When I read the first sentence there I thought 'fecking hell, TR is being surprisingly nice there'. Then I read the secondCan't relate to any of this sadly. Not because I'm a 'top red' but because I have a fecking brain.
When I read the first sentence there I thought 'fecking hell, TR is being surprisingly nice there'. Then I read the secondCan't relate to any of this sadly. Not because I'm a 'top red' but because I have a fecking brain.
The mere mention of it, when it was clearly to do with football, albeit a poor metafor, and not meant as derogatory offends you?Originally had Third Reich in the title.
Can't relate to any of this sadly. Not because I'm a 'top red' but because I have a fecking brain.
The players, manager and club will always get my support through the good and the bad times. When things are going badly that's when the fans show their class and step up. Not run away and cry about it.
I respect people who want change and their opinions but it's all about being constructive with it. If you want to just throw your toys out of the pram and boycott the club go ahead but don't come back. You sure as hell won't be missed.
The problem with Moyes is I don't like his style. It simply doesn't excite me or fill me with confidence in the sense I still have no idea what he is trying to achieve at the club. Surely when he was considered for the job the club must have looked at his vision and plans for the future? What tactics and style he wanted to employ and how he would set out to achieve it?
I was thinking about this earlier and it is the first time I have said it but I am really disappointed by the way the club has handled the departure of Sir Alex. We have had 20 odd years to plan for it yet the whole appointment of Moyes appears to have been done with little to no research. I appreciate the Glazers aren't football men but I expected much better from the influence of Sir Alex and Sir Bobby, then again, without meaning disrespect, are they too old to appreciate and understand these new modern coaches and the tactics they produce?
We were quite lucky that Mourinho and Guardiola were both available the summer of Sir Alex's retirement and logically they are the only two managers I feel could have slotted into the role instantly and command the same respect as Sir Alex himself. If you decide to approach the appointment in a different way, in a way which looks more to the future rather than the expectancy of instant success then we should have been looking at Jurgen Klopp or another similar manager with fresh ideas who practises modern football.
When you look at Klopp, Simeone, Rodgers, Conte and even the likes of Martinez and Pochettino, you can't help but be frustrated and ask questions. They all seem light years ahead of what Moyes and his coaches have brought to our club.
Personally, I'm waiting for the movie.Such a long post and no tldr. I applaud anyone who read the entire post.
Mate, you've just created a scenario that has (afaik) yet to happen and treated it as a fact in the same sentence. That's just silly.The fact that most of the posters on the first page shitting on the write-up are same the people who'd go 100% "amazing post mate", "well written, considering all the negativity on the forum" for a post which is pro-Mourinho, but just as "badly" written, has me curious about the write-up.
Fully agree. Sums up my feelings as well.At the end of Monday's game the fans did themselves and United proud, it was a great moment of class from fans who have been used to almost constant success. Watching your team get beat 3-0 on a work night and staying to show support afterwards has nothing to do with Donald Trump, showing support for a manager and the players despite not enjoying the football that is on offer does not alienate young fans, pulling out your debit card to pay a hefty sum for a season ticket without hope if seeing the league title raised is not some act of right wing "top red" bravado.
It all comes from the fact that this club has given us all some of the most magical moments from the time we were children. There is a type of bond there that saw us take record crowds to the second division.
I think Jose is the wrong fit for the club at this point, I will keep going and keep supporting the team though. If you feel that puts me in the dark ages and makes me a detriment to our club then we disagree.
Okay.Mate, you've just created a scenario that has (afaik) yet to happen and treated it as a fact in the same sentence. That's just silly.
Honestly, i was exhausted after the thread title (no clue what itt means), looked at the picture, read Sevilla - Aftermath, then i stopped.Such a long post and no tldr. I applaud anyone who read the entire post.
Many, myself included, were desperate for this move. Mourinho hasn’t lived up to what we hoped he would have. It is what it is.A couple of years ago... the OP was desperate for us to sack LVG and get Mourinho in.
What a way to come full circle.
Many of us wanted Mourinho back then and now want him out. We thought the risk was worth it because he would bring success despite his antics and questionable footballing style. Since he's not bringing success, losing in incredible fashion, and the atmosphere is increasingly toxic, it's reasonable to want him sacked.A couple of years ago... the OP was desperate for us to sack LVG and get Mourinho in.
What a way to come full circle.
As a rule, if I don't get paid for marking, I don't read essays.Honestly, i was exhausted after the thread title (no clue what itt means), looked at the picture, read Sevilla - Aftermath, then i stopped.
How far did you get?
Im sorry. I don't mind some of his points and actually understand him but can't accept boycotting the club you supposedly love and throwing digs at the match going fans.When I read the first sentence there I thought 'fecking hell, TR is being surprisingly nice there'. Then I read the second
I get the people who are saying they were hopeful about Mourinho before he arrived but I just had a look through this guys posts around that time and he was talking about a Boycott all the way back then because of Van Gaal. He loves a boycott this lad.A couple of years ago... the OP was desperate for us to sack LVG and get Mourinho in.
What a way to come full circle.
I've also had family who were affected by World War 2, one of whom was tortured and bore a lifelong hatred towards a certain people because of it. I find your faux offence at my offence offensive.The mere mention of it, when it was clearly to do with football, albeit a poor metafor, and not meant as derogatory offends you?
As a man who's two grandfather's fought in the 2nd world war, one making it back and the other not making it back, I find your faux offence offending.
