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Saying the n-word. Saying that black people are apes. Saying that black people are strong and white people are smart.You'd have to define what is and isn't racist I guess.
So difficult without full context. Someone simply saying the n word for me does not make them a racist.Saying the n-word. Saying that black people are apes. Saying that black people are strong and white people are smart.
Man is a racist, it's got feck all to do with who is making the observationIt is not depressing. It is the truth.
Thought Jimmy the Greek croaked years ago.So difficult without full context. Someone simply saying the n word for me does not make them a racist.
second one - agreed. It’s weird, I can’t imagine ever saying something like that.
third one - aren’t black people more athletic due to the fat/muscle ratio? The brain thing is dumb, presumably joe came across IQ vs Race studies that are widely discredited. He’s clearly educated himself and changed his opinion though as somebody pointed out above.
Had to look it up. But seriously someone enlighten me because I thought it was true. There’s a physiological advantage for black people due to genetics?Thought Jimmy the Greek croaked years ago.
If a white person says the n-word regularly, they're racist. It honestly is that simple to me. What kind of context would you need for that? It's not like it's a new thing that saying it isn't cool. It hasn't been cool for longer than he's been alive.So difficult without full context. Someone simply saying the n word for me does not make them a racist.
No, that's ridiculous. "Black people" is not a genetic category anyway, so how could that possibly make any sense? There's greater genetic diversity in Sub-Saharan than in the rest of the world combined.third one - aren’t black people more athletic due to the fat/muscle ratio?
Maybe you should define it since you seem to believe "99%" of people have made racist comments in their past.You'd have to define what is and isn't racist I guess. I was thinking that in theory most people have very likely made a racist comment - usually when joking around with friends. I don't think this makes them racist though in any meaningful way.
I think I was just lucky to grow up through uni with a relaxed diverse group that didn't have a problem with race and didn't care about joking around about our differences! Everyones different though I guess.
The one percentersMaybe its just me but I've never said the n-word in any context nor claimed there are white and black brains.
Just me I guess.
I was just thinking this, is there a cohort of non-racist white people in this thread who just say racist things?Maybe its just me but I've never said the n-word in any context nor claimed there are white and black brains.
Just me I guess.
They are very different things though. The first is quite easy to happen in some circumstances, the second really requires a racist thinking from a cognitive point of view.Maybe its just me but I've never said the n-word in any context nor claimed there are white and black brains.
Just me I guess.
Depends how the word is used for me. Interesting about the genetic diversity though! Time for some digging through the literature.If a white person says the n-word regularly, they're racist. It honestly is that simple to me. What kind of context would you need for that? It's not like it's a new thing that saying it isn't cool. It hasn't been cool for longer than he's been alive.
No, that's ridiculous. "Black people" is not a genetic category anyway, so how could that possibly make any sense? There's greater genetic diversity in Sub-Saharan than in the rest of the world combined.
Well it would be as simple as saying something like “gypos are trouble”. That’s a racist comment. A racist comment that still is used all of the time by (guesswork) a majority of people.Maybe you should define it since you seem to believe "99%" of people have made racist comments in their past.
Sounds like a European example because that's not really a thing in the Americas. But I definitely question whether a "majority of people" in Europe makes comments like that "all the time". I'll let some of your fellow European posters decide the truth of your assumption there.Depends how the word is used for me. Interesting about the genetic diversity though! Time for some digging through the literature.
Well it would be as simple as saying something like “gypos are trouble”. That’s a racist comment. A racist comment that still is used all of the time by (guesswork) a majority of people.
Oh, dear.Joe Rogan is an an absolute legend and one of the last super famous people in the world who cares about free speech.
Still can’t believe they tried to cancel Joe Rogan, scary the way society is heading. 1984 looks more real everyday.
I think in the UK it’s a pretty commonly held view. Don’t know about the rest of Europe.Sounds like a European example because that's not really a thing in the Americas. But I definitely question whether a "majority of people" in Europe makes comments like that "all the time". I'll let some of your fellow European posters decide the truth of your assumption there.
I think the equivalent for Americans, maybe 'immigrants are trouble" is absolutely not said all the time by a majority but only a distinct minority of people (Trumpers).
