the nxt recruitment right. It will be an important one though.I agree we'll be fine. Probably will make top four (albeit more because of others weaknesses than our own strengths!) and I honestly wouldn't be shocked if we won a domestic trophy or something.
But whilst I agree Poch is a world class coach, I think his cycle is nearing its end here. Do think a bit of complacency has set in and a bit of a mix up is a good thing, and I don't think he's really mentally set to challenge an upcoming rebuild with us .. doesn't seem committed enough, especially with the whole 'i'll leave if we win the champions league' comments.
Not really hard to come second when the German league isn't known for massive spending, he's come nowhere near close to spending what City have and has brought his team to 2 CL finals and pushed City to the final game last season in the league. I wouldn't call him a chequebook manager...Klopp is a chequebook manager. He spend the second most in Germany when he was there.
Poch is outspent by Everton,West Ham etc.
Let seen how Poch would get on if he could buy players for world record fees in there positions.
I’m not saying that Utd have a better midfield or anything because I think both are below par but Lo Celso hasn’t even started a game yet so it remains to be seen whether he’s good or not.
Lo Celso, Ndombele, Eriksen, Winks, Sissoko vs Pogba, McTominay, Matic, Fred, Pereira?
How is the latter better?
I’m not saying that Utd have a better midfield or anything because I think both are below par but Lo Celso hasn’t even started a game yet so it remains to be seen whether he’s good or not.
He's achieved exactly the same as Ole if you judge managers purely by the braindead bar of 'what trophies have they won?' rather than actually assessing what work they've done at clubs. If you only consider winning something an achievement rather than how a manager helps a team progress then yes, to you Pochettino = completely unsuccessful. Luckily, most people have the capacity to look beyond such simplistic logic and can see Pochettino took a Spurs team languishing behind Everton and completely restructured the side, leading us to a top 4 finish pretty much every season, and giving us an incredible run to the CL final.
Obviously trophies are a big deal and had he won a few it would have really cemented his legacy, but any attempt to deny that he's achieved a great deal in terms of raising the clubs profile and the level we perform at, is simply being fecking blind. To compare what he's built at Spurs to Ole managing in the Norwegian league, failing at Cardiff and half a season with United .. what planet do you have to be on? Obviously Pochettino is the more accomplished and proven manager, and obviously everybody aside from United fans would choose Pochettino if they had to have either manager.
That's not to say Ole can't become/prove himself to be better than Poch, who knows? I like Ole. He seems to get on well with his players, and he's the first United manager in a long while for me who genuinely focuses on developing youth and building something long term rather than simply looking at the next 1 or 2 seasons