The PLP really scraping the gutter now. I really hope people don't fall for this.Imagine Boris voted remain and Corbyn voted leave.Tweet
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The PLP really scraping the gutter now. I really hope people don't fall for this.Imagine Boris voted remain and Corbyn voted leave.Tweet
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There was an article in the telegraph a few weeks ago saying how this has all been planned. It claimed a 24 hour blitz of resignations would happen.I can't help but wonder if this coup from within has anything to with the Chillcot Inquiry? Corbyn vows to press for Blair to be charged as a war criminal and all of a sudden cabinet members are calling for votes of no confidence...
Got more to do with them worried that a General Election could be called early.I can't help but wonder if this coup from within has anything to with the Chillcot Inquiry? Corbyn vows to press for Blair to be charged as a war criminal and all of a sudden cabinet members are calling for votes of no confidence...
Escape to DefeatThe move to turn Labour back into Tory Party 2.0 is on...
Yep heard that to. Apparently Corbyn will apologise on behalf of the Labour Party for the Iraq war(Apparently he would have done it soon but the PLP conviced him to wait until Chillcot Inquriy is out)and call for Blair to face charges.I think I'm right in saying a certain Tom Watson has constantly voted against an investigation into the Iraq war as well. A lot of people aren't going to look pretty when it comes out.I can't help but wonder if this coup from within has anything to with the Chillcot Inquiry? Corbyn vows to press for Blair to be charged as a war criminal and all of a sudden cabinet members are calling for votes of no confidence...
Exactly .The move to turn Labour back into Tory Party 2.0 is on...
I don't really think he has to manoeuvre himself.Looks like Mr Watson is manoeuvring himself as leader.
Peter Hitches talking sense(Around 4:40, although the whole video worth a watch)It's quite funny isn't it? And sums up the Labour party at the minute that the big bombshell that is apparently the charge that is going to get rid of Corbyn is that he voted to leave in the EU ref.
Now, of course, the role of a Labour politician should be to look out for the working class and, for that reason, should have campaigned to stay in. Yet, the working class backed leaving the European Union in record droves precisely because they felt un-represented by the Westminster elite. The response to then remove a leader, precisely because he, apparently, shared a view with those very people, just sums up why people wanted to leave in the first place.
Not that I buy the idea that Corbyn actually did, but, either way, the fact the charge has been levelled against him just goes to show you Labour's problems.
They voted primarily based on immigration. Then look at these:It's quite funny isn't it? And sums up the Labour party at the minute that the big bombshell that is apparently the charge that is going to get rid of Corbyn is that he voted to leave in the EU ref.
Now, of course, the role of a Labour politician should be to look out for the working class and, for that reason, should have campaigned to stay in. Yet, the working class backed leaving the European Union in record droves precisely because they felt un-represented by the Westminster elite. The response to then remove a leader, precisely because he, apparently, shared a view with those very people, just sums up why people wanted to leave in the first place.
Not that I buy the idea that Corbyn actually did, but, either way, the fact the charge has been levelled against him just goes to show you Labour's problems.
The climate is all wrong for a leader like Jeremy. Even his proposed apology for the Iraq war will be viewed by many as weakness; Britain likes its 'strong' leaders...even if they're talentless meatheads.I don't agree with people that are saying this is a Blairite takeover. The Labour Party is not working and something has to change.
People saying that don't know what they're talking about, ignore.I don't agree with people that are saying this is a Blairite takeover. The Labour Party is not working and something has to change.
He can't really be forced out. His personality **** is strong enough that he'd win a new leadership battle. He seems like he'll be quite happy to see Labour crushed in a snap GE, as long as his idealogical purity is preserved.Is there any chance he can survive this?
Many of us will be able to vote Labour again without feeling the need to bathe in bleach afterwards, especially if he calls for Blair to face charges.The climate is all wrong for a leader like Jeremy. Even his proposed apology for the Iraq war will be viewed by many as weakness; Britain likes its 'strong' leaders...even if they're talentless meatheads.
