Today he played in his position. I dont think it's the only problem. When he's brushed from the ball or displaces passes or is generally weak it's not the manager who is the problem, it's the player.Wich is no surprise. Jose doesn't seem like the right guy to get Mkhitaryan going. He is just extremely sensible. If you play him out of position and the team is not looking good, it just gets to him. Mourinho's style in general doesn't suit him. Mkhitaryan needs a more constructive, aggressive and active style to shine. He needs the ball a lot, needs quick transitions and teammates who make a lot of runs. And he's lost in the middle.
Yes he is. Once he's off his game, he needs time to recapture form. Was the same at Dortmund. He is a wonderful player when on form. Almost unstoppable. But he is extremely sensible, almost labile. Klopp for example never reached him. Tuchel on the other hand knew how to handle him and got him going. You need to be very careful with him as a coach. But I think he is worth the investment. But yes, if you can't or don't want to do it, you shouldn't have bought him.Today he played in his position. I dont think it's the only problem. When he's brushed from the ball or displaces passes or is generally weak it's not the manager who is the problem, it's the player.
And he's sensible and is depressed if he's not in his favorite position? My god, we shouldn't have bought him in the first place..
What does 'we performed worst' mean?Problem with United isn't that we played poorly vs top 5. Problem is we STILL continue to drop points vs teams we should be squashing.
Stoke. huddersfield 5 points we could have won more than we have now.
We had the easiest of starting fixtures as compared to other top 5, and we have bottled it and performed worst. Don't see the league table its a lie.
If things continue like this, we might struggle to be top 4.
But as I said some of it is on him not Mourinho or his style. He's one of those players who is great if everything around him is great. But if it isn't he's practically invisible.Yes he is. Once he's off his game, he needs time to recapture form. Was the same at Dortmund. He is a wonderful player when on form. Almost unstoppable. But he is extremely sensible, almost labile. Klopp for example never reached him. Tuchel on the other hand knew how to handle him and got him going. You need to be very careful with him as a coach. But I think he is worth the investment. But yes, if you can't or don't want to do it, you shouldn't have bought him.
He's like that sensible kid who's rather in the kitchen with his mother than at the playground. Tough love won't get you anywhere.
This is not right. Rashford clearly stayed central most of the time until Mkhi got subbed off. Lukaku even played deeper to hold up the play for Rashford to run in behind.Ashley young stopped attacking from the left wingback position for large parts of the game so rashford got dragged out , mkh never takes on the players or penetrates and lukaku gets isolated.
So disappointing to see only one touch in the box for the striker.
It should have been a 3412 but it was a 3421 with no attacking presence inside the box.
Ferguson was never miserable. And I'm not just talking about with the media. I'm talking on the touchline. If things aren't going your way in this team you look over to your manager and see a helpless miserable looking man. You would see quite a different figure when you looked over at Ferguson. He might be angry at you he might be encouraging you, motivating you. But he didn't just look miserable.Fergie was miserable as f*ck. I don't recall it mattering.
It is on Mourinho in the sense that this is nothing new, but was well known from his time at Dortmund. If you buy a guy like him (and Jose was the one buying him, if I'm not mistaken), you know what you're getting and you ought to make it work. He is not like the other players and he needs to be treated differently. I understand a coach who's unwilling to do that. But if you buy him and don't do it, it's on you.But as I said some of it is on him not Mourinho or his style. He's one of those players who is great if everything around him is great. But if it isn't he's practically invisible.
Frustrating.
Mkhi's treated very differently. He is not required to work as hard to help the midfielders. He is to focus on his sole duty to support the forward. Support here means just make good decision simple. Not even required to be dominant creative force. Yet he has been failing left and right for quite a while now. It's on him.It is on Mourinho in the sense that this is nothing new, but was well known from his time at Dortmund. If you buy a guy like him (and Jose was the one buying him, if I'm not mistaken), you know what you're getting and you ought to make it work. He is not like the other players and he needs to be treated differently. I understand a coach who's unwilling to do that. But if you buy him and don't do it, it's on you.