Glad you’ve pointed that out. Said it before -peak Jose was a genuinely great football manager - an icon and inspirational. His football wasn’t pretty but it wasn’t ‘bad’ football, it was similar to say Atletico now and I’d argue even more exciting. I was hoping in a supportive environment which he has more than had in the first two seasons, would get him back to that standard not to mention I brought into the fact he genuinely cared about this club because it meant something special to be able to replace SAF. I sincerely hope after this role whatever happens, his legacy still remains undininished because even the greats of the game have their day. Not everyone can be Fergie and leave on a high.A couple of years ago... the OP was desperate for us to sack LVG and get Mourinho in.
What a way to come full circle.
Exactly the same spot! Then I just looked at the various sub-headings for a laugh.Honestly, i was exhausted after the thread title (no clue what itt means), looked at the picture, read Sevilla - Aftermath, then i stopped.
How far did you get?
Then you're not a supporter. You're instead, one of the 'consumers' Woodward likes to wax lyrical about.I won't support the team while he is in charge. He's a disgrace to the club. There is a difference between not being good enough i.e. Moyes/LVG and behaving the way Mourinho has in the past year. The results also don't back up his methods or make up for his behaviour and the football is tumescent as feck. I'll be celebrating when he is sacked and will no doubt be eager to be the first to post in his farewell thread. No point wasting any emotions in supporting this current shitshow.
It's weird because I was never sold on him... not even back when it seemed like every man and his dog wanted us to hire him.Many of us wanted Mourinho back then and now want him out. We thought the risk was worth it because he would bring success despite his antics and questionable footballing style. Since he's not bringing success, losing in incredible fashion, and the atmosphere is increasingly toxic, it's reasonable to want him sacked.
Yeah I feel you. I actually don't hate him, and wouldn't stop supporting the team and manager, but I can tell that this is not going to work out. If we are to be without success for a while, let's at least get back to a style that we can all be proud about. We WILL get success sooner or later. Our resources are too vast to not be.It's weird because I was never sold on him... not even back when it seemed like every man and his dog wanted us to hire him.
I'm still not sold... but whilst he is our manager, he has my support 100%.
Easiest example to find since we all hated moyes@MJJ
Digging out a post from over 4 years ago. Really? Anyhow not sure what that proves as at no point do I suggest I'll boycott the club and stop providing my support (which is the reason I don't like @Raees post by the way, not because he has an opinion)
I appreciate the little fan club I have on here but this must stop!
Surely win at all costs supporters who don’t really care about the principles of the club and what it represents are more consumer like. They show zero loyalty to their players and jump down their throats juar because of some bad results or because their manager has told them to (despite being presented with evidence to the contrary).Then you're not a supporter. You're instead, one of the 'consumers' Woodward likes to wax lyrical about.
It's pretty simple really. If you can't support the club in its difficult periods, you don't deserve them in the better periods.
I'm personally not a fan of Jose at all, and would rather he wasn't here, but I will never go to the extent of not going to the games or lend my support. Utd is an institution that goes far beyond a manager we don't like.
I understand why you are upset but I don't understand why you would boycott the club? Do you consider that by not taking actions, the club is complicit? I have to admit that I don't understand how people can be behind Mourinho when he seems to consider his own past greater than United's, maybe I have the wrong impression but that's how I see it.Surely win at all costs supporters who don’t really care about the principles of the club and what it represents are more consumer like. They show zero loyalty to their players and jump down their throats juar because of some bad results or because their manager has told them to (despite being presented with evidence to the contrary).
I’m not boycotting the club because it’s not successful.. we were less successful under Moyes and LVG and I didn’t boycott the club then. It’s a principled stance on the fact that the manager has crossed the line several times in his comments about the club and the manner in which he exposes to the media re: inner workings of the club and blames his players even when he is to blame and then flips 180 citing fake news when the media has turned against him. I refuse to support that way of working. It’s not Manchester United.
If you care for the club, you want what is best for it. Why would I want to support someone who is abusing the club whenever it suits him to further his own agenda.
I mean..I’m not boycotting the club because it’s not successful.. we were less successful under Moyes and LVG and I didn’t boycott the club then.
Boycott our games next year. I will probably take on a new hobby to make up for the gaping hole of not watching United and probably watch Liverpool games as I enjoy the way Klopp has them playing and will be interesting to see a Pep led City/Conte led Chelsea. I watch their games on and off anyway but definitely will do so more regularly next year just out of interest to see how their seasons pan out. They're the only PL teams which could interest me as a neutral. Arsenal are too cowardly for me to enjoy their games and I don't envisage seeing any progress.
I will probably want Spurs to win the league.
Boycotting the club is perhaps the wrong phrase. Boycotting this current project is perhaps more accurate representation. Of course the club is complicit, Ed has messed up majorly on several occasions (I wrote threads years ago about how he was a idiot and not capable of handling football operations) but end of the day, I can’t boycott the club eternally and someone like Ed will remain a part of the fabric of the club for years to come and he might be a moron but I think he does actually what wants best for the club albeit he has been woefully misguided in his approach and is out of his depth. I can be pissed at Woodward which I am but I don’t dislike him on a personal level or think he’s an unprincipled cnut or the club for that matter. I don’t buy this narrative that the board are evil greedy miserly money men who have prevented Mourinho from a fantastic final year of this three year project. Once a new manager is appointed - pretty sure large amounts will be spent again. As much as we can retain our global status on the back of Busby and Sir Alex’s achievements, profits will always increase if the club is successful on the pitch too.I understand why you are upset but I don't understand why you would boycott the club? Do you consider that by not taking actions, the club is complicit? I have to admit that I don't understand how people can be behind Mourinho when he seems to consider his own past greater than United's, maybe I have the wrong impression but that's how I see it.