Unfortunately he's not going anywhere. There's no guarantees that he won't be here next year too. If he was going to be sacked, would have gone at the start of the window.
Is there anyone left who wants to defend lvg now?
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
who still believes he's building a team for the next manager? really?
So to properly see whether he is the right guy for the Man Utd job, we look towards his time at Barca, Bayern, AZ and Ajax instead of what he's done at Man Utd for the last 1 and half seasons?
Right....
Only way to defend him is to look at the injuries.
Shaw
Rojo
Jones
Valencia
Darmian
Schweinsteiger
Carrick
Young
That's an entire defense and midfield in itself. If not for Smalling and De Gea staying fit, we'd be in a relegation battle now.
Shaw
Rojo
Jones
Valencia
Darmian
Schweinsteiger
Carrick
Young
That's an entire defense and midfield in itself. If not for Smalling and De Gea staying fit, we'd be in a relegation battle now.
Inspired by the posts of of Dr. Funkenstein and Santiago_Kinderbueno
That is grim.
Still, the criticism isn't entirely related just to what people are seeing today. He's been here for over 18 months, and we play poor football, whether we have our best 11 or our not. That's the bigger picture. The best it gets is pretty average.
That sums it up nicely.
Inspired by the posts of of Dr. Funkenstein and Santiago_Kinderbueno
It is not working, team is not good enough and so little depth that the injuries mean the first team is horribly unbalanced. The first half was atrocious and there was never a period in the game except the early second half where I enjoyed our performance. Darmian going off somehow killed us off and that is not expected of a professional team. Janujaz directly contributed to the goal by being silly, and with McNair at fault too. There are far too many pedestrian players who ought not be United first teamers. I liked the manager and had great hopes for him and us. It is a shame that Koeman gets his old rival sacked and would have preferred it to have turned out differently but there is no way back from this. Bye LvG and sorry it did not work out. He will be gone this week
"It's all players' fault" .
I hate this fecking excuse. If that was the case why would we need a manager to begin with ? Just sign all the big names out there and let's them play whatever they want like bunch of little kids and hope for the best. Is that what LvG's apologists suggesting ?
When Manchester United just have 35 shots on target at Old Trafford, you can only blame it on philosophy here.
I hate this fecking excuse. If that was the case why would we need a manager to begin with ? Just sign all the big names out there and let's them play whatever they want like bunch of little kids and hope for the best. Is that what LvG's apologists suggesting ?
When Manchester United just have 35 shots on target at Old Trafford, you can only blame it on philosophy here.
The system he chose against Southampton was ludicrous. He mentioned that it was tough to break them down because they played with 5 defenders. His solution? Match their system and play 5 defenders himself.
He then stuck with that system for the entire 90 minutes even though the team mustered just one shot on target. His "attacking" moves were bringing Januzaj on at wing back and putting Smalling up front. Having Januzaj in a defensive position was the cause of giving away the soft free kick for the goal.
This is Manchester United changing their system to deal with Southampton at home. Sometimes you can over think it and would be better off playing to your own strengths and letting the opposition worry about you.
He then stuck with that system for the entire 90 minutes even though the team mustered just one shot on target. His "attacking" moves were bringing Januzaj on at wing back and putting Smalling up front. Having Januzaj in a defensive position was the cause of giving away the soft free kick for the goal.
This is Manchester United changing their system to deal with Southampton at home. Sometimes you can over think it and would be better off playing to your own strengths and letting the opposition worry about you.
Yes but it's not like all these players have been out at the same time for a long period of time, Shaw, Rojo, Valencia, Jones, and Carrick have been out ages, Schw, Young, and Darmian have been there most of the time, and of those who are out all the time I'd say only Shaw, and possibly Jones are starting players now, surely with a well a manged squad we should be able to handle that without looking like a championship team.
In some ways LvG has been quite fortunate in that his main two centre backs have not been injured, as hasn't DDG, or the 20 starlet he seems determined to run into the ground.
Only if you take him seriously.
He's good for a laugh though.
