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Poor bloke. Wish him a speedy recovery.Harry Kane had to do an interview 'justifying' the penalty ffs. Have Salah or Mane had to do that?
Poor bloke. Wish him a speedy recovery.Harry Kane had to do an interview 'justifying' the penalty ffs. Have Salah or Mane had to do that?
I think Zlatan and Matic was the only first choice target he got , the rest wasn't.@windco
So you are saying Mourinho had absolutely no interest or influence in - Bailly, Lukaku, Lindelof, Pogba, crying about craving Maguire before the next manager wanted him, wanting perisic & Willian, buying Nemanja Matic as our CDM starter , buying Fred - a player that some are half half about, replacing Rashford and Martial's position directly with Alexis Sanchez instead of playing him at RW and on an absolute crazy contract, effing Lee Grant on contract for absolutely nothing, Mkhitaryan who was a decent player who he exchanged for Sanchez as another LW, using Fellaini as one of his main tactical players.
Like let me guess Jose Mourinho had nothing to do with this and was the guy who really understands Manchester United? I thought our first season with him was much better with winning the Europa league and league cup rather than his second season when he had much more of an imprint at the club - watching Zlatan play with Mkhitaryan, Pogba and a mix of LVG's tenure players he had to utelise like Martial, Blind, Herrera, Rashford was better than watching Lukaku, Matic, Lindelof, Bailly, Faulty Fred, Sanchez all the next season with alot of the previous season players being shunned out or sold.
It's not that success is not important to me but I dont see why with our history we should be the Real Madrid of England more than the Barcelona. Why should we value instant short term success that is quick to die as it was to build, rather than a type of quality based style of football for the youngest of players that we ingrain in our football like a philosophy to make us more successful? That's why people still mention Jose's appointment as a very questionable decision after Van Gaal by Woodward and even the fans who were dribbling out for Jose - both might have been shit or decent to some fans but one was a clear Barcelona type manager and one was Real Madrid's type that we hired one after another.
Then you look at Ole - I'm not the biggest fan of his football but I enjoy it more than Mourinho's simply due to the type of player he uses because he deems it suited to Manchester Uniteds historic style - Bruno, a forward line of 4 strikers for the first time that included Rashford Martial Greenwood & Cavani (rather than sticking to just Lukaku and chucking everyone out just on the sides of the first team), Van de Beek, improving players like Fred, Mctomminay, Shaw and Lindelof compared to his previous manager rather than just chucking them under a bus, going away from the fellaini & Lukaku football, signing players like Telles who are attacking fullbacks whilst we already have defensive fullbacks already in the squad.
Fair enough you think jose would have done better in his third season but he had turned his head directly against United as a club by looking at himself as the different guy and the better guy than the club as a whole - something none of our managers ever did. If you regard that as love for United as you said then so be it.
Yeah, it was weird. I've never seen Salah called to account for some of his truly egregious diving.Harry Kane had to do an interview 'justifying' the penalty ffs. Have Salah or Mane had to do that?
Or, perhaps, maybe due to the large volume of penalties VAR gives for simply breathing the air around the opposition player within a 1 meter radius?His recent trend of flopping easily is clearly down to Jose's influence.
I disagree that he was creating fouls out of nothing and I've seen all our matches in full at least twice. Kane didn't need to buy a thing at the world cup: he was being thrown around like a ragdoll.Kane’s been throwing himself around along time before he was managed by Mourinho. Go back and watch the him in the last World Cup and he was constantly trying to manipulate contact at set pieces.
That's certainly a factor. VAR has caused a massive general uptick in awards.Or, perhaps, maybe due to the large volume of penalties VAR gives for simply breathing the air around the opposition player within a 1 meter radius?
Yup. Agreed. For a big strong bloke he goes down at the brush of a feather.Kane’s been throwing himself around along time before he was managed by Mourinho. Go back and watch the him in the last World Cup and he was constantly trying to manipulate contact at set pieces.
But you’re an England/Harry Kane fan so I wouldn’t expect you to show much objectivity on the subject. But he was throwing himself to ground every chance he could get at set pieces.I disagree that he was creating fouls out of nothing and I've seen all our matches in full at least twice. Kane didn't need to buy a thing at the world cup: he was being thrown around like a ragdoll.
