EyeInTheSky
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Complaining about a pre season friendly with half the squad missing. This place...
Stop trying to make sense of it
Complaining about a pre season friendly with half the squad missing. This place...
Nonsense. Results will always be king, and rightfully so. If he fails to challenge for the title then he’s on life support - a proper title challenge or title win and he’s safe.
Nonsense. Results will always be king, and rightfully so. If he fails to challenge for the title then he’s on life support - a proper title challenge or title win and he’s safe.
@SirAF hit the nail on the head. People saying they want him gone by Christmas or at the end of the season are basically saying they hope United fail because that's the only way the manager gets sacked.
Didn't you wish Moyes or LvG gone also in the past? So did you hope United fail?@SirAF hit the nail on the head. People saying they want him gone by Christmas or at the end of the season are basically saying they hope United fail because that's the only way the manager gets sacked.
Agreed. In terms of competitiveness, Pre-season is a nothing game but it's not just about "building fitness", as some silly people said. Why would you "build fitness" going on tour thousands of miles away? It's also a showcase to fans out there, what United is, and what "world class" players United have can do. Then for players to build cohesiveness, and implement the manager's tactic against real team.I'm not sure what exactly Jose's role is in terms of coaching attacking player - if we're honest I doubt anyone on here is - but in the end he is responsible for it. Whether that's him directly or whoever he appoints to handle it.
I'm not sure I've ever seen a United team this utterly disconnected for such a long period of time. I watch (sadly) every minute and I have no idea what the players are trying to accomplish, short of not losing the ball. And that really is the last 9 months or so.
At some stage it has to come back to Jose. This is a preseason tour, it should be about getting kids chances, having some fun, getting fit and showing off to fans that are unlikely able to see us live. Instead Jose is handling it like a spoilt child who's being forced to do his homework. And that HAS to translate to the players.
This whole summer is reminding me of pre season 2006. From the 'miserable' transfers, to the lack of harmony in the squad on tour, to players like Pogba and Martial apparently wanting out (one may be very true).
I remember articles stating how we would drop out of the top 4 as Chelsea, Liverpool Spurs and Arsenal had done superior business. Giggs and Scholes were done and dusted etc.
I dont expect us to go and start a revolution again as we did in 06, but I'd love it if this squad can prove its worth.
Yeah, he's clearly on about preseason.He's right here, its not his fault so many of our players went deep in the World Cup.
Its a mixture of our sub bench and under age players, it's hardly a shocking statement to make.
Yeah take LvG for example, I wanted him out but I didn't once say that I wanted us to lose games. I always made the point that I wanted him out even if we sneaked top four and won the FA Cup. What others have been saying is stuff like "hopefully it's Mourinho's last few months at the club" and "hopefully gone by Christmas" we all know the only way for a manager to be sacked during the season is for the club to do terrible. Why any United fan would want us to lose games is beyond me.Didn't you wish Moyes or LvG gone also in the past? So did you hope United fail?
Preseason and the doom merchants are already in full swing. Anyone remember LVG's first preseason...beat Real ,Liverpool, Inter, Valencia, Roma....literally means nothing
Yeah take LvG for example, I wanted him out but I didn't once say that I wanted us to lose games. I always made the point that I wanted him out even if we sneaked top four and won the FA Cup. What others have been saying is stuff like "hopefully it's Mourinho's last few months at the club" and "hopefully gone by Christmas" we all know the only way for a manager to be sacked during the season is for the club to do terrible. Why any United fan would want us to lose games is beyond me.
Seen this on Twitter and sums up how I feel to a T:
Well we did end up starting well that season on the back of that.
We lost our first game that season. And, no, we didn't start well. 3 wins in our first 10 that season.
I am a Jose supporter, but I tell you what, after watching the 2 pre-season games, Jose looks like he is completely out of ideas.
The last time I saw this in the December, 2 years back, when LVG lost/drew every match. The guy had no idea what to do and that was my turning point. I knew he was done.
I am now seriously worried that Jose has also reached that point.
What I found shocking yesterday was that the team we played had more shots on target than us and they are apparently bottom of their league.
Our attackers simply had no idea how to attack. It was like watching a chef who didn't know how to cook. Or a carpenter who didn't know how to cut wood.
If our attackers lack the skill to shoot the ball towards the goal, then Jose needs to teach them this most basic skill or sell them. Hanging on to these types of players won't see us win anything. Martial in particular was dreadful. A player who looked like was playing to get himself sold or benched.
We have scored 1 goal in our first 2 pre-season games.
And before someone says, "it's only pre-season". This argument does not explain what I saw yesterday. Our attackers literally had no idea how to shoot the ball towards the goal. Just because an attacker has 2 months off, it does not excuse him of what I saw yesterday.
We finished last season poorly and we have started pre-season exactly the same way.
We need Jose to get his mojo back and take complete ownership of the situation, because right now, it looks like he doesn't give a damn.
If I don't see change in the next few months, then I will be in the Jose Out brigade (and I never thought I'd even be thinking this - I want him to say with us for the next decade and win every single trophy there is to win).