Dont you know that Van Gaal is responsible for Germany's world cup win?
If Martial plays well for France and they win the Euro this summer, he should get credit for that trophy as well. If it's not France, he could win it with Spain or Germany. Maybe even England because of Smalling's contribution. And that kind of success could boost his United career, it's the trophy he needs this season to turn things around. I really think United should wait at least until after the Euro before making a decision about van Gaal.
Two holding midfielders in home games and one of them being Fellaini.......a ha ha ha ha........clueless. No attacking intent. Tactics from the 90s.......we are doomed. Go now Louis.
Unfortunately, yes...a couple of pages back.FFSsomeone actually said that? Feck sake.
Not only did he say Van Gaal was responsible for Germany's win , but also Spain's win too.
I'm not making this up.
Santiago kinderbueno . He's good for a laugh though.
@K2K
Aargh man. Lost for words.
Aargh man. Lost for words.
He's making fun of us.. please make it stop
Big difference between assisting & being responsible. Spain was utter shite before iniesta & Xavi & also possesion football. This is something van gaal RE-started at barcelona.
That is all.
I wonder if Germany would have won things without Muller, Schweinsteiger (of course let's stick him out on the wing
) & basically Bayern suddenly being the best club in the world under Heyckenes. I'm good for a laugh i guess. However, let's not pretend that no-one is laughing at you
The similarities between the whiners of Barcelona & Bayern and the Ones on this site & at Old Trafford is all I was hoping to reduce
It was never going to happen for idiots who believe that the manager who sells RVP & Nani & hernandez to Utilise players like lingard & martial & memphis is going to hit the ground running & win titles
What's even funnier is the crying of our fans about the money spent
at a time when we have sold all our deadwood & high earners except one or two & at a time when an average players costs 30 or so million complaning about something like 120 million approx net spent Then you have absolutely nuppties wanting to sack the manager as if any other manager would instantly make us a better team with the utilisation of lingard, januzaj & co. Mate they have so much adapting to do before a manager just as past it as mourinho can come manage a team never mind his reliance on his cheque book & negligence of youth.
Never mind his bland style of football too
What about the idiot's who think we were trying to progress last year? Does last year's squad look at all similar to this years
how couls you possibly expect van gaal to do his tactics to players like falcao & Rvp & Di maria . It's bloody obvious that our goals were different last year to this year. We have under-achieved no doubt, so has the managee & the players but let's not pretend that the likes of me & the other posters who get it didn't expect rhis type of results from the start. We did, before all of you combined - all we are trying to show is there are benefits & pretty strong ones at that hidden under the poor performances as seen at his almost duplicate performances for Bayern & Barcelona
You see people do realise that we have done research whilst the majority of others just stare
Inspired by the posts of of Dr. Funkenstein and Santiago_Kinderbueno
& react to their senses as if they were mere animals http://www.unique-design.net/librar...ee_ten_thousandths_of_a_second_difference.jpg
For the love of God get out of van Gaals anus man!
Big difference between assisting & being responsible. Spain was utter shite before iniesta & Xavi & also possesion football. This is something van gaal RE-started at barcelona.
That is all.
I wonder if Germany would have won things without Muller, Schweinsteiger (of course let's stick him out on the wing
I'm good for a laugh i guess. However, let's not pretend that no-one is laughing at you
The similarities between the whiners of Barcelona & Bayern and the Ones on this site & at Old Trafford is all I was hoping to reduce
It was never going to happen for idiots who believe that the manager who sells RVP & Nani & hernandez to Utilise players like lingard & martial & memphis is going to hit the ground running & win titles
What's even funnier is the crying of our fans about the money spent
Then you have absolutely nuppties wanting to sack the manager as if any other manager would instantly make us a better team with the utilisation of lingard, januzaj & co. Mate they have so much adapting to do before a manager just as past it as mourinho can come manage a team never mind his reliance on his cheque book & negligence of youth.
