I don't want to speak for them, and they may well have changed their minds in which case I apologise and hope they correct me, but Thierry, DOTA and Untied have all mentioned it in the past few days.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
There is a fundamental contradiction at the heart of Labour.
It has a constituency in the biggest cities who seem to be be remain (and presumably more liberal) voters. It has a constituency in the north who seem to be leave (and socially conservative) voters. This faultline has been pushed at well in 2010 and 2015, and it has become clear that no matter the economic inclinations of the Labour leadership - from centre-right to left, they are unanimously socially liberal and pro-EU, with the only disparity being how much they are willing to pander to fears of immigration (without actually doing anything about them).
The referendum has exposed the divide completely. If it leads to snap elections, no matter the candidate, the party will have a pro-EU message.* And so close to the referendum, its traditional non-metro voters will notice it and will vote accordingly. Labour will have a historical and potentially fatal defeat. So it would actually be in the centrists' interests to keep Corbyn in, killing off leftist Labour forever.
Labour's best hope right now is the Lib-Lab-Green-SNP alliance, but looking at 2015 votes and referendum results, they would probably still lose to a UKIP-Con coalition (the only uncertainty being due to how much short-term damage Brexit has done).
*Abandoning this position so soon after the referendum will cost them London.
Edit: forgot to add that Labour's biggest recent hero could well be a little more toxic in a week. Great shape in which to be heading into a general election.
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Who? Not Benn. Jarvis doesn't want it, and Chukka's too green (and pussied out last time)..
I understand the idea, but it's a gamble that could very well cost Labour even more voters (and at worst, future loyalties) for the sake of placating its politicians. And what's the point of an ideologically saitisfied party with no voters?
I remember Corbyn supporters moaning about the media coverage soon after his election (and ever since), and opponents saying he must do better.
It's worth looking at a few things:
Cameron is pretty decent with the press, and had the support of most major newspapers, as opposed to none for Corbyn. Yet he completely failed to get his point across in the referendum. The talking points of the side supported by the mass-market tabloids became accepted truth.
It is also worth looking at this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...t-nearly-everything-survey-shows-8697821.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-nearly-everything-survey-shows-a7074311.html
Which, to me, shows that once the popular media has decided to spread a narrative, it will stick regardless of facts. Hence Ed Miliband eating a sandwich became the face of the elections.
In this situation, and with no immediate prospect of the Sun supporting a liberal Labour leader, the job for communication becomes much harder and must be done outside the press. Don't ask me how though.
It's worth looking at a few things:
Cameron is pretty decent with the press, and had the support of most major newspapers, as opposed to none for Corbyn. Yet he completely failed to get his point across in the referendum. The talking points of the side supported by the mass-market tabloids became accepted truth.
It is also worth looking at this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...t-nearly-everything-survey-shows-8697821.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-nearly-everything-survey-shows-a7074311.html
Which, to me, shows that once the popular media has decided to spread a narrative, it will stick regardless of facts. Hence Ed Miliband eating a sandwich became the face of the elections.
In this situation, and with no immediate prospect of the Sun supporting a liberal Labour leader, the job for communication becomes much harder and must be done outside the press. Don't ask me how though.
Jarvis is definitely open now. Though I'm still unsure on how good he is, beyond the image. Umunna does seem to have an impact with voters. Though he's very unpopular with Corbyn's. Lisa Nandy is a compromise option. Ditto Owen Smith. No-one's ideal, but I can see arguments for all of them. The latter two are probably long shots, given David Miliband somehow has better odds than them.
Your final sentence is essentially where I see the party going if he remains in charge, unfortunately.
Tbf, I personally think Umunna is inevitable at some point, but they need to time his ascension right. Right now, I think it's a waste, and too close to his sudden, mysterious drop out last time. Jarvis seems to be being pushed into it more than anything else, due to his right wing media-proof backstory.
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What kind of campaign do you think Labour should run?
I was doing some more thinking and did find one plausible angle.