I'm sure he didn't put up much resistance but he shouldn't have to. Each of his penalties had enough contact behind them to have warranted the foul awards whether he hit the floor or not. There were so many fouls on him that were absolutely sufficient to impede him.
Just because Salah is a diving cheat does not absolve others. But tbf most modern players throw themselves to the ground at the first opportunity in the opposition box, Kane is no different.Yeah, it was weird. I've never seen Salah called to account for some of his truly egregious diving.
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Its not just that. Its the start of his first and second season with us all over again. In the first we played great, attacking football but couldn't score. Literally dominated games but missed chance after chance. We actually took them chances in his second season but as the games drew in he started holding back more and more. He relied on the same attackers to carry the entire atrack as the players behind them sat a little bit further back, the FBs overlaps became less and less. All of a sudden we werent creating as many chances and set up to stop sides and nick a goal to get us through. All of a sudden we were being lauded (and criticised) for winning bland, difficult games that turned into battles to win.It's all fun and games whilst Spurs are on a good run of form and winning. Wait until they hit a blip and then it'll just be a shit-flinging fest.
Yeah, I remember we started similarly with several 4-0s at the beginning of the 17/18 season then we lost to City and the Jose meltdown started. We become incredibly negative and the whole place got more and more toxic. Then the Sevilla game came and it got worse and worse from there.It's all fun and games whilst Spurs are on a good run of form and winning. Wait until they hit a blip and then it'll just be a shit-flinging fest.
What I found amazing about this analysis was where he talks about Pogba coming on and playing diagonal balls to Rashford making runs.
Just saw this, basically everything is spot-on. In a way, he values and know full well Pogba's abilities.
"Don't attract pressure. There will be lots of spaces to kill them." Damn!
Its not just that. Its the start of his first and second season with us all over again. In the first we played great, attacking football but couldn't score. Literally dominated games but missed chance after chance. We actually took them chances in his second season but as the games drew in he started holding back more and more. He relied on the same attackers to carry the entire atrack as the players behind them sat a little bit further back, the FBs overlaps became less and less. All of a sudden we werent creating as many chances and set up to stop sides and nick a goal to get us through. All of a sudden we were being lauded (and criticised) for winning bland, difficult games that turned into battles to win.
Its exactly how Spurs season is panning out.
You guys keep saying "he will be negative , he will turn toxic" without realizing what makes him toxic in first place and why he became toxic in the end with United. It's because the board / Woodward back the players ( such as Pogba, Martial and Rashford ) over him. At United he had players who threw tantrum just because of shirt number, at United he had players who scream "attack, attack , attack , united way" on the media which literally undermine his position as manager , so many players cried when he publicly criticized them instead of trying to prove him wrong on the pitch, he also has the board who thought they know about football better than him, i am pretty sure he didn't want to start Pogba at all in his last season let alone giving him captaincy but Ed Woodward force him to . All those thing doesn't exist at Spurs ,did you watch the spurs documentary and see how Levy literally adored him ? At Spurs he is their most important person, he has mature and professional players who only focused at football , players who trust and bought into his ideas , he made Kane and Son tracking back and playing like CB/Fullback but none of them cried to the media because of it. These players has been trophyless for so long so they won't have inflated ego to class with him and if he had a beef with players he can simply get rid of them no problem without anyone questioning ( example, Dele Alli and Danny Rose ) which is why i am very sure he won't turn toxic there.Yeah, I remember we started similarly with several 4-0s at the beginning of the 17/18 season then we lost to City and the Jose meltdown started. We become incredibly negative and the whole place got more and more toxic. Then the Sevilla game came and it got worse and worse from there.
I prefer to have this kind of manager than the one who grinning from ear to ear when losing.It's all fun and games whilst Spurs are on a good run of form and winning. Wait until they hit a blip and then it'll just be a shit-flinging fest.