Never mind his bland style of football too
What about the idiot's who think we were trying to progress last year? Does last year's squad look at all similar to this years
We have under-achieved no doubt, so has the managee & the players but let's not pretend that the likes of me & the other posters who get it didn't expect rhis type of results from the start. We did, before all of you combined - all we are trying to show is there are benefits & pretty strong ones at that hidden under the poor performances as seen at his almost duplicate performances for Bayern & Barcelona
You see people do realise that we have done research whilst the majority of others just stare
http://www.unique-design.net/librar...ee_ten_thousandths_of_a_second_difference.jpg
LVG has been nothing short of a disaster.
He's been given 18 months of free reign to do exactly what he wants and he has absolutely fecked it up.
The buck stops with the manager and we are in absolute free fall.
In nearly 30 years of supporting this great club I have never seen such boring, ineffectual football.
Please tell me that you are a WUM?
@Santiago_KinderBueno needs a van Gaal related tagline surely.
Big difference between assisting & being responsible. Spain was utter shite before iniesta & Xavi & also possesion football. This is something van gaal RE-started at barcelona.
That is all.
I wonder if Germany would have won things without Muller, Schweinsteiger (of course let's stick him out on the wing
I'm good for a laugh i guess. However, let's not pretend that no-one is laughing at you
The similarities between the whiners of Barcelona & Bayern and the Ones on this site & at Old Trafford is all I was hoping to reduce
It was never going to happen for idiots who believe that the manager who sells RVP & Nani & hernandez to Utilise players like lingard & martial & memphis is going to hit the ground running & win titles
What's even funnier is the crying of our fans about the money spent
Then you have absolutely nuppties wanting to sack the manager as if any other manager would instantly make us a better team with the utilisation of lingard, januzaj & co. Mate they have so much adapting to do before a manager just as past it as mourinho can come manage a team never mind his reliance on his cheque book & negligence of youth.
Never mind his bland style of football too
What about the idiot's who think we were trying to progress last year? Does last year's squad look at all similar to this years
We have under-achieved no doubt, so has the managee & the players but let's not pretend that the likes of me & the other posters who get it didn't expect rhis type of results from the start. We did, before all of you combined - all we are trying to show is there are benefits & pretty strong ones at that hidden under the poor performances as seen at his almost duplicate performances for Bayern & Barcelona
You see people do realise that we have done research whilst the majority of others just stare
http://www.unique-design.net/librar...ee_ten_thousandths_of_a_second_difference.jpg
Can someone put him out of his misery?
Would you please stop talking about Schweinsteiger in CM instead of out on the wing as something no one else would have done? What you're suggesting is just factual wrong. Heynckes moved him to CM at the end of the 08/09 season before van Gaal pushed him back out on the wing in preseason and had to be convinced by the players to go back to Heynckes' blueprint of van Bommel & Schweinsteiger as the central midfield pair. I posted an interview with Schweinsteiger from summer 2010 in this thread, in which he explains how the move into the middle happened:I wonder if Germany would have won things without Muller, Schweinsteiger (of course let's stick him out on the wing
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/is-...o-defend-lvg-now.412938/page-22#post-18652479
Here's the relevant part of said post:
It's the crazy exaggeration of that influence that's so annoying, because it's so disrespectful to other managers. For example, Schweinsteiger's move to central midfield is solely credited to van Gaal. What's interesting is that Schweinsteiger talked in an interview in 2010 with the magazine 11 Freunde about that change. Heynckes as interim manager after he took over from Klinsmann in 2008/2009 was the first one to play Schweinsteiger in CM, van Gaal moved him back to the wing and had to be convinced by the players to continue with him in a central role.
Here's the link and the relevant quote in German:
Here's the link and the relevant quote in German:
http://www.11freunde.de/interview/bastian-schweinsteiger-ueber-seine-karriere-1
Question: Jupp Heynckes was the first manager, who played you in the central midfield as a number 6. Lous van Gaal then ordered you back to the wing.
Answer:
Louis Van Gaal actually wanted to play a different system. But that didn't work very well, because Ribery prefered to play on the wing. So the manager listened to our view on the matter. I think, that's a big quality of him, that he listens to our ideas and includes them in his work. Other players wanted me to play central as well, so he accepted it.
