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It’s obviously his fault. He was top scorer for the whole 2021 year at Juve yet left in August. Juve where declining already and giving the likes of Ramsay 30000€ a week symbols that. But let’s blame Ronaldo
It's not his fault, but i think Ronaldo should have never moved to Juventus, it was bad for both parties.
Cristiano didn't challenge for Balloon D'or (performances in Serie A are not considered for Ballon D'or anymore, as the league has declined in quality) and Juventus didn't do any better in UCL than in the previous years.

Ronaldo should have never left Real Madrid, he could have won one more Balloon D'or and one more UCL.
 
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Fault is too strong but he did change the dynamic for Juventus and not for the better despite his personal success. It was a bad fit, he really should have just come back here rather than go to Juventus :(
 

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Empoli ahead against Lazio via a penalty. Absolute madness from the keeper. Now 2, what on earth are Lazio doing?
 

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It's not his fault, but i think Ronaldo should have never moved to Juventus, it was bad for both parties.
Cristiano didn't challenge for Balloon D'or (performances in Serie A are not considered for Ballon D'or anymore, as the league has declined in quality) and Juventus didn't do any better in UCL than in the previous years.

Ronaldo should have never left Real Madrid, he could have won one more Balloon D'or and one more UCL.
The double confrontation between Juventus and Real Madrid in 2018 (the season Juve didn't have Bonucci, and almost lost the title to Napoli) suggested otherwise. 3-0, 1-3. It left everyone feeling Ronaldo was the only thing keeping Madrid ahead. And still, Perez refused to give him the salary he asked for.

He has such an ego, he wanted to be the one that gave Juventus a CL win, which would have been more impressive than winning it again with the competition's specialists Real Madrid.

For Juventus it was a good finacial deal, Adidas and Jeep increased their sponsorship agreements immediatly after his arrival. The fruits of which will continue to fall beyond his departure. But the rules of Finacial fair play forced the club to limit its investments, having to account for 80 M for Ronaldo each season, and instead recruit free agents like Ramsey and Rabiot without deeper analysis of said players real added value to the team.
 

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The double confrontation between Juventus and Real Madrid in 2018 (the season Juve didn't have Bonucci, and almost lost the title to Napoli) suggested otherwise. 3-0, 1-3. It left everyone feeling Ronaldo was the only thing keeping Madrid ahead. And still, Perez refused to give him the salary he asked for.

He has such an ego, he wanted to be the one that gave Juventus a CL win, which would have been more impressive than winning it again with the competition's specialists Real Madrid.

For Juventus it was a good finacial deal, Adidas and Jeep increased their sponsorship agreements immediatly after his arrival. The fruits of which will continue to fall beyond his departure. But the rules of Finacial fair play forced the club to limit its investments, having to account for 80 M for Ronaldo each season, and instead recruit free agents like Ramsey and Rabiot without deeper analysis of said players real added value to the team.
He wasn't the only one keeping Madrid ahead, the whole Madrid team destroyed Juventus in the first leg, then got outplayed by Juventus in the second leg and got in to semis thanks to a dodgy penalty in the last minute, the penalty(who wasn't a penalty tbh) wasn't even committed on Cristiano, it was on Lucas Vasquez, Ronaldo took it, but he had a very poor game.
Then in the semis he was invisible against Bayern Munich on both legs, and then invisible in the final against Liverpool, where Benzema and Bale were the best Madrid players by far.
He was hardly the only one keeping Madrid ahead, as Marcelo and Casemiro had massive games against PSG and Juve (first leg).
Yes, he has a massive ego, he probably thought that of himself, but reality says otherwise.

Anyway, he should have never left Real Madrid, he isn't competing for Balloon D'or anymore, and won't win big trophies with average playera such as Maguire,Wan Bissaka,Fred, McTominay,etc
 

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It's not his fault, but i think Ronaldo should have never moved to Juventus, it was bad for both parties.
Cristiano didn't challenge for Balloon D'or (performances in Serie A are not considered for Ballon D'or anymore, as the league has declined in quality) and Juventus didn't do any better in UCL than in the previous years.