Actually there is a difference. This was around December 2015 when I turned on LvG and at that time we were knocked out of the CL group stages in a shite group we should've walked, we were a bit off top four and losing in embarrassing fasion to the likes of Norwich. I never said I wanted us to lose games hence why I said in my first post that I hoped we got top four which was a big ask and win the cup but I felt it was the right time to move on from LvG regardless. If people think this way with Mourinho then fair enough I have no issues with that what I don't like or understand is people saying it's hopefully the last few months of Mourinho before the season has even started. Like I said, only way he goes during the season is if we do terrible.There's absolutely no difference. Under LVG you basically said that no mater the results & expectations placed on him that you wanted him gone.
He meant we're not a team in this pre season because everything is makeshift and he's right. Some of you lot have such a clear agenda I wonder if you actually support the club.
There's absolutely no difference. Under LVG you basically said that no mater the results & expectations placed on him that you wanted him gone.
I say - no matter the expectation & results; I don't want Jose mourinho here. Absolutely no difference. The only difference is that Jose is the type of manager that you hire to amplify success over anything else & our football represents this. We can do just enough to maintain wins & get points but our football has no personality, charisma or continuing progress.
I don't see him suddenly improving this year & have absolutely no belief in him to change his methods - therefore I believe it is inevitable that he fails. I do not wish for it but I expect it & due to that I wish he goes ASAP.
Infact - more so than a lack of results; I expect him to lose control of squad as he started to do & history of doing towards the end of his 2nd season. If we win the title & meet the expectations of our club under Jose then he has the right to continue whether I like him here or not. I see so many holes in this team that I already believe this is a wasted season - therefore replacing Jose as early as possible is a positive to me.
I do not see the things that he is currently as beneficial & even before the season starts I believe he himself could be doing a better Job.
I am a Jose supporter, but I tell you what, after watching the 2 pre-season games, Jose looks like he is completely out of ideas.
The last time I saw this in the December, 2 years back, when LVG lost/drew every match. The guy had no idea what to do and that was my turning point. I knew he was done.
I am now seriously worried that Jose has also reached that point.
What I found shocking yesterday was that the team we played had more shots on target than us and they are apparently bottom of their league.
Our attackers simply had no idea how to attack. It was like watching a chef who didn't know how to cook. Or a carpenter who didn't know how to cut wood.
If our attackers lack the skill to shoot the ball towards the goal, then Jose needs to teach them this most basic skill or sell them. Hanging on to these types of players won't see us win anything. Martial in particular was dreadful. A player who looked like was playing to get himself sold or benched.
We have scored 1 goal in our first 2 pre-season games.
And before someone says, "it's only pre-season". This argument does not explain what I saw yesterday. Our attackers literally had no idea how to shoot the ball towards the goal. Just because an attacker has 2 months off, it does not excuse him of what I saw yesterday.
We finished last season poorly and we have started pre-season exactly the same way.
We need Jose to get his mojo back and take complete ownership of the situation, because right now, it looks like he doesn't give a damn.
If I don't see change in the next few months, then I will be in the Jose Out brigade (and I never thought I'd even be thinking this - I want him to say with us for the next decade and win every single trophy there is to win).
State of this place after 2 pre season game . The weather was too hot today , i would be half-assed as well if i were the player
Its not that damning since the consensus of absolutely everybody that having 3 managers in 5 years gave us as much of a disjointed squad as possible.Yes, but what's pretty damning is that this statement could be applied to the last two seasons. It's not just pre season we don't look like a team, it's the past two years under him. He inadvertently hit the nail on the head.
Its not that damning since the consensus of absolutely everybody that having 3 managers in 5 years gave us as much of a disjointed squad as possible.
Preseason and the doom merchants are already in full swing. Anyone remember LVG's first preseason...beat Real ,Liverpool, Inter, Valencia, Roma....literally means nothing
Like I said, only way he goes during the season is if we do terrible.
The only way Mourinho will get the sack is if the results are not coming, by virtue of that hoping for Mourinho to lose his job = hoping that United does not win trophies.
Some of this lot would rather see Mourinho fail than United to win.
This is probably the best post I have read in this thread. Im still surprised by the fact that people think that Mourinho will wake up one morning having channelled his inner Bielsa, goes out and buys 3-4 players and plays champagne football.Yeah, but I don't think there are many on here who detest José so badly that they actively want us to have a shite season. Some, perhaps – fans do seem to get pettier all the time, desperately wanting to be proven right about players and managers – but certainly still a clear minority. There's a minority of zealots on the other side as well, who will undoubtedly come up with all manner of crap to explain it away if he does feck up (or melt down) and leave.
I genuinely think most of those who say “hope he's gone by Christmas” don't actively want us to lose. It's merely a reflection of what they fully believe will happen, i.e. that that we won't improve and that he'll fall out with the players, etc. In which case he could be gone by Christmas, conceivably.
Anyway, most of the criticism we see now in the aftermath of a couple of pre-season games is just confirmation bias: he's negative, looks negative, the gloom will persist, etc. Objectively, we've fielded teams that couldn't possibly be cohesive - and José's grumpiness and whatnot is being overplayed.
Lastly, is what we've seen on the pitch an indication that he won't dramatically change his approach? Yes, of course it is - but did you * actually expect him to? Bring in a couple of new coaches - and become a radically different, attack minded manager? A joga bonito enthusiast who will never park a bus again? Come on. He won't change. Our hopes rest with him being able to get this United team to play actual Mourinho football - and not what looks like a pale and stale version of it.
* Not you, specifically