There you go.Jose out.
Meh, your poor attempt to rescue some dignity by constantly trying to shift the topic when faced with genuine facts.The part where you are writing a small essay, for starters.
You are also wrong again - I insulted you once, I did’t keep throwing. Don’t make me go for a brace.
Why would we even want him to sign a new deal at this point? Afraid of losing him to PSG? Wait until summer and see what he can accomplish in his fabled second season first.The Mirror says he wants a £3m a year pay rise on his current £12m a year salary.
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And hoof the ball with more accuracy that the rest of the team.No, because he can actually drive and link play.
Benitez?Meh, your poor attempt to rescue some dignity by constantly trying to shift the topic when faced with genuine facts.
By all means, go on.
I meant the fact that we bottled against small clubs, in spite of us having easier fixtures as compared to other top 5, is indicative that we have performed worst as compared to other top 5. The other big teams are slightly below us despite having a tougher start than us (ignoring man city obviously).What does 'we performed worst' mean?
I think he's completely in form. Contributing zero to the team is what he does. He's a weak man. This is form for him.Problem is or one of the problems is that Mickhi is completely out of form. And he's our nr. 10.
So all other top 4 teams had tougher start than us?I meant the fact that we bottled against small clubs, in spite of us having easier fixtures as compared to other top 5, is indicative that we have performed worst as compared to other top 5. The other big teams are slightly below us despite having a tougher start than us (ignoring man city obviously).
I don't mean in a tactical way, I mean as a human being. Mkhitaryan used to work really hard at Dortmund. That was because he liked the style, he enjoyed himself and he was on the same level as Tuchel. He needs to be comfortable at the club and with the coach. Mourinho as a person strikes me as much to negative for Mkhitaryan. Tuchel worked a lot with him, gave him books to read, talked with him all the time. They were on the same level and had great chemistry.Mkhi's treated very differently. He is not required to work as hard to help the midfielders. He is to focus on his sole duty to support the forward. Support here means just make good decision simple. Not even required to be dominant creative force. Yet he has been failing left and right for quite a while now. It's on him.
If you want to be a dick about it.And hoof the ball with more accuracy that the rest of the team.
What we saw was that Mkhi actively wanted the move to us under Mourinho. He is motivated himself to make it work. I doubt Mourinho and that fat agent kept him in the dark and kidnapped him here and reality just struck him in the end. Mkhi had the choice to stay at Dortmund with Tuchel. He himself gave us the signal. Just be realistic, if you're in Mourinho case. You have the player with the raw talent that would work in your system. Talk to him and explained all the expectation, he's very motivated to come. Would you be the one taking the blame? Mourinho, SAF talk to players a lot before signing them. That was no secret. At this stage, it's all on Mkhi. He's already past the stage where the team and coach needs to baby care him. He had one season behind and he showed toward last season, he could do the bare minimum required by supporting the forward. Right now, it's unacceptable performance.I don't mean in a tactical way, I mean as a human being. Mkhitaryan used to work really hard at Dortmund. That was because he liked the style, he enjoyed himself and he was on the same level as Tuchel. He needs to be comfortable at the club and with the coach. Mourinho as a person strikes me as much to negative for Mkhitaryan. Tuchel worked a lot with him, gave him books to read, talked with him all the time. They were on the same level and had great chemistry.
It's totally inexcusable for a squad this expensive to play the defensive nonsense Mourinho comes up with. Let's face it, the man's tactics are now obsoleteHe'll leave before Pep leaves City I reckon. He'll be the man to take PSG to where they want to go. I personally feel that the only way United will remain competitive during the Pep era is for him to stay as long as possible. Imo overall he's done a fantastic job.
However, I can't shake off this feeling of negativity around this club. It has lingered since Fergie left even though we have been making slow progress year after year. It's as if we are destined for years of playing catch up. As with LVG, I won't be surprised if United are the first club where Jose doesn't win the league title.
