What if his sushi isn't even that good anymore?This is probably the best post I have read in this thread. Im still surprised by the fact that people think that Mourinho will wake up one morning having channelled his inner Bielsa, goes out and buys 3-4 players and plays champagne football.
As long as Mourinho is here he needs to be allowed (not that he cares what anyone thinks) to play his brand of football. It is what made him successful. You dont take the worlds best sushi chef and make him cook pasta if you want your restaurant to be successful.
That said: I want him gone long term. Now is not the time though.
That's how I feel too.That said: I want him gone long term. Now is not the time though.
Still makes no sense to expect him to cook pasta.What if his sushi isn't even that good anymore?
Its not anymore. I sincerely hope that the club is looking for a new kind of chef. But as long as the restaurant is made for sushi and there are just ingredients to play (sorry cook) that kinda football, we are kinda stuck with it. For now. And it will take some time to change the approach.What if his sushi isn't even that good anymore?
The restaurant was never made for just sushi, the restaurant was made to win top chef every year by whatever dish, sushi or pasta. The current chef has been given the resources to challenge for the competition but so far we don't even know what he's cooking but whatever it is, it doesn't look like he's mixing the ingredients rightIts not anymore. I sincerely hope that the club is looking for a new kind of chef. But as long as the restaurant is made for sushi and there are just ingredients to play (sorry cook) that kinda football, we are kinda stuck with it. For now. And it will take some time to change the approach.
I hope he is gone next summer or at least the summer after that. But it would be footballing suicide to play someother type of football with him as coach and with the players he has bought and retained for his system. IMO.
I was thinking about this the other day, trying to make a list of Jose's strengths as manager. I struggled. He seems pretty shit at man management and that's the most important part of being a manager. That combined with his conservative tactics begs the question why he's considered one of the best anymore.
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After seeing the likes of Zidane, Pep & alot of the big clubs turning towards ex players - I hope we soon go for a chef who has experience of this kitchen & understands his customers expectations.Its not anymore. I sincerely hope that the club is looking for a new kind of chef. But as long as the restaurant is made for sushi and there are just ingredients to play (sorry cook) that kinda football, we are kinda stuck with it. For now. And it will take some time to change the approach.
I hope he is gone next summer or at least the summer after that. But it would be footballing suicide to play someother type of football with him as coach and with the players he has bought and retained for his system. IMO.
EDIT: I hope he will be gone as long as its part of a long term plan from the club focusing on playing a different type of football going forward and appoint managers from that "philosophy" (yeah, I know). Until then I will bear with Mourinho. Providing he shows results.
If his favourites like matic, fellaini and young played like this he be praising them to high heaven. He’s failed to build a team and move on the likes of Valencia, young, jones, smalling, fellaini, darmian, only this year did we sell blind. The football does not seem to have changed or evolved one bit, and if he thinks he can grind out a PL title, then he will be shown once again he’s just a relic of football. I look at Jose I see no hunger, drive and blind on his taste in football players. If he agrees to martial and Willian swap deal, he’s finished. I still cannot believe we could field a team in season 2018/19 with smalling, Jones, Valencia, young and fellaini, almost 80% of our deadwood which the biggest twist is jose’s Key players in his eyesI was thinking about this the other day, trying to make a list of Jose's strengths as manager. I struggled. He seems pretty shit at man management and that's the most important part of being a manager. That combined with his conservative tactics begs the question why he's considered one of the best anymore.
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This also frustrates the hell out of me, no wonder our team plays like shit if he's coming out with stuff like this after a great performance.
