That's probably more down to Milo's polemics having become tedious and boring. He still has a YouTune channel that is pushing 1m subscribers so the platform is still there.
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It looks like most of those subscribers came a while ago, his overall stats are way down to almost nothing, and also looks like his subs are going down now
Agreed. He's become irrelevant.It looks like most of those subscribers came a while ago, his overall stats are way down to almost nothing
I'm baffled to see what at least three of those are doing there.
I'm not going through the entire list either, but a breakdown of his left vs right guests between November 2016 and March 2019 is given in this thread:
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The ratio of his left/right commentators in that time: 1/9.
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A lot of holes can be poked into this guy's extravagant hypothesis.
- Of all of Rogan's episodes, only a small percentage are what most would consider of the left or right political variety. The majority are actually a broad range of topics, which he seems to conveniently omit.
- He lists Alex Jones, Shapiro, and Peterson as the most popular episodes but can't back up who is watching the episodes (whether supporters, detractors, of the three, or simply the curious).
- This guy apparently thinks Sam Harris is right wing
- He lists lefties with multiple appearances, but seems to omit Ana Kasparian
Not particularly convincing.
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he has tonnes of comedians on his show who are mostly left leaning, and why isn't Bernie on his list for left wing? or Andrew Yang?
but it doesn't even matter, does it? If Rogan wants to have right wing people on his show and indeed if he wants to have right wing views, that is entirely his choice
The problem with the left and right wing argument is how completely depended it is on how left and right are defined. Andrew Yang for example is right wing in most other countries other(Yang doesn't support universal healthcare)and yes Bernie is on the left but he's a socialist who doesn't talking about nationalising key american industries.
Gore Vidal summed it up nicely - ''There is no left in America, there is only conservatives and reactionaries''
His podcast is one(If not the most)listened to show on the internet, which now politicians running for the highest office want to appear on, it matters to a certain degree, Although overall I think people are giving far to much weight to what is a very stupid talk show.
@Sweet Square I agree it matters in that he is influential
when I say it doesn't matter I just meant we shouldn't discredit his viewpoint based on the people he has on his show
right wing people exist and should be allowed to express their views and it's up to people who disagree to counter with better ideas, not just say their views are invalid because of x, y and z
when I say it doesn't matter I just meant we shouldn't discredit his viewpoint based on the people he has on his show
right wing people exist and should be allowed to express their views and it's up to people who disagree to counter with better ideas, not just say their views are invalid because of x, y and z
I think he's interviewed the three democratic candidates after that tweet (EDIT: Andrew Yang was on the previous month). You can make the case for a few more appearances on either side, but the ratio will still be highly disproportionate. And you're right, it's his choice, it's his podcast after all. It's just that people are pretty jumpy on this thread getting all defensive about what's an obvious trend in his choice of political guests in recent years.
Twitter really gets more brain dead every day. We disagree on the definition of left and right wing. Being a jerk or 'trolling the libs' on Twitter doesn't cut it for me.
feck me prometheus had a mare last night.
Rogan had a load of the 'marketplace of ideas' guys on while that was a hot topic on the Internet. Obviously he agrees with them on free speech and the right to say un-pc things- he's a comedian!
He's had loads of political lefties on. He mostly agrees with them on politics.. I certainly don't recall him confronting a lefty saying political opinions like he did with right wing dumbasses like Dave Rubin or Peter Schiff - he absolutely ruined them both on the role of government in regulation.
Rogan had a load of the 'marketplace of ideas' guys on while that was a hot topic on the Internet. Obviously he agrees with them on free speech and the right to say un-pc things- he's a comedian!
He's had loads of political lefties on. He mostly agrees with them on politics.. I certainly don't recall him confronting a lefty saying political opinions like he did with right wing dumbasses like Dave Rubin or Peter Schiff - he absolutely ruined them both on the role of government in regulation.
A typically pointless hill for the modern left to shoot each other to pieces on.
Rogan has had plenty of people on the podcast criticising the YouTube algorithm. He’s criticised it himself.
Trusting ‘Danny Boy’ to uncover some truth while working from a position of bias is truly nutty.
Discounting all guests that don’t let you produce the results you want.... is wrong.
9 out of 10 guests will freely discuss how terrible Republican policy is. They support free speech, are pro choice, are largely non religious and so on. They represent the bulk of his guests and the bulk of his audience. Comedians, scientists, writers, anything within the sports or health arena. These are all liberal guests.
You are insanely precious if you think this is a right wing show. It’s a heavily left leaning show with right wing voices being heard.
If everyone stopped trying to misrepresent information they’d learn a lot more.
Do you really swing so far left that you need all dissenting voices to your beliefs need silencing?
Who said that? I've nothing of the sort! Having a random scientist or an entertainer/comedian who maybe liberal is not the same thing as having right wing political commentators. I'm guessing the reason you and others keep clinging onto many of his entertainers/fighters/scientist guests being liberal is because you know full well that the number of left wing political commentators he's had is not even close to the number of right wing/far-right commentators.
So? Why does it bother you anyway?
Either way, right wing political commentators create more controversy due to their opinions, and therefore generate more hits. People are more likely to watch Ben Shapiro trying to justify why trans people should be given lithium than watch some left wing journalist nobodies ever heard of. At the end of the day it’s an off-the-cuff 3 hour podcast where a comedian talks shit. Don’t get so worked up about it.
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- That's correct, but we're talking about that particular subset: left/right political commentators.
- That's a good point.
- I actually Sam Harris is a right wing as well. I know this maybe controversial.
- I've checked just now. I think She had multiple appearances prior to Nov 2016 but nothing in that period.
Sam Harris right-wing 
Question : Do you think that more than 10% of airtime on the JRE is spent discussing right wing and far right views in a neutral or positive manner?
