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I don’t know the full story but I’m a little surprised that Sancho himself hasn’t offered to join the squad yet.

Played like 60 minutes of the Euros and I thought he’d be itching to get going. Hope this isn’t going to be a Memphis situation
 

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I don’t know the full story but I’m a little surprised that Sancho himself hasn’t offered to join the squad yet.

Played like 60 minutes of the Euros and I thought he’d be itching to get going. Hope this isn’t going to be a Memphis situation
Was going to write something similar.

It seems odd that he hasn't been integrated into the squad yet. It's almost as if the club is treating the first two league matches as warm up games. A joke.
 

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Strange that Shaw and Maguire are back in training and Sancho is nowhere to be seen.
 

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Was going to write something similar.

It seems odd that he hasn't been integrated into the squad yet. It's almost as if the club is treating the first two league matches as warm up games. A joke.
This isn't on the club, it's on Sancho. To put it into perspective, Shaw cut short his holiday by 2 weeks to make sure he gained fitness before the season started.
 

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This isn't on the club, it's on Sancho. To put it into perspective, Shaw cut short his holiday by 2 weeks to make sure he gained fitness before the season started.
It probably is, however Solskjaer and the club need to start putting their foot down here.

Unless he's recovering from an unknown injury, there's no excuse for him not to be showing up by now, especially when you consider that Maguire and Shaw are both back in training having both played more minutes than Sancho at the Euros.
 

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Drama queens coming in, calm down its fine ffs. He's due next week said the article. Let him have his time off. Footballers get almost none of it.
 

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Don't care how much holiday he takes as long as he starts like a house on fecking fire against Leeds.

I'd love to see it
 

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Not happy about this, the time it's taken to get Varane into the country and the complete no show of Cavani thus far

WTF are they playing at?
Probably recognizing that everyone was destroyed after the past year with how footballers were treated during the covid restart so the club wanted to make sure they get physically and mentally reset and ready to come back.

What is going on here haha.

Was Friday now next week.

Why do we not have most of our top players ready for the start of the season?
Probably Friday was a misunderstanding, given that Monday is the start of the weeks training and Friday pretty much the end, it'd be weird if he came to start on a Friday.
We don't have them because a lot of them player in the latter stages of the euros or Copa America after the most grueling and relentless football season of all time, so they let them have a bit of a breather to mentally reset.
 

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Raising a valid concern is now not admissible?
It's not a valid concern. How is being disappointed that a player didn't cut out a summer break a valid concern? Especially after the past covid season where footballers were pretty much abused.
 

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Feck, we're gonna be horrible to watch vs Leeds
Martial
Pogba Bruno Greenwood
Fred Matic/McTom
Shaw Maguire Lindelof Wan Bissaka
De Gea​

It's fine... shows our depth when Rashford, Cavani, Sancho, Varane can come in to that.
 

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Probably recognizing that everyone was destroyed after the past year with how footballers were treated during the covid restart so the club wanted to make sure they get physically and mentally reset and ready to come back.


Probably Friday was a misunderstanding, given that Monday is the start of the weeks training and Friday pretty much the end, it'd be weird if he came to start on a Friday.
We don't have them because a lot of them player in the latter stages of the euros or Copa America after the most grueling and relentless football season of all time, so they let them have a bit of a breather to mentally reset.
Can you stop taking sense please?

No room for that here...
 

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It's not a valid concern. How is being disappointed that a player didn't cut out a summer break a valid concern? Especially after the past covid season where footballers were pretty much abused.
There's no harm in trying to find a reason why someone who has played only 60 minutes during the euros is not back in training whereas Shaw(who was injured) and Maguire are.

Not too arsed about it but again, there's no harm in talking about it. Your argument(about longer vacation) is on point.
 

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Drama queens coming in, calm down its fine ffs. He's due next week said the article. Let him have his time off. Footballers get almost none of it.
As long as we don't drop silly points in the first few games we'll be fine. If we do because the likes of Dan James are starting then questions will be asked. The last thing we want is to be chasing City right from the begining of the season.
 