Matic and Fellaini love to keep it simple. Can go entire halves playing sideways 5 yard passes.If his favourites like matic, fellaini and young played like this he be praising them to high heaven. He’s failed to build a team and move on the likes of Valencia, young, jones, smalling, fellaini, darmian, only this year did we sell blind. The football does not seem to have changed or evolved one bit, and if he thinks he can grind out a PL title, then he will be shown once again he’s just a relic of football. I look at Jose I see no hunger, drive and blind on his taste in football players. If he agrees to martial and Willian swap deal, he’s finished. I still cannot believe we could field a team in season 2018/19 with smalling, Jones, Valencia, young and fellaini, almost 80% of our deadwood which the biggest twist is jose’s Key players in his eyes
I think that's a little unfair to Matic. I remember being surprised at how good he was on the ball in the first few matches of the season, and he does pass forwards quite a bit, albeit he's not that great a passer and often ends up losing the ball.Matic and Fellaini love to keep it simple. Can go entire halves playing sideways 5 yard passes.
But they move quicker than a rock lol the idea of matic and fellaini in our midfield but willing to drop pogba would be up there when managers hit the bottle lol no manager can be serious with Valencia, young, Jones, fellaini, lingard or mata and matic in our team can win a titleMatic and Fellaini love to keep it simple. Can go entire halves playing sideways 5 yard passes.
Dont misread. I rate Matic's passing higher than most. Actually think he could be a poor man's Carrick if he showed more passing ambition, but he doesn't do so enough, usually till we're chasing a game. Of course he can't control a game like Carrick could and doesn't have the same range of passing hence why I say poor man's versionI think that's a little unfair to Matic. I remember being surprised at how good he was on the ball in the first few matches of the season, and he does pass forwards quite a bit, albeit he's not that great a passer and often ends up losing the ball.
Understood you. My impression of him was a little different, but fair enough. The season was so dull that I barely remember any of it anymore.Dont misread. I rate Matic's passing higher than most. Actually think he could be a poor man's Carrick if he showed more passing ambition, but he doesn't do so enough, usually till we're chasing a game. Of course he can't control a game like Carrick could and doesn't have the same range of passing hence why I say poor man's version
No surprise there, during LvG days we had plenty of people wishing us to lose games so (in their mind) he would get a sack. Some defended it with greater good bullshit, 2 years later here we are. Best part of all, one of those for greater good is i think a scout, not sure whats exactly a job of a scout guess giving likes to newbies so they get promoted, if so, thats fecking funny . Having a guy who wished United to lose games during LvG time, defended it with as greater good and then after even said how he doesnt see anything wrong with it, to be a scout for future full members, oh man.Yeah take LvG for example, I wanted him out but I didn't once say that I wanted us to lose games. I always made the point that I wanted him out even if we sneaked top four and won the FA Cup. What others have been saying is stuff like "hopefully it's Mourinho's last few months at the club" and "hopefully gone by Christmas" we all know the only way for a manager to be sacked during the season is for the club to do terrible. Why any United fan would want us to lose games is beyond me.
From the fans or the manager? I think the fans have the right to be concerned to be fair.The negativity is extremely tedious. I'm not really looking forward to our season at all.
Jose.From the fans or the manager? I think the fans have the right to be concerned to be fair.
FairJose.
I don't understand him at all, would it have hurt to put some praise on Pereira and boost his confidence? It's like he just looks for a chance to shit on the younger players.I was thinking about this the other day, trying to make a list of Jose's strengths as manager. I struggled. He seems pretty shit at man management and that's the most important part of being a manager. That combined with his conservative tactics begs the question why he's considered one of the best anymore.
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This also frustrates the hell out of me, no wonder our team plays like shit if he's coming out with stuff like this after a great performance.
Absolutely. This is all most fans are asking of him. Sod the champagne football; let’s just not lose to each and every one of the newly promoted teams.Our hopes rest with him being able to get this United team to play actual Mourinho football - and not what looks like a pale and stale version of it.
I know standards have dropped but “great performance”? Christ. The best CMs on the day were all wearing white. Which tells you all you need to know about how “great” his performance was.I was thinking about this the other day, trying to make a list of Jose's strengths as manager. I struggled. He seems pretty shit at man management and that's the most important part of being a manager. That combined with his conservative tactics begs the question why he's considered one of the best anymore.