‘Political Commentator’ is some weird invention of people like you. There’s a weird niche of people that have carved out a business ahead of, and off the back of, the Trump Presidency.
Trump spoke to a class of people that were not being heard. Talking Heads like Shapiro and Owens find an audience in a climate like this. They are not ‘Political Commentators’ so much as chancers jumping on a bandwagon.
They have no more standing as a voice of politics than the average guest.
Name some credible and interesting left wing commentators that should be appearing, but are not. I imagine that all of their points are covered by the guests that already appear.
You’re looking for some weird paradigm that just doesn’t exist.
The bulk of the show is liberal, left leaning and open. Put it this way;
- If the far right are clinging to every word that the right wing guests across 20 episodes a year are saying.... so what?
- There are HUNDREDS of guests that turn down the volume on that dial.
The way you get caught up in all of this nonsense is indicative of the stupid way-too-far-left that is so easy to criticise.
You have a mainstream media entity that supports almost all of the things that you want. He backs your candidate. He promotes everything you want. He wants money out of politics. He hates trump. He’s pro everything equitable and finds racism, sexism, any system that suppresses people as being evil.
But you burn your undies at the idea he has a conversation with people you don’t agree with.
It’s absolutely fcuking insane.
Imagine how extreme left you have to be to think that...Sam Harris right-wing
The kind of extreme that wants to not only to not see anyone who doesn't completely agree with them, they want them "cancelled" too.
I'm not bothered or worked up about it, to be honest. I still actually like the podcast, and I said that from the outset. This whole discussion was generated because people clearly got defensive when I pointed out this disparity.
Absolutely. Especially when they were being invited on at the peak of the debate on free speech and many were interesting due to their experience of cancel culture.
Don't get me wrong, I think Jordan Peterson is borderline insane but there is no doubt he was a relevant figure when he was on frequently. As was Bret Weinstien who was another Democrat who was kicked out of the tent.
Joe Rogan is a asshole and has played a major part in normalising right wing loons like Alex Jones and Mino but I dont see the problem with him endorsing Bernie, its actually a good thing, Bernie winning people over who arent his major demographic.
It's his stated ethical beliefs in extreme hypothetical scenarios related to Islam, nukes and torture.
But then you cant argue against the idea that the podcast is a window into the alt right that leads many people down rabbit holes.
I never knew that cnut was on the alt-right too. Didn't think he could slip further down in my estimations.
Is that the Korean rapper Mino.... or Mino Raiola?
Jordan Peterson is an absolute twat. But it took me a couple of podcasts to kind of get that.
There’s no danger in having these people on a podcast. In 3 hours he has some solid points of view. Give him 6-9 hours to flesh them out and it’s easy to realise he’s stunted.
I’ve dated people for weeks only to realise I invested that time unwisely. (I’m sure some of my exes would say the same of me)
That’s how things should work. Surely?
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To be honest, you're more worked up about this than I'm. Half your post is ascribing to me positions that I haven't taken. I haven't said he shouldn't be having these guests and repeated this clearly several times, so I have no idea why you're saying I'm trying to shut down conversations with people I don't agree with. You say that more general guests that come on the show are sufficient to offset against whatever right wing guests say, and I can't see how a talk with random entertainer/comedian, scientist or fighter would do that. You ask for an example of a "credible and interesting" leftist that could have been on the show. While I'm sure I could give you examples (take Chomsky for example), I find it more amusing that you would impose this condition on leftists when it clearly hasn't been applied to right-wingers that have appeared on the show.
You need to relax, dude.
One of the main reasons he isn't considered right wing is because he's an atheist. He was one of the proponents of new atheism. If he was Christian and sported the same views on many of these issues, he would be considered a right winger.
Ahhhh a man of class and culture like most Joe Rogan fan
I think thats more the nature of youtube than the show itself. I think people need to take responsibility for themselves though, these alt right guys aren't hypnotoad, you should be able to recognise that Stefan Molyneux or whoever is damaged and has a warped view of the world.
Precisely
You've done a survey have you?
Joe has his issues, but I feel like he at least pays lip service to accepting mistakes and reflects on being an asshole sometimes, which is worth something.
I don't see how he normalised either of them, what is normalising someone?
Alex Jones ranted like a gibbering baboon for 8 hours or so, combined, on his appearances.
All I took away from it was, that he's a deeply troubled person that talks a massive amount of absolute rubbish and you shouldn't take his word on anything. He's been right a few times about conspiracies, wither thats a broken clock syndrome or not doesn't really matter as he will immediately run the greatest disinformation campaign the world has ever seen, on himself, in the very next breath. He's probably right that Hilary Clinton isn't a nice person, but not correct about the fact that she's a transdimensional pot-bellied emotional vampire goblin.
Milo was on a few times, I can't say I listened beyond the first one, he was clearly an attention seeking troll of the highest order, he'll say whatever just to get a rise out of people. Gavin McInnes(?) or whatever was very similar and that blew up in his face pretty good as well.
If you can't judge people for what they are over a long period of time, that's kinda on you, anyone can sound smart with prepared bit or a 3 minute News talking head interview or some clever editing. But being exposed in a normal-ish conversation over a coupla hours, you tend to get found out. Like I quite like Adam Conover, but he shit the bed pretty hard on Rogan and that might be a contributor to the current "he's a transphobe" talk as people clipped that episode up alot.
He has never had anyone who is alt right on.
Is it a gateway into fash-left when David Pakman, Kyle Kulinski, Jimmy Dore, etc etc are on?
I had no idea Joe Rogan was deemed right wing. Yikes. I only listen to his podcast when he has a guest on that I Know or have some interests in. He always seems to be pro science to me. I wouldn't call him a left wing socialist but he's nut exactly Ben Shapiro either. Comes off as a regular person.