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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I like him, a big lump and is usually in the right place at the right time. Good with his head so we may actually score a few from corners. If we make an approach, Brentford will see ££££ signs and ask a stupid amount. Definitely worth considering given what we’ve got and especially if CR7 buggers off in January.
He will guarantee us goals - I am all for signing Toney. And I get the feeling that Frank is willing to let Toney go if they get a really good offer -rather than insisting on an INSANE offer. He seems that kind of manager.
And if Kane gets suspended or injured....who do England use that is a bit similar to Kane ?
Crazy not to have space to take a in form striker like toney. Usual england squad rubbish of picking players who have barely played i.e. walker, phillips, maguire etc.
Shame he's not going
SAF would have signed a player like Toney for sure. Loved those proven PL goalscorers. If he can score goals for Brentford, he can score goals for United.
That’s SUCH a bad description of Toney! Have you ever watched him play…?
Also, ‘big’? He’s 5’10 ffs.
Needed an extra defender.
Of course to cover the liability that is maguire.
Southgate will always want an extra defender.
Bid £60m in January and he’s ours. Well worth it and would power us into the CL. Would also help in the cups and would mean only CB, RB and CM left to buy in the summer.
Just looked this up and there seems to be some conjecture about whether that's an old measurement from when he was a teenager, but he's listed as 5'10, yeah. He does seem rather taller than that though.
the perfect 9 for ten hag
I felt he missed quite a few good chances against City. Is he clinical?
I feel that Toney would be a very good fit in a Man Utd team but Brentford would need time to replace him & business would need to be done early in the window.
Foe me it's a disgrace that Southgate chose to pick his buddies instead of Toney but not a surprise !!
Foe me it's a disgrace that Southgate chose to pick his buddies instead of Toney but not a surprise !!
It’s because of the football gambling investigation hanging over him?
I think Toney is one of them that needs a few chances to bag a goal. In big games you need someone more clinical than that.
I'd have in that Defoe category, a good striker but maybe not good enough to lead the line for a top team.
That is my impression as well. Good striker but not top notch. But we cant be picky I guess
Should of gone to the World Cup. I rate him higher then Callum Wilson. He’d of give us a different option aswell
He would have been great with Beckham's crossing and a strike partner, or similar with Giggs and Valencia hitting them, but I'm less convinced about him as a lone striker in Ten Hag's system. I think he'll be a club option presented to Ten Hag though, and there are similarities with Haller - even the bad ones of sometimes lagging behind the play after he drops deep, he doesn't always get into the box quick enough after his nice play in the build up for me, which Haller was even worse at for West Ham, though their attacks lacked the composure and pausing quality to slow down and let others make late runs that Sancho and Antony should be good at.
I really don't think so ... There doesn't appear to be very much to that.
Southgate doesn't seem to like change very much & tends to stick with his boys.
I don't rate southgate at all but all managers do that from time to time it's just the way it is, Southgate can choose however he likes it's his prerogatives.
Not very clinical and not that good at getting into goalscoring positions, but he’s a great target man. I think he could work as a Saha-like signing. Scored 30+ goals in the Championship, took a while to settle in the PL, then got into double figures by January and pushed for a move when a big club came in. I can see Toney doing the same. Just this time the kinds of money involved seem a bit nuts.
I understand he can pick whoever he wants but I reserve the right to critique his selections.
Yeah Saha was 13 million I shudder to think what Toney would cost
I think Toney's quite a good #9 - a handful up front, and capable of contributing a decent amount of goals (even more at lower levels) without being a prolific finisher.
But I wouldn't say it was a disgrace or anything that he didn't make the world cup squad. There often seems to be a clamour for a player from a less fashionable club, who is having a good season or two in the PL, to get called up for England. I can remember it with Grant Holt, Rickie Lambert, Danny Ings, Patrick Bamford, etc.
Most of those players either don't keep up that scoring record at the top level, which is why top clubs don't sign them or the England manager call them up. Or have had short lived chances at top clubs and have quickly failed and returned to a club more their level.
Toney has more going for him than most of those, so it would be interesting to see how he performs if he gets a chance at a big move or with England. I can understand why he'd be in the conversation for the national squad, but I don't particularly think it's wrong, and certainly not a disgrace, that he missed out to the likes of Kane, Wilson and Rashford.
But I wouldn't say it was a disgrace or anything that he didn't make the world cup squad. There often seems to be a clamour for a player from a less fashionable club, who is having a good season or two in the PL, to get called up for England. I can remember it with Grant Holt, Rickie Lambert, Danny Ings, Patrick Bamford, etc.
Most of those players either don't keep up that scoring record at the top level, which is why top clubs don't sign them or the England manager call them up. Or have had short lived chances at top clubs and have quickly failed and returned to a club more their level.
Toney has more going for him than most of those, so it would be interesting to see how he performs if he gets a chance at a big move or with England. I can understand why he'd be in the conversation for the national squad, but I don't particularly think it's wrong, and certainly not a disgrace, that he missed out to the likes of Kane, Wilson and Rashford.
Fair enough especially if he shits the bed results wise.
Saha was a quality signing, if he'd have stayed injury free he'd have been one of the best in the league.Yeah Saha was 13 million I shudder to think what Toney would cost
I agree about Toney though, not very clinical but a good target man and can probably bring others into play. The only problem is, that's exactly what Martial has been doing when he's fit and he squandered plenty of chances vs Fulham.
I feel like we should pay more and get that clinical striker, if we had one vs Fulham we'd have had the game buried at HT and they wouldn't have got their tails up and had a go in the 2nd half, thats the difference a clinical striker makes. There's just not many around.
Yeah, he defo seems taller than that, I remember having this conversation when he dominated Arsenal in the air, I had no idea he was so good at that at the time.
He was in Peter’s office but we couldn’t agree terms.
Still think he’s hugely underrated. Feels lazy, but I’d take him to be like Yorke, Saha, in that he’s a great player for a (relatively) smaller team. I think he’d be a solid 15-20+ League Goal contributor for a decent side.
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I think Toney would be a good signing for United. Good at holding the ball up and winning headers and so would be useful if you need to go long. We haven't a striker that can do what he can do. He should have been in the England squad for this reason.
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It was just 232 times tbh
Hence why he hasnt been selected
The rule on betting is quite broad but 232 charges sound bloody serious, him getting a ban is very bad news for us so hoping for small misdemeanours. Also hope this is not a result of larger gambling problem for the lad as it would be a great shame for a talented young man who is on a very upward trajectory.