Chorley1974
Lady Ole
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The Labour party is set to split, there is an unelectable leader supported by a large grass roots following, and a bunch of centre left MP's hungry for power, something has to give.
I think this week will be the beginning of the end...The Labour party is set to split, there is an unelectable leader supported by a large grass roots following, and a bunch of centre left MP's hungry for power, something has to give.
And for those that bang on about oxbridgeAlso correct. And his strategy and comms guy went to a private school (and is a "former" stalinist, for full disclosure). And the spokesman for Momentum is a trust-fund bellend who likes to play at being a revolutionary. Who also campaigned for the Greens last year. So yeah, fair to say I'm skeptical of the argument that it's public school Blairites vs the rest of us.
I believe the modern meaning is "doesn't support Jeremy Corbyn".What exactly is a Blairite anyway?
It's another name for Tory lites.What exactly is a Blairite anyway?
Some say conservatives within the party, I believe.What exactly is a Blairite anyway?
Somebody within the Labour party who refers to other members as colleagues rather than comrades.What exactly is a Blairite anyway?
Some who believes in Blairism.What exactly is a Blairite anyway?
Great - All they need now is some voters to ignore.I think this week will be the beginning of the end...
150+mps will want to address the future of Labour (leader), Brexit etc and Corbyn will be focused on Chilcot... Perhaps Cameron will try and push a Trident debate forwards just to further highlight what a shambolic mess labour are at the moment.
In fairness with a lot of companies pro eu and a number of conservative donors who were pro eu it's good timing to set up a non union funded centre left party
Some are mere warmongers.Technically I think you also have to be a war criminal, and a neoliberal. Maybe it's subliminal.
That would just have meant the shadow chancellor also quitting.If Corbyn had strength as a leader he probably could have avoided this whole crisis by sacking John McDonnell and replacing him with a more centrist MP as shadow chancellor.
Or better yet, not having appointed McDonnell in the first place. That was always a terrible idea.
What the hell is a strong Leader if Corbyn isn't one? I know it's fun to say because the PLP said it so it must be true but what do you even mean?If Corbyn had strength as a leader he probably could have avoided this whole crisis by sacking John McDonnell and replacing him with a more centrist MP as shadow chancellor.
Or better yet, not having appointed McDonnell in the first place. That was always a terrible idea.
You've described two things that make Corbyn stubborn and/or consistent. They have nothing to do with leadership.What the hell is a strong Leader if Corbyn isn't one? I know it's fun to say because the PLP said it so it must be true but what do you even mean?
Someone who stands by their convictions rather than flip flopping? Corbyn
Someone who isn't easily shouted down or defeated? Corbyn
Someone who likes to pretend to cry at tough decisions? Ah yes the strong leader Angela Eagle
The other favourite is claiming we need someone who can unify the party, in other words we don't like the leader and we'll act like children until he's replaced (but it's not our fault).
Name a Labour alternative you'd consider a good leader.You've described two things that make Corbyn stubborn and/or consistent. They have nothing to do with leadership.
Dan Jarvis... leading special forces units and all thatName a Labour alternative you'd consider a good leader.
And for heaven's sake man, don't say David Milliband.
I keep hearing this but I'm not seeing the parallels. The Labour Party isn't the military.Dan Jarvis... leading special forces units and all that
Dunno - there is a fairly open Civil War in the Labour partyI keep hearing this but I'm not seeing the parallels. The Labour Party isn't the military.
That's all good and dandy but I doubt Labour's core supporters or activists are going to care that their leader has a few war medals. The only ones I see giving a damn are the Daily Mail and the Little Englanders.Dunno - there is a fairly open Civil War in the Labour party
I would say though that through my professional career I have met with and worked with some fairly senior ex military folks and the leadership and management training they get (getting the best out of people and making them work as a team) is fantastic and translates well into non military environments
Guess it depends if you want to get into power and do stuff or sit on the sidelines acting superiorThat's all good and dandy but I doubt Labour's core supporters or activists are going to care that their leader has a few war medals. The only ones I see giving a damn are the Daily Mail and the Little Englanders.
Does he even want the job? Last I heard he had no intention running, unless that was a Michael Gove 'no intention of running'.
Well it's easy to throw around different descriptors. I'd consider an unshakeable conviction to their vision as quite important in leadership.You've described two things that make Corbyn stubborn and/or consistent. They have nothing to do with leadership.
To be fair, Chuka Umunna is fantastic. He could get the leadership without too much hassle IMO and be the best option - but he doesn't want it, which is a crying shame.Name a Labour alternative you'd consider a good leader.
And for heaven's sake man, don't say David Milliband.
We accuse Corbyn of weak leadership, yet you're suggesting Chukka Umunna, the initial frontrunner who pulled out of the last labour election because the pressure got to him. Yeah no thanks.To be fair, Chuka Umunna is fantastic. He could get the leadership without too much hassle IMO and be the best option - but he doesn't want it, which is a crying shame.
I mean, there's no actual evidence that it was him who edited it, is there? It was just from a firm he used to work for. He's said or done nothing wrong relating to that incident since.Chuka Ummuna. The man who dislikes comparisons with Barrack Obama but changed his own Wikipedia page to compare himself to Barrack Obama. Conceited.
Some people just aren't in politics for all the 'glory'. Look at the shit that gets thrown up on any major player in politics today, their whole lives are splattered over the tabloids - it's comparable to being a leading PL footballer at times. I completely understand why he wouldn't want to become a Labour leader to protect his private life - it doesn't mean that I'm wrong to think he'd still be an outstanding leader if he wanted to be one.We accuse Corbyn of weak leadership, yet you're suggesting Chukka Umunna, the initial frontrunner who pulled out of the last labour election because the pressure got to him. Yeah no thanks.
Perhaps he can stick to editing his own Wikipedia article.
If it's just the word "strong" that's at issue, perhaps we can just agree that he's a "bad" leader?Well it's easy to throw around different descriptors. I'd consider an unshakeable conviction to their vision as quite important in leadership.
My point really was that 'strong' is a meaningless but carefully selected word they've chosen (along with nice)and others are parroting. The inference being that he's not just a bad leader but also weak, I don't think that's true at all.
It just shows they can't present the real reasoning behind their actions.
Come on. It was him. The Independent ran the best article about it.I mean, there's no actual evidence that it was him who edited it, is there? It was just from a firm he used to work for. He's said or done nothing wrong relating to that incident since.
Some people just aren't in politics for all the 'glory'. Look at the shit that gets thrown up on any major player in politics today, their whole lives are splattered over the tabloids - it's comparable to being a leading PL footballer at times. I completely understand why he wouldn't want to become a Labour leader to protect his private life - it doesn't mean that I'm wrong to think he'd still be an outstanding leader if he wanted to be one.
I've read it. It doesn't anywhere say it was him.Come on. It was him. The Independent ran the best article about it.
BlairWonder if Kinnock would take the job again.
Mandelson's eligible.Blair
I have to say that when I watched this it reminded me of a hostage video. Robotic delivery, muted emotion and dodgy camera work.
Name a Labour alternative you'd consider a good leader.
And for heaven's sake man, don't say David Milliband.