I was wondering if I had been watching a different Harry Kane after reading some of the posts in here. At no point has Kane been any more 'honest' than any other forward in modern football. He dives just as much as the rest of them, and to be honest, it's necessary with the abysmal standard of refereeing where things don't get called unless the player ends up on the floor.Kane’s been throwing himself around along time before he was managed by Mourinho. Go back and watch the him in the last World Cup and he was constantly trying to manipulate contact at set pieces.
Yeah, the Sterling one in the build up to Liverpool’s goal today was a perfect example of that. It was a blatant foul but because he tried to stay up he doesn’t get it.I was wondering if I had been watching a different Harry Kane after reading some of the posts in here. At no point has Kane been any more 'honest' than any other forward in modern football. He dives just as much as the rest of them, and to be honest, it's necessary with the abysmal standard of refereeing where things don't get called unless the player ends up on the floor.
Someone should construct a Venn diagram to see if there's any overlap between the people who want to get rid of Ole and the people who can't stand how much Mourinho hates to lose.It's all fun and games whilst Spurs are on a good run of form and winning. Wait until they hit a blip and then it'll just be a shit-flinging fest.
Clearly rewriting history. Refs don't give anything until player rolls on the ground. Which is why most players need to make a meal of things.I was wondering if I had been watching a different Harry Kane after reading some of the posts in here. At no point has Kane been any more 'honest' than any other forward in modern football. He dives just as much as the rest of them, and to be honest, it's necessary with the abysmal standard of refereeing where things don't get called unless the player ends up on the floor.
Great post.@windco
So you are saying Mourinho had absolutely no interest or influence in - Bailly, Lukaku, Lindelof, Pogba, crying about craving Maguire before the next manager wanted him, wanting perisic & Willian, buying Nemanja Matic as our CDM starter , buying Fred - a player that some are half half about, replacing Rashford and Martial's position directly with Alexis Sanchez instead of playing him at RW and on an absolute crazy contract, effing Lee Grant on contract for absolutely nothing, Mkhitaryan who was a decent player who he exchanged for Sanchez as another LW, using Fellaini as one of his main tactical players.
Like let me guess Jose Mourinho had nothing to do with this and was the guy who really understands Manchester United? I thought our first season with him was much better with winning the Europa league and league cup rather than his second season when he had much more of an imprint at the club - watching Zlatan play with Mkhitaryan, Pogba and a mix of LVG's tenure players he had to utelise like Martial, Blind, Herrera, Rashford was better than watching Lukaku, Matic, Lindelof, Bailly, Faulty Fred, Sanchez all the next season with alot of the previous season players being shunned out or sold.
It's not that success is not important to me but I dont see why with our history we should be the Real Madrid of England more than the Barcelona. Why should we value instant short term success that is quick to die as it was to build, rather than a type of quality based style of football for the youngest of players that we ingrain in our football like a philosophy to make us more successful? That's why people still mention Jose's appointment as a very questionable decision after Van Gaal by Woodward and even the fans who were dribbling out for Jose - both might have been shit or decent to some fans but one was a clear Barcelona type manager and one was Real Madrid's type that we hired one after another.
Then you look at Ole - I'm not the biggest fan of his football but I enjoy it more than Mourinho's simply due to the type of player he uses because he deems it suited to Manchester Uniteds historic style - Bruno, a forward line of 4 strikers for the first time that included Rashford Martial Greenwood & Cavani (rather than sticking to just Lukaku and chucking everyone out just on the sides of the first team), Van de Beek, improving players like Fred, Mctomminay, Shaw and Lindelof compared to his previous manager rather than just chucking them under a bus, going away from the fellaini & Lukaku football, signing players like Telles who are attacking fullbacks whilst we already have defensive fullbacks already in the squad.
Fair enough you think jose would have done better in his third season but he had turned his head directly against United as a club by looking at himself as the different guy and the better guy than the club as a whole - something none of our managers ever did. If you regard that as love for United as you said then so be it.