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Yeah I don't see the issue here. I'd rather he joins the lads in training when he's ready, ready not just physically but mentally.

Just have patience and hopefully all this will be forgotten about
 

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I'm a little arsed I'd admit, because I think Shaw/Maguire deserves more time off than Sancho. Maguire especially.

Anyway, like I said, if he comes back fit and makes the start of the season in good shape then it's all good.
 

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There's no harm in trying to find a reason why someone who has played only 60 minutes during the euros is not back in training whereas Shaw(who was injured) and Maguire are.

Not too arsed about it but again, there's no harm in talking about it. Your argument(about longer vacation) is on point.
Meh, they all have their preferences. If the club told him he was due back by this day then that's fine with me. The minutes played thing doesn't fly for me because he's still there at a lockdown camp and training every day and under the mental pressure. Speaking of mental pressure, maybe he needed a tiny bit extra time for his head space as he was one who missed a pen? Could be anything. Either way, he's still "at work" and not "on vacation". Everyone, no matter the job, loves their vacation days and needs them for their mental health too. Fair fecks to player like Shaw who cut theirs early the one time to get himself in the best shape possible after previous struggles, but also fair fecks to those who just stick to their normal vacation schedule and come when they are due.
 

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This isn't on the club, it's on Sancho. To put it into perspective, Shaw cut short his holiday by 2 weeks to make sure he gained fitness before the season started.
Cutting your holiday short is a great thing to do sometimes. De Gea being another example, as he prepares to try and wrest his place back from Henderson.

Other times taking a full break is exactly the right thing to do because you need it, either physically or mentally. There shouldn't be an expectation that players cut their holiday short, they get the time off they get for a reason.
 

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I don’t know the full story but I’m a little surprised that Sancho himself hasn’t offered to join the squad yet.

Played like 60 minutes of the Euros and I thought he’d be itching to get going. Hope this isn’t going to be a Memphis situation
Did similar happen with Memphis? I can't recall.
 

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Agree that under normal circumstances, him joining us sooner would have been preferred.

Hiwever, the mental side of the game is a huge thing, it could be he's been afforded some extra time off due to the penalty miss and the subsequent racial abuse he received. That miss must still be haunting him and the others. Let the lad rest up and let's judge how he performs when he's with us.
 

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Probably recognizing that everyone was destroyed after the past year with how footballers were treated during the covid restart so the club wanted to make sure they get physically and mentally reset and ready to come back.


Probably Friday was a misunderstanding, given that Monday is the start of the weeks training and Friday pretty much the end, it'd be weird if he came to start on a Friday.
We don't have them because a lot of them player in the latter stages of the euros or Copa America after the most grueling and relentless football season of all time, so they let them have a bit of a breather to mentally reset.
Is that true of Sancho though?

26 league games last season and one game over the summer. How much less should a guy play?

It's no major deal but it is a bit surprising he isn't back yet. To me he looks the body type that needs training.
 

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Sancho is a brilliant player but he had disciplinary issues in the past, he might need a tougher approach from Ole.
 

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So question from my side...

Im an abroad United fan and have been for as long I can remember, my dad passed it on to me... However not being from England/Manchester or the region itself, I dont really feel or comprehend the local rivalries (other than obviously knowing they are there..). So to what extent is it a problem for United fans he is a youth product from City? Is it a big deal? Are there United fans who dont want him because of this? Is he now a persona-non-grata forever for Man City?
he never actually played a professional game for them, only in youth set ups, so it isn’t the same as if he actually wore their shirt and kissed the badge.
 

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Fecking hell guys. He just moved country, probably needs to settle. The club have given him time off and he's using that time. The season is long.
 

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Sancho is a brilliant player but he had disciplinary issues in the past, he might need a tougher approach from Ole.
It's not a question of discipline, he has clearly been training and keeping himself fit while he has been on holiday anyway. Its more than likely the club have given him extra time off to mentally recuperate and set his affairs in order.
 

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Maybe Shaw and Maguire are fat lads who need to attend the early fitness sessions, while Sancho is benchmarking well so can train on his own while on holiday? Or they are needed for defensive coaching because they were focused on set pieces etc.
 