A (genuinely, unapologetically) Blairite leader. Curbs on immigration, business-friendly, and hawkish on foreign policy, arguing for ties with Europe on the basis of jobs. (Nissan). Use the Labour name (and an alliance with LD) to keep London voters in line.
If Chilcot is bad, paint Blair as a martyr - good old days under PM Blair (compared to Cameron and Corbyn), he was a strong leader, strong on national security ad ISIS would never have risen under him.
The Sun needs a scapegoat if things go badly so soon after Brexit, and the Conservative leader might be poisoned enough for them to support Blair v. 2.
Its all a mess
They could beg David Miliband to come back and be their leader.
Wow come on Mockney let's be real here, Corbyn was the head of Labour Yes Campaign, he has to fall on his sword. Just look at him here, the lefty prick
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...to-head-labour-yes-campaign-for-eu-referendum
Oh wait .
Could he stand for Jo cox's constituency
I'm not sure he'd be so stupid to stake his claim right now or that he'd be popular enough. Chukka wouldn't go down well either, they're both exactly the kind of polished proffesional politician that people don't trust.
Honestly the only one who I can see an argument for is Jarvis but it's only based on the fact he can be sold to the idiots, I mean he was in the army he has to be strong right? He can just throw back any challenge by saying he fought for this country, they'd lap that right up.
BBC reporting another three resigned
The candidate for that seat will be very carefully selected, for many reasons. They won't want to parachute someone in who isn't local to the area, just because there's not going to be any legitimate competition in the by-election.
While I'm not arguing for either of those two, 'polished professional politicians' are exactly the type that win elections.
People who look like old bumbling communists don't.
Those having a go at Corbyn for the referendum would be better to have a bit of self reflection. Many of them couldn't get their own constituencies to vote remain, Hodge included.. The "we know what's best for these idiots" sneering didn't work on the Brexit campaign, it won't work here.
New appointments to Jeremy Corbyn's front bench following the wave of resignations over the last 24 hours:
Shadow foreign secretary - Emily Thornberry
Shadow health secretary - Diane Abbott
Shadow education secretary - Pat Glass
Shadow transport secretary - Andy McDonald
Shadow defence secretary – Clive Lewis
Shadow chief secretary to the Treasury – Rebecca Long-Bailey
Shadow international development secretary – Kate Osamor
Shadow environment, food and rural affairs aecretary – Rachel Maskell
Shadow voter engagement and youth affairs – Cat Smith
Shadow Northern Ireland secretary – Dave Anderson
Shadow foreign secretary - Emily Thornberry
Shadow health secretary - Diane Abbott
Shadow education secretary - Pat Glass
Shadow transport secretary - Andy McDonald
Shadow defence secretary – Clive Lewis
Shadow chief secretary to the Treasury – Rebecca Long-Bailey
Shadow international development secretary – Kate Osamor
Shadow environment, food and rural affairs aecretary – Rachel Maskell
Shadow voter engagement and youth affairs – Cat Smith
Shadow Northern Ireland secretary – Dave Anderson
And look at the number of the 2015 intake which are now Shadow Ministers.
I'm very new to understanding politics, but can someone please explain what the shadow cabinet does? Should Corbyn's position be hanging on a thread after all these resignations? Hopefully so. If he goes soon who can replace him that would be a good candidate versus the Torys?
They are basically counterparts to the members of the cabinet in government. Each cabinet member has an opposition member in the shadow cabinet who's main role is to go up against them
Corbyn's position is indeed under threat. How much is up for debate. The parliamentary party doesn't want him but the party members do
I personally would like to see this man lead the Labour Party..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Jarvis
probably easiest to point you here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Cabinet
Predominantly they speak with one voice on the Opposition's alternative plans for Government.
To the other questions - Corbyn is historically unpopular in the Parliamentary Party, but still popular amongst the members. If he is forced into a leadership contest, the members who vote will likely pick him again.
re: good candidates, probably the person the Tories are concerned about the most is Dan Jarvis.