Who do you like about him ?Joe Rogan is an an absolute legend and one of the last super famous people in the world who cares about free speech.
Still can’t believe they tried to cancel Joe Rogan, scary the way society is heading. 1984 looks more real everyday.
Joe Rogan has his own company called Bent Pixels who’s sole purpose is to take down anything critical of Joe from YouTube etcJoe Rogan is an an absolute legend and one of the last super famous people in the world who cares about free speech.
Still can’t believe they tried to cancel Joe Rogan, scary the way society is heading. 1984 looks more real everyday.
Joe Rogan is an an absolute legend and one of the last super famous people in the world who cares about free speech.
Still can’t believe they tried to cancel Joe Rogan, scary the way society is heading. 1984 looks more real everyday.
I'd guess there are several of their employees in this thread.Joe Rogan has his own company called Bent Pixels who’s sole purpose is to take down anything critical of Joe from YouTube etc
Oh, dear.
Clearly, he's being sarcastic. Or is he?Who do you like about him ?
Either a misspelling or a brilliant deconstruction of the guest-focused defences of the last few pages.Who do you like about him ?
I'd like to hear the thoughts of some of our other UK posters on the truth of your claims.I think in the UK it’s a pretty commonly held view. Don’t know about the rest of Europe.
Who do you like about him ?
I don’t agree with everything he says but he always takes on challenging topics that nobody else does. People should be allowed to debate, he is hardly a educational show, why are people taking it to heart, it’s entertainment.Joe Rogan has his own company called Bent Pixels who’s sole purpose is to take down anything critical of Joe from YouTube etc
I haven''t seen YouTube remove any of his content. Spotify have removed a selection of things that were apparently not controversial when they aired, but are so now. I don't think Rogan himself is going anywhere since he is one of the most watched podcasters in the world and has fairly wide range of guests on. Like others who have recently had to apologize for past comments (Maher, Joy Reid, Kaitlyn Collins etc), I suspect this will blow over at some point and he will be back to his normal content.I don’t agree with everything he says but he always takes on challenging topics that nobody else does. People should be allowed to debate, he is hardly a educational show, why are people taking it to heart, it’s entertainment.
As for his company, surely that is the larger issue of YouTube. They are removing videos that shouldn’t be removed, Joe Rogan shouldn’t be able to influence YouTube surely.
What exactly are the topics he takes on, that nobody else does? I'm genuinely curious, because it seems like the topics on these long form conversation podcasts are generally the same. Joe Rogan might have been first and be the biggest, but I fail to see him doing anything that isn't being done on a number of other podcasts.I don’t agree with everything he says but he always takes on challenging topics that nobody else does.
The other poster said Rogans team take things down on Youtube, I would blame YouTube rather than Rogan for that. That’s sad to hear Spotify took some of his content down because some people didn’t like it.I haven''t seen YouTube remove any of his content. Spotify have removed a selection of things that were apparently not controversial when they aired, but are so now. I don't think Rogan himself is going anywhere since he is one of the most watched podcasters in the world and has fairly wide range of guests on. Like others who have recently had to apologize for past comments (Maher, Joy Reid, Kaitlyn Collins etc), I suspect this will blow over at some point and he will be back to his normal content.
Youtube has a pretty open minded policy about content and the fact that Rogan makes a majority of his money at Spotify suggests that he may take some of the more controversial experts down to avoid any further blow back from all of this.The other poster said Rogans team take things down on Youtube, I would blame YouTube rather than Rogan for that. That’s sad to hear Spotify took some of his content down because some people didn’t like it.
I hope your right about it blowing over mate. I don’t like this cancel culture at all, can just see where it’s leading. People shouldn’t be scared to discuss what’s going on in the world. It’s so important to question things rightly or wrongly. These people that don’t like Rogan should just make videos in response or just don’t watch him, not try to end his career
Buddy if you can't comprehend the difference between a Monday Night Football broadcast on national television and a comedian's stoner podcast that maybe had a few hundred thousand downloads at the time then that's on you. And Cosell was punished immediately and actually mostly forgiven later - He's still pretty fondly remembered in spite of what he said. They weren't digging up something he said a decade prior.BTW @KingCavani You should look up Howard Cosell. He made a racist comment in 1983 and he was taken off the air and "canceled." Completely erases your implication that 2012 was some different world.