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The club gave him 3 weeks, he's taking 3 weeks.

If they wanted him earlier they'd give him less, simple. As long as he comes back fairly trim and doesn't have to work too hard to get fit then it'll be fine.

I can't imagine him doing a Hazard and turning up like Mr Blobby at his new club
 

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Don't care how much holiday he takes as long as he starts like a house on fecking fire against Leeds.

I'd love to see it
It's not happening, at best he makes the bench according to Ole.

Really think he could have made it to Scotland. It's not like he's cutting his holiday to drag himself into the office.

It's five days with your mates in what I'm guessing is very pleasant surroundings. Bit of football, some golf, some normal bread.

It's borderline what I'd call a lads holiday.
 

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It's not like he's cutting his holiday to drag himself into the office.
Not up to you what someone decides is a mental refresh holiday though. And it probably is fun. But it's still work, and what they'll be doing every day with no break until June.
 

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He should have been with the squad already.

A high profile, big money move, he really needs to hit the ground running just to keep everyone of his and Ole's back.
 

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He should have been with the squad already.

A high profile, big money move, he really needs to hit the ground running just to keep everyone of his and Ole's back.
His best chance of hitting the ground running is after he's well rested, mentally ready and settled in the area.
 

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Sell him, he clearly doesnt have the attitude a United player needs to have. Dan James is more deserving of pulling on the shirt. Should have got Grealish.
 

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It's not happening, at best he makes the bench according to Ole.

Really think he could have made it to Scotland. It's not like he's cutting his holiday to drag himself into the office.

It's five days with your mates in what I'm guessing is very pleasant surroundings. Bit of football, some golf, some normal bread.

It's borderline what I'd call a lads holiday.
Well if true then he has missed a bit of work needed to be fit at the start of the season... Not a great start but ok. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he needs a bit more time.

Not too much though, especially if Maguire and Shaw are starting game No.1.
 

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Not up to you what someone decides is a mental refresh holiday though. And it probably is fun. But it's still work, and what they'll be doing every day with no break until June.
Well yeah obviously its not up to me. Not sure that needed stating. Just an opinion.

But other guys who've played a lot more have come back a fair bit quicker.

It's frustrating our big money signing won't be ready for the first game when it feels that was avoidable
 

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Did similar happen with Memphis? I can't recall.
He's admitted himself in an interview recently (i'm sure a google search will find it) that he was too immature at United and acted like he'd already "made it" and didn't put the work in that he should have. Basically blamed himself for it going wrong.

I remember reading in UWS a few years ago that Giggs (then assistant) told the team at the end of a training session that training tomorrow would be going ahead as usual and all the coaches would be there to help, but it was now non-compulsory. A test of their determination. Every player showed up except Memphis.

I'm not saying any of this is true of Sancho and i'm not going to judge him on this or that. But reading about Shaw and Maguire returning early on their own accord to help the team (despite playing loads in the Euros) is the sort of personality I want from our players. It's a slight concern that Sancho barely played and still isn't going to return in time to be fit for the season opener. I can't imagine signing for United for £78m ish and then not making myself available for the first game.
 

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Meh, they all have their preferences. If the club told him he was due back by this day then that's fine with me. The minutes played thing doesn't fly for me because he's still there at a lockdown camp and training every day and under the mental pressure. Speaking of mental pressure, maybe he needed a tiny bit extra time for his head space as he was one who missed a pen? Could be anything. Either way, he's still "at work" and not "on vacation". Everyone, no matter the job, loves their vacation days and needs them for their mental health too. Fair fecks to player like Shaw who cut theirs early the one time to get himself in the best shape possible after previous struggles, but also fair fecks to those who just stick to their normal vacation schedule and come when they are due.
Spot on.

And another thing, he is actually relocating from Germany to England, yes he is English and yes he is probably familiar with the city and probably his management team has already managed to get his accommodations sorted already, but he would still need time to settle down, he knows Rashford, Shaw, Lingard, Henderson & Maguire from his time with the England setup, so its not line he is coming into a new squad where he knows no one, so I expect his integration with the team will be smooth.
 
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