One of the most idiotic things I’ve seen/heard….and that’s saying a lot!The fact that his moronic question is prefaced with all Knesset members coming out with genocidal rhetoric, and then he's asking for a written document is absurd.
It's a bizarre question but I think it reveals an interesting insight in that due to the extent of documentation of the Holocaust and the way it was perpetrated in such a systemic manner, a lot of people don't understand that genocide can also be committed in a less institutionally organised way, to put it crassly.Tweet
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German journalist want a document from the UN written by the Israeli state as a proof of genocide intent.
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Shameful from Biden but not surprising. Biden is just a weak old man who doesn’t give a shit about the Palestinians.Tweet
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Sickens me that people like this will no doubt be allowed back into the UK.
Shouldn't be, like the Isis terrorists, but doubt any country has the balls to terminate a Jewish person's citizenship.Sickens me that people like this will no doubt be allowed back into the UK.
Very depressing to me. The strand of Zionism that I have in the past identified with, that is Labor/Socialist Zionism, seems all but dead and buried in Israel, really only existing in Kibbutzim and what remains of the left in Israel.Sickens me that people like this will no doubt be allowed back into the UK.
Makes no sense to me why russia is banned but not israel.Protests at Israel-Norway match U-19 match
I don't know what can be done about this, barring the end of the what they are doing in Gaza, which may not even be a guarantee.
Couldn't play in in the AFC for obvious reasons, now starting to look like it can't really play matches in UEFA.
Thoughts?
Perhaps Israel hasn't quite yet reached the pariah status that Russia has, but if they continue doing what they are doing in Gaza, the pressure on UEFA surely will see them take similar measures, one would imagine.Makes no sense to me why russia is banned but not israel.
No chance. The Germans for starters would riot if the mere suggestion was made, and that's judging by their pathetic apologist stance and using any opportunity to try and absolve them of war crimes. Various other European nations would probably act no differently.Perhaps Israel hasn't quite yet reached the pariah status that Russia has, but if they continue doing what they are doing in Gaza, the pressure on UEFA surely will see them take similar measures, one would imagine.
I suppose as a non-European, I didn't realise that Germany still holds such collective guilt, such that this guilt has the tail, on occasion, wagging the dog. I mean it's been almost 90 years since the Nazi regime was dissolved, and I say this as a descendant of Holocaust survivors.No chance. The Germans for starters would riot if the mere suggestion was made, and that's judging by their pathetic apologist stance and using any opportunity to try and absolve them of war crimes. Various other European nations would probably act no differently.
That’s on hold, indefinitelyOh, strongest condemnation
Anyway...about the relationship normalization
They should be banned from international and European football. It happened to every fecking country engaged in unjust war except for them.Protests at Israel-Norway match U-19 match
I don't know what can be done about this, barring the end of the what they are doing in Gaza, which may not even be a guarantee.
Couldn't play in in the AFC for obvious reasons, now starting to look like it can't really play matches in UEFA.
Thoughts?
Israel reached Russia's level decades ago. They have been colonizing and occupying Gaza and the WB for 50 years, lets not kid ourselves.Perhaps Israel hasn't quite yet reached the pariah status that Russia has, but if they continue doing what they are doing in Gaza, the pressure on UEFA surely will see them take similar measures, one would imagine.
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I give them 5 years topsThat’s on hold, indefinitely
Russia looks like a choir boy in comparison.Perhaps Israel hasn't quite yet reached the pariah status that Russia has, but if they continue doing what they are doing in Gaza, the pressure on UEFA surely will see them take similar measures, one would imagine.
The rest of the west supports them as well, less publicly, yes, but support them where it matters and anyway, who cares if you have the US at your side? They don't care what the world thinks about them, even the US if they reach their goal. Their promised land. Even if it means being a pariah. Once the goal is achieved, they will make amends and in decades they will say: " we were horrible! poor Palestinians!" and palestinians will be like the first nations in america. The endRussians looks like a choir boy in comparison.
