Really he just knows he's getting older and wants to get the chance to play at a big club while he's in his prime, which is fair.
Ivan Toney Pt.2
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Eh not so sure. He has 1 year left on his contract, and at his age and quality he's not somebody that a team would spend 80m+ on. Also when you consider who would actually go for him. 30-40m makes sense.
Games like yesterday where Hojlund struggled to impact, Toney would be great.
Yeah particularly if he could be got for £40-£50m however have my doubts he will go that cheap
Just been caught multiple times shitting on Brentford on social media to random people. In the lower leagues always had a bit of a reputation for being a bellend, same as Maddison. Fair enough they were both too talented for there, but not sure getting to the prem has ever got rid of that knobby side to their personalities.
Can't see it happening purely because who has two strikers of this kind of value. A £60 million striker on the bench with everything we need?
Brentford haven't looked much better after he came back. Seems to have a massive ego. Not the type of character I want at United to be honest.
Liverpool have Nunez, Diaz, Salah, Jota and Gakpo who bar Gakpo would all cost similar.
Arsenal with Jesus, Martinelli, Saka & Havertz.
City with Haaland & Alvarez at ST.
Every top club in the country.
Arsenal no
Liverpool no
City Debatably
Aston Villa no
Spurs no
Man Utd no
Newcastle no
Anyone know why he's been dropped the last two games?
Hip problem.
The past 10 years has embedded such a loser mentality in us. Standards have plummeted.
If you can name the clubs with two strikers above £50/60 million go for it.
But yeah I suppose it could be my loser mentality.
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He’s not hip anymore? People are such moralists.
Can see it happening purely because who goes into a season with only one centre forward in the squad, said forward being a developmental project who has already suffered 5 separate injuries since joining and is at risk of burning out before he ever comes good? A £60m striker in the squad with all the goals we need sounds pretty good to me.
And as @Cassidy has pointed out, the 3 teams actually in a title race do indeed all have two options each that would be valued at that mark or more.
I don't think we'll end up signing Toney specifically - he'll probably go to Arsenal to be one of three strikers. But I also don't think it will be because the club looks at our options (well, option) and figures we're good in the position.
There's no debate about us needing two striker options. Definitely. But we haven't spent big money on a No.9 one summer to spend big money on a number 9 again the following summer.
Nobody does this and a club that needs six new players definitely shouldn't.
City's backup striker cost £17 million or something didn't he?
Arsenal haven't got one. They play an AM up front instead of Jesus. But the two can and do play together.
Liverpool play a wide player in Jota up front instead of Nunez. Again, they can be on the pitch together.
Hojlund and Tony are pure No.9's. It's one or the other. No chance we bench a striker we've just paid that amount of money for.
I think this guy is going to go to a big club and tear it up. Perhaps not Yorke level, but some kind of leap from what he's shown at Brentford.
The stories about him never seem to be positive or redeeming (as above), but I really have a sense that his arrogance and dislikeable qualities are drivers for him to be better on the pitch - self-serving, but also understanding that the better he does for himself, the more money and plaudits that will come his way. So long as that can be harnessed and not turned on the club or teammates, it's a useful asset - some of the very best are insufferable narcissists, and whilst we're in the doldrums, using such a player whilst he believes he's using us is mutually beneficial, to me.
If these touted numbers for him are accurate, I suspect every top English club bar City will be throwing their hat in the ring for him this summer as a no-brainer.
I don't consider him to be a particularly special player. Added to that, I don't like him or his attitude. It's a firm no for me.
@Cassidy
The top 5 in the premier league are all top clubs. If you dont think so then I'd live to hear who the 2 top strikers at Barcelona, Real Madrid, Inter Milan or Bayern Munich.
Havertz and Callum Wilson is absurd.
The top 5 in the premier league are all top clubs. If you dont think so then I'd live to hear who the 2 top strikers at Barcelona, Real Madrid, Inter Milan or Bayern Munich.
Havertz and Callum Wilson is absurd.
If I had to pick an English striker, it would be Watkins, Solanke and Toney in that order. His dislikeable qualities are what put him bottom, because I don't think there's much in it talent wise.
