Do you think white people can be discriminated again? Or do you think because they are the "Lucky ones", the "Privileged", that they cannot be?
James McClean: 'Does being abused for being Irish and anti Irish abuse acceptable?'
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Well, have you ever seen one?No such thing as dinosaurs, either.
Yep, to be fair, I know a lot of people like yourself. A lot of people I work with, you have no voice anymore. It's sad. Then again, voting for anyone else would be seen as treason!
I'm not expert, but I think that went a little wrong...
feck off is that the "custom or tradition" in England to force people to wear a poppy who don't want to. I'm English and haven't worn a red poppy in years because I dislike the oppressive nationalism that has become attached. It's meant to mean "never again", not "the English are better than you".
Yes. Have a look at the DUP candidates.Well, have you ever seen one?
Damned near made my head explode. I tried up upload an image of Moyes.
I will give you a
for your efforts.No wonder it went all HAL on you, mate.
How is he not?
I think a lot of people conflate oppression, with discrimination. White people are definately not oppressed.
I'm saying "white people" like eastern Europeans can certainly be discriminated against. Even within eastern Europe so many ethnicities discriminate the other.
Here in the states too, people make a lot of fun of white trash who live in trailers.
Pretty much I voted green for a while but its just a waste of time.
I like how a thread about James McLean complaining about discrimination is now an excuse for others to do the same to another group of people.
I dunno they seem to be doing well these days.
Are you for fecking real. Would you say the same if Pogba/Lukaku etc where getting called niggers?
He's absolutely correct. The casual xenophobia in Britain towards Irish people is pretty staggering given the uneasy history between the two.
That we have almost all learned to move on and live largely in peace is a testament to both places. That we have a shared sense of humor that sometimes pushes the limits is a positive thing. But even with all of this said, as an Irish person who lived in the UK for over a decade, the ignorance and xenophobia I saw at times was incredible. There are parts of Ireland where an anti English rhetoric still manifests though thankfully not many. But some self awareness from many of our neighbors would be good.
That we have almost all learned to move on and live largely in peace is a testament to both places. That we have a shared sense of humor that sometimes pushes the limits is a positive thing. But even with all of this said, as an Irish person who lived in the UK for over a decade, the ignorance and xenophobia I saw at times was incredible. There are parts of Ireland where an anti English rhetoric still manifests though thankfully not many. But some self awareness from many of our neighbors would be good.
Just leave it, he's actively proving the point.
It will spare us many posts if you just let him keep going
Getting more votes for sure, but since NI doesnt even have a working exectutive what really can they acheve apart from thier own constituenct work.
What the hell..
No reasonable person should.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....n-hits-out-at-declan-rice-over-england-switch
It's because the poppy commemorates all conflicts where the British Army lost people. Not just World War 1, though obviously its Flanders and so on where the poppy is taken from. So to wear one in Ireland is to support what was once an occupying force in the Republic and is indeed still one in Northern Ireland. McClean is obviously a nationalist, identifies as Irish and not British, as the law allows him to do. He feels that to wear the poppy is less to do with WW1 and more to do with supporting those who killed people in his hometown in the not so distant past such as Bloody Sunday. The poppy is a very controversial symbol within Ireland and, while it is sold on Remembrance Day, it does not sell overly well. We actually do have a version of the poppy here that commemorates Irish Soldiers who fought on the Allied side and died in doing so.
So to sum up we would be thrilled, no doubt, to wear the poppy were it exclusive towards those who served in the World Wars. But, as its all inclusive of where the British Army died (and killed) it does raise too many issues here.
It's an inherently dormant gene, in British patriots.
So you've never seen the show then.
Also, you don't need a tv show to do all those things, society does it to black and other ethnic minorities anyway.
So much irony creeping through that post.
Yep, the fact "white trash" is even used in an acceptable fashion says it all.
Noone would dare use a black equivalent phrase
Anti Irish "racism" ? Irish is a race now ?
Yes. Just like religion is a race. See anti-semitism.
Yup, small, wear green clothes and hats, have ginger hair and talk funny.
Bigotry. Xenophobia is fear of foreigners coming to live where you live.
Even leaving aside the actual symbolism of the poppy (which isn't apolitical in the eyes of many), it shouldn't be that hard to understand why some people from Ireland would take issue with financially aiding former British soldiers, which the poppy appeal does.
I mean even now in 2019 we have an ongoing inquest into the Ballymurphy massacre, where a ex-corporal is describing fellow soldiers as psychopaths who revelled in killing innocent people while knowing that they would be protected by their organisation. Expecting Irish people to have zero issue with giving money to a charity that exclusively helps former members of that organisation would be ludicrous, let alone Irishmen like McClean who come from an area with a heavy history.
Thanks for the excellent explanation mate.
For the purposes of UK law, a racist hate crime covers:
A racial group means a group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality or ethnic or national origin. This includes:
- Gypsies and Travellers
- refugees and asylum seekers
- Jews and Sikhs
OK, I'm obviously thick as pigshit then.
All discrimination is wrong. Regardless of ethnicity.
Which is precisely my argument.
Ha, sorry, that sounded more pointed than I intended it to.
I've seen the movie, not the show. I didn't like it much but the movie is very different from the description of @Majima - in fact it is close to the opposite. Same for the show?
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