Answer:
Louis Van Gaal actually wanted to play a different system. But that didn't work very well, because Ribery prefered to play on the wing. So the manager listened to our view on the matter. I think, that's a big quality of him, that he listens to our ideas and includes them in his work. Other players wanted me to play central as well, so he accepted it.
As clueless, mental and arrogant as ever I see. It's quite scary you can so wilfully ignore what is actually happening right in front of your eyes.
Big difference between assisting & being responsible. Spain was utter shite before iniesta & Xavi & also possesion football. This is something van gaal RE-started at barcelona.
That is all.
I wonder if Germany would have won things without Muller, Schweinsteiger (of course let's stick him out on the wing
I'm good for a laugh i guess. However, let's not pretend that no-one is laughing at you
The similarities between the whiners of Barcelona & Bayern and the Ones on this site & at Old Trafford is all I was hoping to reduce
It was never going to happen for idiots who believe that the manager who sells RVP & Nani & hernandez to Utilise players like lingard & martial & memphis is going to hit the ground running & win titles
What's even funnier is the crying of our fans about the money spent
Then you have absolutely nuppties wanting to sack the manager as if any other manager would instantly make us a better team with the utilisation of lingard, januzaj & co. Mate they have so much adapting to do before a manager just as past it as mourinho can come manage a team never mind his reliance on his cheque book & negligence of youth.
Never mind his bland style of football too
What about the idiot's who think we were trying to progress last year? Does last year's squad look at all similar to this years
We have under-achieved no doubt, so has the managee & the players but let's not pretend that the likes of me & the other posters who get it didn't expect rhis type of results from the start. We did, before all of you combined - all we are trying to show is there are benefits & pretty strong ones at that hidden under the poor performances as seen at his almost duplicate performances for Bayern & Barcelona
You see people do realise that we have done research whilst the majority of others just stare
http://www.unique-design.net/librar...ee_ten_thousandths_of_a_second_difference.jpg
Rearrange the following into a well-known phrase or saying: off piss.
He needs to go now whilst we can still salvage something from this season.
This part is interesting, are you suggesting that Van gaal spent money on Di Maria and Falcao knowing that they weren't suited to his style? Are you suggesting that from the beginning he planned to get rid of them in his second season and start with a brand new concept and roster? Are you suggesting that he decided to waste money and time in 2014-2015? Weren't you the one suggesting that from the beginning he had a plan for the 3 years of his contract, because now you are suggesting that he had two plans?What about the idiot's who think we were trying to progress last year? Does last year's squad look at all similar to this years
Well done, this is the worst post I have seen without even reading it.
Big difference between assisting & being responsible. Spain was utter shite before iniesta & Xavi & also possesion football. This is something van gaal RE-started at barcelona.
That is all.
I wonder if Germany would have won things without Muller, Schweinsteiger (of course let's stick him out on the wing
I'm good for a laugh i guess. However, let's not pretend that no-one is laughing at you
The similarities between the whiners of Barcelona & Bayern and the Ones on this site & at Old Trafford is all I was hoping to reduce
It was never going to happen for idiots who believe that the manager who sells RVP & Nani & hernandez to Utilise players like lingard & martial & memphis is going to hit the ground running & win titles
What's even funnier is the crying of our fans about the money spent
Then you have absolutely nuppties wanting to sack the manager as if any other manager would instantly make us a better team with the utilisation of lingard, januzaj & co. Mate they have so much adapting to do before a manager just as past it as mourinho can come manage a team never mind his reliance on his cheque book & negligence of youth.
