In isolation, you can't hold him responsible for these incidents. But when a trend begins to form, you must look at the manager.
What you wrote has directly been disproven on the pitch, on the basis that we managed to get results playing to his philosophy earlier on this season, but have bare won a single game since he's been our manager that has turned into a shootout. We have attacked teams and lost, and played conservatively and won 1-0.
Totally agree. The bolded bit is the most important part. If the team does not meet that standard it will cost LVG his job, just as it is likely to cause yours in your example. However, there is the standard that Woody and the board have set (which probably wont be known until nearer the end of the season) and the array of standards and expectations of the fans. It is the latter which is making all the noise, just as it did with Moyes and Fergie during their years. Those who think Fergie didn't get a bashing during his tenure are living in cuckoo land.
I'm not talking about a single individual mistake, i'm talking about players who have been delivering shite all season and still in the team.
Maybe you would like to name and shame those who have been shit all season, rather than having lapses in specific games.
Our chances look very dim, maybe someone else could make them look better.
Mata and Rooney.
The same Neuer van Gaal refused to sign so much it almost cost him the job? He did not even play under van Gaal.
rooney, fellaini, mata, depay, jones, and darmian, for starters, have all been poor more often than not.
I wouldn't argue against that. But only Rooney and Mata have been permanent out of that list.
So it looks like apart from them, he has pretty much kept the poor performing players out the side, bar injuries.
Not as often as his supporters would have us believe. We have only won 4 games 1-0 this season, the first two against Spurs and Villa the home tie against CSKA in November and the FA Cup tie against Sheffield United at the weekend.This whole idea that when we play conservatively we win 1-0 is a myth.
ah I see what you were responding to now.
What you wrote makes little sense because if playing conservatively was that great in terms of results, do you think LVG would have felt the need to change things ? Why change something that was working ? You have simplified things way too much with your post.
Nobody is giving LVG all of the credit. What some of us are saying is that he has helped build some very successful sides and has had a large influence on football in general so lets at least give him until the end of the season and evaluate where we are then.
But Van Gaal's rejection of Neur probably inspired him to become the keeper he became today.
not as often as we draw 0-0 and finding myself asleep before full time.
I mentioned a number of times during the early part of the season that any PL team that plays with 9 or 10 players against another PL should be getting walloped, regardless of their position. In that early part of the season, we were not winning a lot, but were certainly not losing. We were however, because of Rooney's shit performances, really playing with 10 men most games. Add to that Depay did not turn up, so we were playing with 9 to 9.5 men. We did a lot better than we should have done.
Yes managers make mistakes, what's your point? You are overstating what others are saying to make them seem deranged or slow. Nobody is saying LVG pisses the cure for cancer or has been perfect throughout his managerial career. He has been very successful for most of it and helped to build some very good teams. Would you say that last statement is incorrect?
Its a rather laughable excuse to be honest.
I credit van Gaal with Messi too. He was at Barcelona a couple years before his debut.
Heynckes might disagree with the Bayern timeline
.There's no options to bring in players to change things up when other players have crap games, that's because he has left the squad paper thin.
Heycknes left Bayern in 2013, Germany won World Cup in 2014.Heynckes might disagree with the Bayern timeline
Well, According to Schrodinger, the fact that I watched Germany, Spain and Brazil during the world cup is the reason they won it, so I guess me and everyone who watched it should also get some credit.
Agreed. The key there is changing the game. I am not a fan of hoof ball, so Fellani up front is a non-starter for me.
you really think we are losing games to the likes of Norwich because we are playing 'shoot outs'? From what I remember we played safe possession football where we made nothing and got hit on the counter.
I was over simplifying. The fact is, we didn't look like losing 4 in a row or whatever it was earlier in the season.
It's not impossible to get hit on the counter when we are playing our slow safe passing game which has zero cutting edge. It's been a common tactic for teams to just Park the bus against us and wait until we give the ball away and break away quickly.
It sounds as if you are bragging about drawing 0-0 or 1-1.
In 2016, managers are expected to make immediate impact. That's the nature of the job.
Lvg fathered Messi
And now we see the real lvg side which means statistically, aesthetically, squad, all worse
All the pro-LVG guys in here are talking about what he did in the past, as in arguing with others about what he did in the past, who cares, instead of considering the bollocks he's turned us into. One bloke is actually objecting to the view that we're boring. Get this mate, we're gobsmackingly, appallingly, fecking boring. Even the world's greatest yorkshireman, geoffrey boycott (I know, but a hugely loyal united fan) said on radio today he falls asleep at half-time.
those that are still pro-LVG now will probably be pro-LVG forever.