Yeh, it would be interesting. Like you said before though I do suspect it’s a very Uk centric comment.I'd like to hear the thoughts of some of our other UK posters on the truth of your claims.
From your posts, my hypothesis is that you are surrounded (either by choice or circumstance) by a lot more of the UK equivalent of Trumpers, so your view on what a "majority" of people think and believe is massively skewed. Believing 99% of people make racist comments like your example defies common sense.
I think a case that is closer to Rogan's is that of Joy Reid, who made some anti-gay posts about a decade ago and managed to keep her job at MSNBC. Unlike Rogan, I believe she actually denied it by claiming her account had been hacked, which was rejected by many who had tracked down her posts on the way back machine. She managed to skate through all of that and keep her job and its largely since been forgotten.Buddy if you can't comprehend the difference between a Monday Night Football broadcast on national television and a comedian's stoner podcast that maybe had a few hundred thousand downloads at the time then that's on you. And Cosell was punished immediately and actually mostly forgiven later - He's still pretty fondly remembered in spite of what he said. They weren't digging up something he said a decade prior.
Blowing everything out of proportion only resonates when there's an element of truth. Only the most far gone people really buy into nonsense like Joe Biden being a socialist whereas I guarantee your average person doesn't give a shit about what Joe Rogan said in 2010 - And loads of people will be sympathetic to the notion that this is being blown out of proportion.You're right that the culture war is what Republicans run on these days and they blow everything out of proportion and spin it to sound much worse than it actually is. But you're definitely wrong about making presumptions about the "average American." Talking about things people said in 2012 as "insane" is, itself, an insane thing for you to say. The "average American" knew 20,30 years ago that things like the Planet of the Apes comment and the different brains were racist nonsense. 2012 was not 1950. What's really insane is you dismissing calling out these comments as "insane." The major difference between 2012 and now is simply that social media has evolved into a much more ubiquitous thing, where in 2012 social media was more Facebook and people just talked to their friend list. Maybe you didn't see people calling out racism then, but I certainly did and none of those comments would be acceptable.
This manufactured outrage at "cancel culture" and the right-wingers is definitely weaponized by the far-right trying to blow everything out of proportion to hold only their slim majorities in key districts that give them political power because of outdated mechanisms like electoral college and gerrymandering.
And that "opie and Anthony" show was pretty obscure. It looks like it only played in a few East Coast markets (I had to Google it to even know what it was). It was pretty much unknown in California in the 2000s. So, that's not an example of what was mainstream at all. It was very niche and regional with only a tiny minority of people that paid attention to it. For mainstream, you should bring up examples like Rush Limbaugh, though I'm not sure they ever slipped up and made outright racist comments like those obscure radio hosts you mentioned.
Are you scared of going around in public saying "white brains" are better than "black brains" or saying you're entering planet of the apes when you enter a room with a lot of black people in it?People shouldn’t be scared to discuss what’s going on in the world.
Why is the comment he made about black and white brains in 2011 more of a reflection of him as a human being than the comments he made in 2017 (unprompted, not as a reponse to anything) where he stated exactly the opposite and reflected on the stupidity of that very concept?Are you scared of going around in public saying "white brains" are better than "black brains" or saying you're entering planet of the apes when you enter a room with a lot of black people in it?
That's not what I asked though, is it?Why is the comment he made about black and white brains in 2011 more of a reflection of him as a human being than the comments he made in 2017 (unprompted, not as a reponse to anything) where he stated exactly the opposite and reflected on the stupidity of that very concept?
Why does one define him and not the other? Surely the more recent comment is more of a reflection of where is his thought process is at?
Would I be afraid?That's not what I asked though, is it?
Would you be afraid of making comments like those in public?
I don’t understand ? Is this something Joe Rogan has said ?Are you scared of going around in public saying "white brains" are better than "black brains" or saying you're entering planet of the apes when you enter a room with a lot of black people in it?
He said both at different times.I don’t understand ? Is this something Joe Rogan has said ?