Ronaldo should have never left Real Madrid, he could have won one more Balloon D'or and one more UCL.
Agree with your statement, Real Madrid and Ronaldo are compliment each other especially in term of personality. I have a doubt with his personality for a long time. He really wants a team that understand and support his character in a right way and Real Madrid is a right choice for him.
 

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Yeah, that's a joke, ASL cannot have so much power.
Good thing there will be a summit between the Italian government, regions and Lega Serie A next week to decide regarding the matter.
 

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Just saw the Milan lineup, if Mourinho doesn't beat this he should quit football.
 

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Why is the idiot stretching his arm?
Looks bad in slow motion but honestly he is shifting his momentum in that direction and it is a function of balance, at normal speed there is nothing much to see but I get how VAR makes these things possible. I don't think there was enough contact to make it meaningful and the fact the Milan players didn't react lets you know how minimal of a deflection there was if at all.
 

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That 'handball' is never a pen, doesn't even make a dent on the ball at all and in real time not a single person thought it hit the arm. They still frame the lightest brush off the arm to make it a penalty.. Thankfully the PL has got rid of that kind of rubbish this season.
 

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The double confrontation between Juventus and Real Madrid in 2018 (the season Juve didn't have Bonucci, and almost lost the title to Napoli) suggested otherwise. 3-0, 1-3. It left everyone feeling Ronaldo was the only thing keeping Madrid ahead. And still, Perez refused to give him the salary he asked for.

He has such an ego, he wanted to be the one that gave Juventus a CL win, which would have been more impressive than winning it again with the competition's specialists Real Madrid.

For Juventus it was a good finacial deal, Adidas and Jeep increased their sponsorship agreements immediatly after his arrival. The fruits of which will continue to fall beyond his departure. But the rules of Finacial fair play forced the club to limit its investments, having to account for 80 M for Ronaldo each season, and instead recruit free agents like Ramsey and Rabiot without deeper analysis of said players real added value to the team.
If anything, that 1-3 loss to Juve showed how vital Sergio Ramos was for Real in terms of leadership, defense and overall coordination as he was suspended that day.
Here is a quote from Guardian live game:

42 min: At the moment the key from a Real viewpoint is that Ramos is missing: without him Real’s defence look extremely fragile in the air, certainly no match for Mandzukic.
61 min: The camera keeps picking out Ramos, who is sitting in the posh seats with a smart hat. Real are almost visibly pining for him on the pitch.
 

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He wasn't the only one keeping Madrid ahead, the whole Madrid team destroyed Juventus in the first leg, then got outplayed by Juventus in the second leg and got in to semis thanks to a dodgy penalty in the last minute, the penalty(who wasn't a penalty tbh) wasn't even committed on Cristiano, it was on Lucas Vasquez, Ronaldo took it, but he had a very poor game.
I think Ronaldo provided the assist to Vasquez, I remember the TV studio comparing it to the last 3 times Juventus kicked Real out of the Champions League, Del Piero, Zlatan and Pogba (in 2015) the previous providers, always the same way with goals assisted like that, headers from the far post back to a striker who scores. Or in Vasquez's case draws a penalty.


If anything, that 1-3 loss to Juve showed how vital Sergio Ramos was for Real in terms of leadership, defense and overall coordination as he was suspended that day.
Here is a quote from Guardian live game:

42 min: At the moment the key from a Real viewpoint is that Ramos is missing: without him Real’s defence look extremely fragile in the air, certainly no match for Mandzukic.
61 min: The camera keeps picking out Ramos, who is sitting in the posh seats with a smart hat. Real are almost visibly pining for him on the pitch.
Juventus were without Bonucci the whole season, as compared to the team Ronaldo joined in the summer who had gotten Bonucci back, and added also Cancelo.

Juventus were without their normal midfield in the first game and Chiellini played with injuries and Dybala got a red card.

