Every period clique Netanyahu is in power the conflict between the sides escalates and gets worse that it is no longer coincidence. JPRouve is spot on with his sentiments
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I'm sorry, but I can never, ever support the Israeli government. Doesnt mean I support Hamas killing innocent Israelis though.
I know a thing or two about a colonial power taking land that isnt theirs.
Maybe thats why my perspective is what it is?
Aside from that nonsense, if you read the whole thread, that poster also gives a fair assessment of the situation in the region and why Palestinians feel aggrieved. (S)He's fearing for (her)his people and country and there's nothing wrong with that. All of the posters really engaging in this thread are bit biased, which will inevitably lead to over the top statements or attempts to minimize the horrible shit that's been done or will be done by both sides. You can't change human nature.
Doesn't apply to me, though.
Good post.
Man if I could be a superhero, it would be him. OP.
Any person with half a brain cell got through your intentions in the beginning of this thread and called you out on it. It's not difficult to observe a pattern, you made a very obvious pattern.
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LA Times has retracted the rape claim as it’s been unsubstantiated.
@Raoul @calodo2003 - I know this wasn’t one of the sources you provided but I imagine given the wording and phrases used, they all came from that Tablet article which would suggest it’s been made up / misinformation.
@Iker Quesadillas @hasanejaz88 fyi as well.
I reckon we are a day or two out from people saying this is either an inside job by Israel or a false flag event given some of the wild shit flying around twitter.
Agreed
I was mainly talking to the fact that Israel’s policies are creating a constant cycle of radicalization among those forced to live in Gaza.
Is what has actually happened not bad enough that these outlets can't take a single day off from reporting unsubstantiated bollocks as fact?
Israel literally pays its citizens to push out hordes and hordes of misinformation and propaganda.
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/t...el-uses-hasbara-to-whitewash-its-crimes-46775
Let's see if other outlets/mainstream do the same.
The rape and decapitating babies allegations will no doubt be looked at in the coming days once survivors begin telling their stories of what they saw and experienced. In either case, they won't change Israeli policy of a ground war into Gaza to get rid of Hamas. That would've happened anyway as a result of the 1k plus deaths.
Question for those in the 'what choice does Israel have?' camp.
Hypothetically if the Palestinian resistance becomes a completely pacifist and peaceful one overnight, what do you anticipate would happen? Would the Israelis stop building illegal settlements, chipping away at Palestinian territories until there's nothing left for them to cobble together for a country to call their own? And if they don't, who's going to stop them? Are the international community going to mobilise to place sanctions and force their hand?
For me thats always been the frustrating constant. These events are horrible, and I despair to imagine the suffering that's happened in the last few days. But why do we only seem to ask hard questions at times where the fair share of suffering is endured by one side?
Hypothetically if the Palestinian resistance becomes a completely pacifist and peaceful one overnight, what do you anticipate would happen? Would the Israelis stop building illegal settlements, chipping away at Palestinian territories until there's nothing left for them to cobble together for a country to call their own? And if they don't, who's going to stop them? Are the international community going to mobilise to place sanctions and force their hand?
For me thats always been the frustrating constant. These events are horrible, and I despair to imagine the suffering that's happened in the last few days. But why do we only seem to ask hard questions at times where the fair share of suffering is endured by one side?
I know and am aware, but I highly, highly doubt they'd deliberately allow this to happen or facilitate it to happen for a nefarious conspiracy/reason/justification
I posted quite a while ago that there was no evidence of it.
The baby thing, I just don't know. It could well have been kept under wraps. Hope to hell its bullshit
wow
I’m not debating whether it changes policy. You were convinced that they happened yesterday, and I’ve provided evidence that a sizeable news organisation has retracted any reference to it as it’s unsubstantiated. Do you know accept the possibility that the rape claims were unsubstantiated and possibly fabricated?
I imagine it'll be silence.
I said there were reports/allegations, which is precisely what they are. Let's wait and see what the accounts are once more people who were actually there begin talking.
I said earlier in the thread, the difference is purely application and technology
Not sure much thought goes into things like this other than hatred, revenge and desperation. There's no prospect of it achieving anything.
Really hope there's no truth to massacring babies, but the propaganda machine will kick in either way now and that will be the licence for however many innocent people are killed in retaliation. Which of course makes no sense either.
Unfortunately there's a political agenda to uniting people and your potential opponents against a common enemy, and there'll always be a Hamas or some version of it that will punch back. There are just a lot of innocent people stuck in the middle of it, most of whom are probably firmly entrenched in one side or the other themselves due to not liking the threat of bombs being dropped on them or people just randomly turning up to slaughter them.
What the feck is wrong with people? Chopping babies heads? I mean what kind of monsters can do something like that? There was also a video of a Palestinian baby pulled out of a destroyed building, unconscious or lifeless, made me sick in the stomach. Human barbarity never fails to shock me.
The last place Palestinians should look for for sympathy is the Germany and the EU. With their heavy guilt from WWII and before, Israel can annihilate the whole of Palestine and their politicians will come out with a statement calling for restraint from both sides.
I love living in Germany and it's people, but this is one facet you can't ignore about them.
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Palestine will be erased from the map in a matter of decades and no one will actually care.
Edit: And if Israel were defenceless, I suspect that the reverse would be true.
Rorschach for me.
That Dr Manhatten clip, "that was the last time I felt fear" I get why mate.
Precisely. So what do people suggest the Palestinians do? Give up and concede to a life of statelessness, living out their days in refugee camps? Disappear off the face of the earth to make everyone's life easier?
It's moments in history like this and with things going on in Ukraine - that an invasion of extraterrestrial beings coming for us to unite the people of earth against a common enemy might be good. Compared to other places on the interweb right now this is relatively civil, but just the bickering and division this sows beyond the borders of Israel is sad to see.
Praying it's lies.
Exactly that. Just shut up and get in the sea.
You know the answers to all those valid questions.
Here's one. "This is not the time to have those conversations. Let Israel mourn for years first. Whataboutism"
It's pretty amazing that people just realised the monstrosity of these events after they read about it in the western media because it was Isrealis at the end of it, when Israelis bombed hospitals, civilian buildings, attacked innocent people during months like Ramadan in mosques for months and years without anyone giving zero fecks about it.
My conspiracy theory is that the US spend so much more on defence, not to run the world but because they discovered aliens and are terrified they're coming back.
But they aren't defenceless. They're a military superpower with nuclear weapons, supported unequivocally by the world's sole superpower. They're not going anywhere. In truth there's only one group of people who's future statehood aspirations and existence as a people at dire risk, and its been happening gradually for decades without the slightest whimper of despair from in the international community.
You could just as easily ask what would happen if Israel stood down its offense and let the people of Gaza roam free. Would the same people, who sacrificed so many of their own to kill 1000+ Israelis lay down their weapons and try to live in peace?
*X-Files theme starts playing*
I've actually heard this theory before. If true, I take back everything Ive said about criticizing our defense spending instead of routing it to infrastructure, education, etc.
The most realistic solution for me is not very realistic. It would be for the responsible countries - Israel Britain USA, Jordan Egypt Lebanon etc to carve up the population and accept them as refugees.
2 state solution would effectively be a rump state now, would solve nothing.
And they can’t continue on the current path of resistance. They’ll be wiped out.
ergo, there’s no solution…