I know and understand what you mean. I just don't agree. Mkhitaryan is special, needs special treatment and a perfect environment to work. Mourinho is obviously not providing those things for him. He is not a normal player. Mourinho knew what he was getting himself into. There is a reason so many Dortmund fans were irritated Mourinho wanted him. There was just no way this would work out.What we saw that Mkhi actively wanted the move to us under Mourinho. He is motivated himself to make it work. I doubt Mourinho and that fat agent kept him in the dark and kidnapped him here and reality just struck him in the end. Mkhi had the choice to stay at Dortmund with Tuchel. He himself gave us the signal. Just be realistic, if you're in Mourinho case. You have the player with the raw talent that would work in your system. Talk to him and explained all the expectation, he's very motivated to come. Would you be the one taking the blame? Mourinho, SAF talk to players a lot before signing them. That was no secret. At this stage, it's all on Mkhi. He's already past the stage where the team and coach needs to baby care him. He had one season behind and he showed toward last season, he could do the bare minimum required by supporting the forward. Right now, it's unacceptable performance.
He's not capable of it, this is anything he hasn't faced before in bundesliga.What we saw was that Mkhi actively wanted the move to us under Mourinho. He is motivated himself to make it work. I doubt Mourinho and that fat agent kept him in the dark and kidnapped him here and reality just struck him in the end. Mkhi had the choice to stay at Dortmund with Tuchel. He himself gave us the signal. Just be realistic, if you're in Mourinho case. You have the player with the raw talent that would work in your system. Talk to him and explained all the expectation, he's very motivated to come. Would you be the one taking the blame? Mourinho, SAF talk to players a lot before signing them. That was no secret. At this stage, it's all on Mkhi. He's already past the stage where the team and coach needs to baby care him. He had one season behind and he showed toward last season, he could do the bare minimum required by supporting the forward. Right now, it's unacceptable performance.
There is a difference between being expensive and having quality. We were found out today primarily because we tried to play a more 'expansive' style. We were outplayed by a better team. Contrary to what everyone believes the reason why we lost today was because we allowed Fabregas and Hazard to dictate the play.It's totally inexcusable for a squad this expensive to play the defensive nonsense Mourinho comes up with. Let's face it, the man's tactics are now obsolete
Expensive with buying expensive players like pogba and lukaku , matic while they all have been good signings the signings made before mourinho are the problem.It's totally inexcusable for a squad this expensive to play the defensive nonsense Mourinho comes up with. Let's face it, the man's tactics are now obsolete
There was hardly much of low block today vs Chelsea until he got subbed off. He was invisible himself. He's not asked to stringing play and being super creative. He's just a transition point in our counter to support the forward, which is down least burdened for no 10 which I don't believe even Dortmund could tolerate he didn't do. He just didn't perform. It's worse than Kagawa at the moment. You know Kagawa when he's not at his best can still be tidy and makes the right decision in passing.He's not capable of it, this is anything he hasn't faced before in bundesliga.
He was a counter attacker who needs space and good movement in front. He can't break low blocks.
Ibra will eventually replace him and force him to go right an cut in.
This.Yeah, but that's what I mean. Of course you don't park the bus all the time, but the general strategy was the same as always. Get a draw, if you're lucky a win but in no way lose. It just doesn't make sense to me. Mourinho seems so paranoid in his approach.
He was, Mou is miserable generally.Are you seriously trying to argue that Fergie wasn't miserable in media interviews?
So being on the front foot the first 10-15 minutes and a couple of chances in stoppage time counts as intent? What about the 75 minutes in between?You don't think we showed any intent
a) when game started
b) After we went 1-0 down with 3 subs?
Tactics seemed fine to me, but our player's as wasn't as competitive as Chelsea today, esp in midfield where we missed Pogba, but they had Kante and Fabregas.
That was the difference in the end.
Yeah and when he's throwing the players under the bus then you'd moan why is he doing that. He can't win.His post match comments worry me. "One mistake cost us."
Hopefully he's just defending the players but if he thinks only one error was the problem today something isn't right.