I was merely trying to think as Ronaldo would have in 2018 summer when he chose to make the move. Most of the reporting was Ronaldo won it with his wonderfull bycicle in the first leg and saved it with the penalty.


This will age well and I am watching live. :lol:
Roma tactics are really poor in the first of 20 minutes.
The Milan defence is quite poor and you got nobody on the bench. I have to beleive Roma is still going to win this.
 
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Juventus were without Bonucci the whole season, as compared to the team Ronaldo joined in the summer who had gotten Bonucci back, and added also Cancelo.

Juventus were without their normal midfield in the first game and Chiellini played with injuries and Dybala got a red card.

I was merely trying to think as Ronaldo would have in 2018 summer when he chose to make the move. Most of the reporting was Ronaldo won it with his wonderfull bycicle in the first leg and saved it with the penalty.
I agree, to me, Juve choice for Ronaldo was a no brainer. With almost guaranteed Serie A titles, he could have full focus on the CL for a team that already 2 CL finals in the prior 4 years. And of course, all the potential upside coming with "doing it in another major league" arguments could significantly add to his legacy. At that point, I never felt Juve or Ronaldo was taking a big risk with this transfer but you clearly see ex-post that was a wrong move for both sides.
 

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Inter will most likely just run away with the title again , but ac Milan actually seem to have some fight left in them compared to their miserable outing in the second half of last season.

Also its some good fun , watch them if you can as serie is far from the defensive league we were used to before.
 

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I agree, to me, Juve choice for Ronaldo was a no brainer. With almost guaranteed Serie A titles, he could have full focus on the CL for a team that already 2 CL finals in the prior 4 years. And of course, all the potential upside coming with "doing it in another major league" arguments could significantly add to his legacy. At that point, I never felt Juve or Ronaldo was taking a big risk with this transfer but you clearly see ex-post that was a wrong move for both sides.
You guys squandered your chances, 2015 and 17 aside You had great momentum going in that Ajax match but somehow managed to give it all away.

After that you never were in it to begin with as I doubt any team could win it with sari and pirlo as coaches and that dreadful midfield.

Overall a waste of everyone's time by both parties.
 

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You guys squandered your chances, 2015 and 17 aside You had great momentum going in that Ajax match but somehow managed to give it all away.

After that you never were in it to begin with as I doubt any team could win it with sari and pirlo as coaches and that dreadful midfield.

Overall a waste of everyone's time by both parties.
great statement, you’re right in this department.
On above, I‘ve already said about different team personalities which I’m sure it had effected his game a lot in 2 years.
Juventus and Real Madrid players had different characters and mindset, he seemed to suit more in Real.The reasons, I will tell it later. :)
 

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Today game shows it that Mourinho’s tactics in this game are bad suit for Roma.
 

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Mourinho in losing another big game shock.

They'll be out of top 7 soon enough. Wonder how low they'd have to drop before he's in serious sanger of being sacked before May, bottom half?
 

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Inter will most likely just run away with the title again , but ac Milan actually seem to have some fight left in them compared to their miserable outing in the second half of last season.

Also its some good fun , watch them if you can as serie is far from the defensive league we were used to before.
Tbh, I think Inter will win the title but we will fight as much as we can.
 

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Tbh, I think Inter will win the title but we will fight as much as we can.
You've had terrible luck with injuries to be fair, so definitely an improvement compared to last year on your side, though inter may very well go on to build a dynasty with the way its going for them.
 

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You've had terrible luck with injuries to be fair, so definitely an improvement compared to last year on your side, though inter may very well go on to build a dynasty with the way its going for them.
I'm so proud to see the improvement of our kids(since all of them include Ibra and Giroud is younger than me).I can see our kids have developed year by year in term of their decision making, personal skillset and mentality. Even if this team loses the title against Inter, I will say that I'm so proud to this squad.

I impress our performances in this season and I hope we will come back to the title in next season .
 

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You can support teams in different countries legitimately imho.
Yes, you're right.
I even support FC Barcelona in La Liga and Bayern in Bundesliga. Anyway, I really love Liverpool and Milan more than any other football teams in this planet.