Never mind his bland style of football too
What about the idiot's who think we were trying to progress last year? Does last year's squad look at all similar to this years
We have under-achieved no doubt, so has the managee & the players but let's not pretend that the likes of me & the other posters who get it didn't expect rhis type of results from the start. We did, before all of you combined - all we are trying to show is there are benefits & pretty strong ones at that hidden under the poor performances as seen at his almost duplicate performances for Bayern & Barcelona
You see people do realise that we have done research whilst the majority of others just stare
http://www.unique-design.net/librar...ee_ten_thousandths_of_a_second_difference.jpg
'Januzaj and co.' have been neglected: Pereira is considering a loan move after nominal match time, Januzaj was sent out on loan, as was Wilson. And this was all during our worst period of attacking football that I have ever seen at this club. His bleeding and utilisation of youth is mythological. He has used defenders, but out of necessity rather than merit or abilities. Just another alleged positive of Vangle's to cross off his list. Charlatan.
Again, he has loaned out or planning to loan out the best youngsters. He has not loaned out Mcnair & lingard & jackson but loaned out wilson, januzaj & possibly now pereira.
Right, that suits his personal mission doesn't it? Afterall he did give these players new contracts too..
Nope. I never said his full 3 year contract was to rearrange. The first year was purely to get us back in to the CL. We bought just about any high quality player we could attract to a non CL competing team. My biggest dissapointment this season would be if we had to go back in to doing just that instead of progressing with youngsters.
Despite saying in the past he does not loan out his best youth players, saying it's better to keep them at the club.
So, what was his second year mission?
There's a lot of green in this post.
Big difference between assisting & being responsible. Spain was utter shite before iniesta & Xavi & also possesion football. This is something van gaal RE-started at barcelona.
That is all.
I wonder if Germany would have won things without Muller, Schweinsteiger (of course let's stick him out on the wing
I'm good for a laugh i guess. However, let's not pretend that no-one is laughing at you
The similarities between the whiners of Barcelona & Bayern and the Ones on this site & at Old Trafford is all I was hoping to reduce
It was never going to happen for idiots who believe that the manager who sells RVP & Nani & hernandez to Utilise players like lingard & martial & memphis is going to hit the ground running & win titles
What's even funnier is the crying of our fans about the money spent
Then you have absolutely nuppties wanting to sack the manager as if any other manager would instantly make us a better team with the utilisation of lingard, januzaj & co. Mate they have so much adapting to do before a manager just as past it as mourinho can come manage a team never mind his reliance on his cheque book & negligence of youth.
Never mind his bland style of football too
What about the idiot's who think we were trying to progress last year? Does last year's squad look at all similar to this years
We have under-achieved no doubt, so has the managee & the players but let's not pretend that the likes of me & the other posters who get it didn't expect rhis type of results from the start. We did, before all of you combined - all we are trying to show is there are benefits & pretty strong ones at that hidden under the poor performances as seen at his almost duplicate performances for Bayern & Barcelona
You see people do realise that we have done research whilst the majority of others just stare
http://www.unique-design.net/librar...ee_ten_thousandths_of_a_second_difference.jpg
To take us to Mars?
I've been in a bad mood since yesterday evening. Watching that LvG's manufactured rubbish, and then being stuck in traffic for 3 hours. Please stop posting these many smilies or I might just press the ban switch, and I'm generally a very placid person.
Big difference between assisting & being responsible. Spain was utter shite before iniesta & Xavi & also possesion football. This is something van gaal RE-started at barcelona.
That is all.
I wonder if Germany would have won things without Muller, Schweinsteiger (of course let's stick him out on the wing
I'm good for a laugh i guess. However, let's not pretend that no-one is laughing at you
The similarities between the whiners of Barcelona & Bayern and the Ones on this site & at Old Trafford is all I was hoping to reduce
It was never going to happen for idiots who believe that the manager who sells RVP & Nani & hernandez to Utilise players like lingard & martial & memphis is going to hit the ground running & win titles
What's even funnier is the crying of our fans about the money spent
Then you have absolutely nuppties wanting to sack the manager as if any other manager would instantly make us a better team with the utilisation of lingard, januzaj & co. Mate they have so much adapting to do before a manager just as past it as mourinho can come manage a team never mind his reliance on his cheque book & negligence of youth.