Thanks guys - very useful.. will read those pages.
Interesting time to get into politics, on a side note @Barca84 I have to concede how much I love your info under the user alias. I chucked back when I was a guest on redcafe at the Barcelona taglines
assuming a mod was behind it!Yes...at this stage even I am starting to think I am, and always have been, a Barca fanon a side note @Barca84 I have to concede how much I love your info under the user alias. I chucked back when I was a guest on redcafe at the Barcelona taglines
Whatever their counterpart in government says, their job is to say the opposite.
He was a Commander in the Special Forces. A different order of magnitude to simply being in the army. His prior resume is political gold.
Keep hearing about Dan Jarvis.Apart from fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq .What else does he offer. It never seemed to persuade his town from voting leave.
As much as i'd ridicule this shallow and petulant approach from the Labour PLP from the people I've spoken to I do agree that putting in a military guy would probably be the only route to resolve the soft lefty viewpoint some have of the Labour party. Pacifism does not play well at all and it holds the agenda for change back somewhat.
I find this X-Factor level politics uninspiring personally. If he can come out convincingly prior to any election then I won't be against supporting them man but so far he's being pushed by people more bothered by his backstory than anything else. It's also relying on the assumption that his backstory will make him immune to certain attacks from, which isn't guaranteed by any measure. I'm not saying that there's nothing else to him but I haven't seen it personally and I just see people talking about his backstory.
Tom Watson as asked Corbyn to resign. According to John Pienaar.
Plus a windowed single dad... I mean you just look evil if you try and attack him
I am pretty sure it was parachute regiment not special forces... But still political gold
Mum was a teacher... Dad was a probation officer
Even the mail gush at him staring down a mugger
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Forces-stares-mugger-threatened-kill-him.html
Labour need a leader who the media will let get his message over... If he wants the job I'd say he would be a great candidate (if not as a minimum put him as shadow defence)
Oh dear
Not SAS but still Special Forces, albeit briefly.
Jarvis served in Iraq during Operation Telic and in Afghanistan during Operation Herrick.[12] He was deployed to Afghanistan twice, first as a member of the team making the first reconnaissance trips to Helmand Province in 2005 to 2006 in preparation for a decision on whether to commit British troops there. The second deployment was a six-month tour as a company commander with the Special Forces Support Group, leading a company of 100 troops.[4] He was also deployed to Northern Ireland.[13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Forces_Support_Group
The shadow cabinet even looks like it has less credibility than the last one.
The current situation is unsustainable.
The current situation is unsustainable.
fair enough
In the Red Corner an ex parra, ex special forces - served in multiple conflicts, widdowed single dad to 2 kids, son of a teacher and probation officer who stares down muggers in the street... (take that Murdoch / Mail).... Dan "The Man" Jarvis
In the Blue Corner a chap famous for assaulting kids on the Rugby pitch, a lovable buffoon born in the USA, Educated at the European School in Brussels and descended from Russian Royalty and best known for looking clueless on Have I Got News For You... its Boris De Pfeffel Johnson
The word going round in Labour circles is that Corbyn actually voted Leave. He's been refusing to tell MPs which way he voted. feck me.
About as reliable as 'my mate in the pub says' these days. They'll say anything to try and get rid of him.
Pretty sure in his shoes my response to MP's asking which way I voted would be to tell them to feck off.
I hope he goes because I feel badly let down over his 'campaigning' but I still detest the way the PLP has treated him in his time in the job.
Joined the Greens, last night. Finding it hard to imagine a situation in which I'd ever vote Labour again.
The plotters are doing a great job at stitching him up. I didn't see anything convincing in the "evidence" that had been sent to BBC & HuffPo. The stories look like they'd be written up for the journalists in question, with enough rumours that fit the narrative to make a convincing case. Maybe I didn't look close enough.
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What a shambles our supposed top politicians are...on all sides.