Israel is a pariah state and many countries in the West wouldn't touch them with a barge pole at the moment. I've never seen Israel so isolated in my lifetime. The US for obvious reasons, and a self-flagellating and indifferent, to put it politely, Germany which confirms once again why it never should never play any meaningful role in international matters, are about the last countries that still unconditionally support them. More than enough for Israel to do whatever they want right now, but it will backfire in the coming decades.
You can bet your house that if it was any other country than Israel, you'd see a flurry of condemnations, economic sanctions and most likely military actions taken against it. A UEFA boycott would be the least of their problems.
Fair enough. I might still have some unconscious biases as I have some relatives over there and lived there for my gap year after finishing school, when I was a member of a Zionist socialist youth movement.Israel reached Russia's level decades ago. They have been colonizing and occupying Gaza and the WB for 50 years, lets not kid ourselves.
Who is not guilty of unconscious bias? We all have it, it's not easy to fight it, but we should.Fair enough. I might still have some unconscious biases as I have some relatives over there and lived there for my gap year after finishing school, when I was a member of a Zionist socialist youth movement.
I also went to a secular Jewish school and had quite a partisan education where we were basically taught that Israel was a benign state and there was very little mention about Israel's treatment of the Palestinian people.
It's been quite a journey for me to unlearn what I was 'taught'.
The SA case that Ireland joined is not in the ICC, it is in the ICJ. Every single member state in the UN is by default a signatory to the ICJ including the USA and Israel. The ICC on the other hand is a criminal court and not all states are signatories to it. But even if they are not signatories that does not prevent the court from persecuting indiviuals from these states.When you have killed and/or maimed >1% (dead); >5% injured, the world doesn't tend to just forget about it. This is still ongoing and genocide is being confirmed, via convention, at the ICC as well as other supranational forums. Ireland joining SA is not so small as it seems given that government's tendency to not follow public consensus on foreign policy issues. If that snowballs into many states, Israel is in trouble. It doesn't recognize the ICC iirc because it is a war-criminal within its own land and outside that. Like the USA and Russia. Would have to recheck that, though.
SC passing resolution. By themselves, all minor points. Together and continuing to build in dialectic relationship with Israel's behavior on the ground, this really is the most isolated Israel has been in most people's lifetimes. The kicker, for the fanatical Israeli right, is that the Arab League nations are more important in trade and security terms (as a rising bloc of >one billion people inclined, somewhat, to "look west").
Thanks, I thought I had that wrong.The SA case that Ireland joined is not in the ICC, it is in the ICJ. Every single member state in the UN is by default a signatory to the ICJ including the USA and Israel. The ICC on the other hand is a criminal court and not all states are signatories to it. But even if they are not signatories that does not prevent the court from persecuting indiviuals from these states.
Not directly, AFAIK. Jonathan Capehart (MSNBC) lately asked Biden about whether he had a red line about what Israel can do and the latter replied that there's effectively none.Perhaps I've missed it or don't remember it anymore, but has Biden actually been questioned on camera about his policy decisions on Israel? The continued arms shipments to Israel? Whether he thinks Israel has violated international humanitarian law?
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It's worse than Russia, just has the US defending it, for now...Perhaps Israel hasn't quite yet reached the pariah status that Russia has, but if they continue doing what they are doing in Gaza, the pressure on UEFA surely will see them take similar measures, one would imagine.
Biden has not been visible enough for months now. Maybe it’s the age, maybe fatigue, maybe trying to avoid potential confrontations with young people and others who oppose his policy towards Gaza. Maybe all of the above. But, he’s clearly not sufficiently visible. I also believe that the biggest change happened since October.Perhaps I've missed it or don't remember it anymore, but has Biden actually been questioned on camera about his policy decisions on Israel? The continued arms shipments to Israel? Whether he thinks Israel has violated international humanitarian law?
Strip this terrorists citizenship.
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