Never mind his bland style of football too
What about the idiot's who think we were trying to progress last year? Does last year's squad look at all similar to this years
We have under-achieved no doubt, so has the managee & the players but let's not pretend that the likes of me & the other posters who get it didn't expect rhis type of results from the start. We did, before all of you combined - all we are trying to show is there are benefits & pretty strong ones at that hidden under the poor performances as seen at his almost duplicate performances for Bayern & Barcelona
You see people do realise that we have done research whilst the majority of others just stare
http://www.unique-design.net/librar...ee_ten_thousandths_of_a_second_difference.jpg
I think literally two people on here think that. Pure delusion.
Its a miracle you haven't been banned yet.
Big difference between assisting & being responsible. Spain was utter shite before iniesta & Xavi & also possesion football. This is something van gaal RE-started at barcelona.
That is all.
I wonder if Germany would have won things without Muller, Schweinsteiger (of course let's stick him out on the wing
I'm good for a laugh i guess. However, let's not pretend that no-one is laughing at you
The similarities between the whiners of Barcelona & Bayern and the Ones on this site & at Old Trafford is all I was hoping to reduce
It was never going to happen for idiots who believe that the manager who sells RVP & Nani & hernandez to Utilise players like lingard & martial & memphis is going to hit the ground running & win titles
What's even funnier is the crying of our fans about the money spent
Then you have absolutely nuppties wanting to sack the manager as if any other manager would instantly make us a better team with the utilisation of lingard, januzaj & co. Mate they have so much adapting to do before a manager just as past it as mourinho can come manage a team never mind his reliance on his cheque book & negligence of youth.
Never mind his bland style of football too
What about the idiot's who think we were trying to progress last year? Does last year's squad look at all similar to this years
We have under-achieved no doubt, so has the managee & the players but let's not pretend that the likes of me & the other posters who get it didn't expect rhis type of results from the start. We did, before all of you combined - all we are trying to show is there are benefits & pretty strong ones at that hidden under the poor performances as seen at his almost duplicate performances for Bayern & Barcelona
You see people do realise that we have done research whilst the majority of others just stare
http://www.unique-design.net/librar...ee_ten_thousandths_of_a_second_difference.jpg
You are the worst poster I have even seen here and your agenda is clear for all to see.
What the feck is this shit? You need a lie down.
Big difference between assisting & being responsible. Spain was utter shite before iniesta & Xavi & also possesion football. This is something van gaal RE-started at barcelona.
That is all.
I wonder if Germany would have won things without Muller, Schweinsteiger (of course let's stick him out on the wing
I'm good for a laugh i guess. However, let's not pretend that no-one is laughing at you
The similarities between the whiners of Barcelona & Bayern and the Ones on this site & at Old Trafford is all I was hoping to reduce
It was never going to happen for idiots who believe that the manager who sells RVP & Nani & hernandez to Utilise players like lingard & martial & memphis is going to hit the ground running & win titles
What's even funnier is the crying of our fans about the money spent
Then you have absolutely nuppties wanting to sack the manager as if any other manager would instantly make us a better team with the utilisation of lingard, januzaj & co. Mate they have so much adapting to do before a manager just as past it as mourinho can come manage a team never mind his reliance on his cheque book & negligence of youth.
Never mind his bland style of football too
What about the idiot's who think we were trying to progress last year? Does last year's squad look at all similar to this years
We have under-achieved no doubt, so has the managee & the players but let's not pretend that the likes of me & the other posters who get it didn't expect rhis type of results from the start. We did, before all of you combined - all we are trying to show is there are benefits & pretty strong ones at that hidden under the poor performances as seen at his almost duplicate performances for Bayern & Barcelona
You see people do realise that we have done research whilst the majority of others just stare
http://www.unique-design.net/librar...ee_ten_thousandths_of_a_second_difference.jpg
So despite mourinho winning the PL last season he's past it, yet LVG is ridiculously defended?
@Santiago_KinderBueno
@Santiago_KinderBueno
@Santiago_KinderBueno is clearly a wum, not sure why he's given the time of day lads.