I’d be happy to sign Toney but I’d much rather Watkins if we could prize him out of Villa.
Completely unrealistic. He'll be playing CL football with Villa next season.
Prefer Solanki over both of them he’s 2 years younger too!
Much rather sign Solanke who’s 2/3 years younger better touch and can play in a deeper role or as 10.
Yeah but £30m-£40m is very different to the double or triple you’re going to have to put down for Solanke and Watkins respectively.
Wow! That doesn’t seem right, he’s like JLingz I guess, he seems to have been around forever!
Watkins is not going to happen, 28 years old, Villa would want a huge fee and would he even want to give up playing in Champions League.
I can’t see us spending more than 33-40 on a striker if Toney could be bought for that or less it is quite tempting even with the baggage. At 28 with only year on his contract he should easy to get for around 30m. Maybe the club would still prefer Šeško or Zikzee but you’d have to consider Toney for a similar or smaller fee to those 2.
I can’t see us spending more than 33-40 on a striker if Toney could be bought for that or less it is quite tempting even with the baggage. At 28 with only year on his contract he should easy to get for around 30m. Maybe the club would still prefer Šeško or Zikzee but you’d have to consider Toney for a similar or smaller fee to those 2.
You think Bournemouth would value Solanke that highly?! I’d have thought he was cheapest of the 3.
Unless he’s in the final year of his current contract, £60m-£70m is what I think they’d ask for him. Bournemouth may even be setting themselves up for relegation upon his sale, so he’s worth a fortune to them.
Top 5 in PL are not all top clubs but thats your opinion to say they are. Clearly City Pool and Arsenal are levels above Newcastle, Spurs and Villa. I only mentioned the top clubs in the league so not sure why you would bring up clubs from other leagues.
Surely you do know though that both Inter and Bayern have 2 strikers who would cost north of 50m if you tried to sign them in Tel and Thuram who are their no2 strikers.
Havertz cost over 60m twice but is absurd and plays as the starting 9 at his last 2 clubs
He’s 26, I Toney is 28, Ole Watkins is 28, and he’s always had the elite potential, this is a kid who won the U20 WC with England and was voted player of the tournament, so there is that?Wow! That doesn’t seem right, he’s like JLingz I guess, he seems to have been around forever!
Plus he was original a 10 with Tammy Abraham’s being the 9 in the Chelsea youth team that won everything from 2014-15 so he was 17 then, he moved to Liverpool at 18 I thought, Solanke is rare breed he won the Euro under 17 with England and the U20 WC too.
He’s got everything and he’s could be fantastic at United, I think he’ll go to spurs and we’ll regret that one, this is one I’m hoping Ashworth gets involved with as he knows him well!
No one is signing Thuram for 60m despite being a decent player. Tel is a left winger.
Barcelona and Madrid?
The Haverts fee was roundly mocked and he has not proven to be worth that despite his standard purple patch. He has also played the majority of the season in midfield.
Look back, we had even 4 good strikers…
That's when we played with two strikers though. So each position had one backup.
And the backups cost peanuts.
If that's what Toney goes for, that will definitely put him higher on anyone's list. That's the cost analysis the recruitment team will have to do. I personally would prefer not to go for a risky character like him, even if cheaper.
Still, we had a proper squad
You seem mostly concerned with cost. I imagine others are more concerned with quality, hence the disagreement. If £60m is too much to spend on anybody, I'd be curious to know what your magic number is. £20m? £10m?
What are you talking about? Tel is a striker who gets minutes at LW and CF because he is young, and the club signed Kane in his position, he is compared to Benzema and Mbappe and wears the no 9 for france u21s
Barcelona have Lewandowski and Victor Roque
Madrid currently don't actually play with a no 9 since they are rebuilding their attack and are signing Mbappe and Endrick (however this is moot since Madrid is not in the country, neither is Barcelona, Inter Milan or whatever other European clubs you mentioned)
Whether you think the fee for Havertz was right or not, that was his fee, just like Hojlund's fee was mocked, as was Nunez fee and plenty of other players.
CF fees are high because there are not many around, you can't change the parameters just because it doesn't suit your agenda, its ok to admit when you got something wrong
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