Is it? Or was it until Friday morning?He can't really be forced out. His personality **** is strong enough that he'd win a new leadership battle. He seems like he'll be quite happy to see Labour crushed in a snap GE, as long as his idealogical purity is preserved.
I would expect so. It seems like the £3 brigade are still out in force. It might not be as much of a landslide as last time, but he'd still win.Is it? Or was it until Friday morning?
I doubt I'm the only one on the left who agrees with most of his politics but is dismayed by his campaign. Whether there are enough like me that he would lose, I really don't know though.
I think he needs to have been shown to be defeated (including by getting him to resign), otherwise the next leader will be dogged by claims of illegitimacy.Corbyn shouldn't even be on the new leadership ballot. There's a reason you need a minimum number of MPs to nominate you... because you can't be leader unless you can form a shadow cabinet.
Corbyn is done. It's ludicrous he won't just resign and be done with it so labour can move forward.
I'd believe the "he isn't electable" line a lot more if the plotters hadn't been actively working to ensure it comes true. They are the unelectable ones to me now, they've been intentionally working against their membership and their voters in order to secure a Corbyn resignation.Whether or not this is a pre-planned coup, do people really think Corbyn is electable? Part of the reason this whole cluster feck has happened is because Labour has stopped being an effective opposition party. Ed was hardly Blairite central - his main power came from the Unions same as Corbyn.
Labour has a real opportunity here to win central votes from the Conservatives but Corbyn is so utterly unelectable that even die hard Labour voters I know are praying he leaves so they can a) possibly win a GE and b) not have to vote something else.
I don't admire the way this thing is happening but if you think Corbyn should stay then presumably you're happy to see Conservative governments for the foreseeable future as there is no evidence whatsoever that his message is working with anyone.
And like it or not part of the leadership is to work/control your MPs, Blair did this well until he didn't and went. Cameron made a series of blunders because of pressure from his MPs and has now gone.
If you have no authority over your party in that way history says you have no chance.
The elements that are lining up to replace him are Tories in all but name. What's the point in having a Labour Party that only represents the middle class?Whether or not this is a pre-planned coup, do people really think Corbyn is electable? Part of the reason this whole cluster feck has happened is because Labour has stopped being an effective opposition party. Ed was hardly Blairite central - his main power came from the Unions same as Corbyn.
Labour has a real opportunity here to win central votes from the Conservatives but Corbyn is so utterly unelectable that even die hard Labour voters I know are praying he leaves so they can a) possibly win a GE and b) not have to vote something else.
I don't admire the way this thing is happening but if you think Corbyn should stay then presumably you're happy to see Conservative governments for the foreseeable future as there is no evidence whatsoever that his message is working with anyone.
And like it or not part of the leadership is to work/control your MPs, Blair did this well until he didn't and went. Cameron made a series of blunders because of pressure from his MPs and has now gone.
If you have no authority over your party in that way history says you have no chance.
There's as much evidence that Labour is electable under him than there is in any other path right now.Whether or not this is a pre-planned coup, do people really think Corbyn is electable? Part of the reason this whole cluster feck has happened is because Labour has stopped being an effective opposition party. Ed was hardly Blairite central - his main power came from the Unions same as Corbyn.
Labour has a real opportunity here to win central votes from the Conservatives but Corbyn is so utterly unelectable that even die hard Labour voters I know are praying he leaves so they can a) possibly win a GE and b) not have to vote something else.
I don't admire the way this thing is happening but if you think Corbyn should stay then presumably you're happy to see Conservative governments for the foreseeable future as there is no evidence whatsoever that his message is working with anyone.
And like it or not part of the leadership is to work/control your MPs, Blair did this well until he didn't and went. Cameron made a series of blunders because of pressure from his MPs and has now gone.
If you have no authority over your party in that way history says you have no chance.
You're awarding him strategic nous that he has shown no signs of possessing.I don't know why he's being stubborn. Even if Labour were smashed to pieces at the next election, this guy would not resign. What is his endgame?