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This also frustrates the hell out of me, no wonder our team plays like shit if he's coming out with stuff like this after a great performance.
Have you looked at his thread? I don't know if people are trying force praises or if they are serious.I know standards have dropped but “great performance”? Christ. The best CMs on the day were all wearing white. Which tells you all you need to know about how “great” his performance was.
I haven’t actually. I did watch the game though. “Ok” is fair enough. A couple of nice passes and he worked hard. Like I said, though, there were CMs on the other team more impressive on the day. And the other team was/is shite.Have you looked at his thread? I don't know if people are trying force praises or if they are serious.
The lad was trying his hardest and busting a lung, more so than anyone else and was our best player in the friendly so I think that warrants a bit of praise at least.I know standards have dropped but “great performance”? Christ. The best CMs on the day were all wearing white. Which tells you all you need to know about how “great” his performance was.
The “play even more simple” comment is depressing though, I agree. As limited as he was he gets bonus marks for at least trying to be progressive with his passing, from time to time. If the plan is for all of our CMs end up as risk averse as Hererra was on the ball yesterday I think I’ll have to stop watching.
The one thing I find hard to understand is his inability to deal with different players different strengths & weaknesses.It's very weird...We went from LVG who overly structured his attacks to the point that everything was so predictable, safe and dull to Mourinho's team that seems to have little attacking structure and relies on the players gelling together and using transitions to create attacking chances. I don't buy the overly defensive label, we generally get lots of players forward and at times played Matic on his own in midfield. But we play with such a poor attacking plan it seems like the players don't know what to do when things aren't coming off. We end up with completely weird set ups on the pitch, with players grouped in single areas of the pitch either down the left or through middle.
None of the above has really improved over the two seasons, and the pre-season seems like they're still there so I'm beginning to lose faith. Maybe Jose just isn't as adaptable enough. One of Fergie's biggest strengths.
That's what our standards have dropped to these days, though. Our other players (besides Sanchez) did feck all , so it's only fair to Pereira some recognition for at least trying to make something happen.I haven’t actually. I did watch the game though. “Ok” is fair enough. A couple of nice passes and he worked hard. Like I said, though, there were CMs on the other team more impressive on the day. And the other team was/is shite.
I thought Sanchez was our best player. Certainly the only United player who actually looked like he might belong in a higher league than the opposition. Pereira did work hard, I’ll give him that.The lad was trying his hardest and busting a lung, more so than anyone else and was our best player in the friendly so I think that warrants a bit of praise at least.
Pretty much this, I think we could sign a CB and a right winger and a new RB and i'd still be feeling the same way, He's creating this dark gloom over our club and if it can be felt by us on the outside I can only think what the people on the inside feel like,The negativity is extremely tedious. I'm not really looking forward to our season at all.
Questionable, he looked like our biggest threat but did he actually do any threatening? A lot of the same from him in my opinion. A lot of weaving back and forward on himself outside the box without causing their defence any problems. It's a friendly though with a broken team so it was a relatively good performance, but average as they come going off his past standards.I thought Sanchez was our best player. Certainly the only United player who actually looked like he might belong in a higher league than the opposition. Pereira did work hard, I’ll give him that.
Agreed.It's not about how great or average Pereira was, it's simply about talking up your own youth players to lift their confidence, it's not rocket science, managers do it all the time, Mourinho has lavished praise on mediocre performances of the players he likes in press confrences, so there's no reason he couldn't have given the lad a boost.
Here's the thing... He also seemed the only player capable of a forward pass, through the lines, which would find a teammate. The rest (Herrera, Garner, Shaw and Darmian) just passed it from side to side in the classic laborious way that we've done all of last season and resulted in us playing the most slow, boring and predictable football.I thought Sanchez was our best player. Certainly the only United player who actually looked like he might belong in a higher league than the opposition. Pereira did work hard, I’ll give him that.