Of course the board backed Martial, Raahford and Pogba over him! If it wasnt for Jose they wouldnt have to do it in the first place.You guys keep saying "he will be negative , he will turn toxic" without realizing what makes him toxic in first place and why he became toxic in the end with United. It's because the board / Woodward back the players ( such as Pogba, Martial and Rashford ) over him. At United he had players who threw tantrum just because of shirt number, at United he had players who scream "attack, attack , attack , united way" on the media which literally undermine his position as manager , so many players cried when he publicly criticized them instead of trying to prove him wrong on the pitch, he also has the board who thought they know about football better than him, i am pretty sure he didn't want to start Pogba at all in his last season let alone giving him captaincy but Ed Woodward force him to . All those thing doesn't exist at Spurs ,did you watch the spurs documentary and see how Levy literally adored him ? At Spurs he is their most important person, he has mature and professional players who only focused at football , players who trust and bought into his ideas , he made Kane and Son tracking back and playing like CB/Fullback but none of them cried to the media because of it. These players has been trophyless for so long so they won't have inflated ego to class with him and if he had a beef with players he can simply get rid of them no problem without anyone questioning ( example, Dele Alli and Danny Rose ) which is why i am very sure he won't turn toxic there.
I prefer to have this kind of manager than the one who grinning from ear to ear when losing.
What are you on about? Ed Woodward forcing Pogba captaincy on Mourinho? He captained two games for us his entire time here, once against some random team in the EFL in the 17/18 season and another against Young Boys in the CL. Saying we should attack is not undermining him either when the entire crowd at times was screaming the same thing. On the Spurs stuff, did you see anything that put anyone at Spurs in a negative light? Of course not, why would they show anything confrontational or negative? It's made to improve the PR around the club (which it did). Kane and Son were also already some of the hardest working forwards in the league before he came. Woodward was also completely right to not allow Mourinho to get rid of Martial and Rashford and arguably Pogba too. If you ask Levy if he'd also sell 3 of their best players for players like Willian and Perisic he would also refuse. Mourinho was also allowed to get rid of many players like Blind, Rooney, Depay, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin off the top of my head, and rightfully so. Why did you choose to cherry pick your examples and make up crap like Woodward forcing him to captain Pogba?You guys keep saying "he will be negative , he will turn toxic" without realizing what makes him toxic in first place and why he became toxic in the end with United. It's because the board / Woodward back the players ( such as Pogba, Martial and Rashford ) over him. At United he had players who threw tantrum just because of shirt number, at United he had players who scream "attack, attack , attack , united way" on the media which literally undermine his position as manager , so many players cried when he publicly criticized them instead of trying to prove him wrong on the pitch, he also has the board who thought they know about football better than him, i am pretty sure he didn't want to start Pogba at all in his last season let alone giving him captaincy but Ed Woodward force him to . All those thing doesn't exist at Spurs ,did you watch the spurs documentary and see how Levy literally adored him ? At Spurs he is their most important person, he has mature and professional players who only focused at football , players who trust and bought into his ideas , he made Kane and Son tracking back and playing like CB/Fullback but none of them cried to the media because of it. These players has been trophyless for so long so they won't have inflated ego to class with him and if he had a beef with players he can simply get rid of them no problem without anyone questioning ( example, Dele Alli and Danny Rose ) which is why i am very sure he won't turn toxic there.
I prefer to have this kind of manager than the one who grinning from ear to ear when losing.
We are the league's 2nd high scorers, I don't see this "negative football" at all, Poch was more sideways and negative at times.Of course the board backed Martial, Raahford and Pogba over him! If it wasnt for Jose they wouldnt have to do it in the first place.
Spurs arent special. You still have this we are on to something new mentality but the players behind Son and Kane will only sacrifice their attacking instincts for so long before mental fatigue kicks in and Jose starts to buck from it.
But thats how it starts. Since the 3-3 you have won 3 league games on the bounce by 1 goal and have been underwhelming in all 3. You have definitely sacrificed attacking intent since that game.We are the league's 2nd high scorers, I don't see this "negative football" at all, Poch was more sideways and negative at times.
We are winning right now, winning games we would have previously drawn or lost. There aren't many teams that go through a whole season playing scintillating football. I doubt Son or Kane will worry much as long as we keep getting results. You cant expect Spurs fans to simply say "well hes going to fail at some point", if you get Poch we could simply say "just wait till the players get tired of the training and down tools on him".Bu
But thats how it starts. Since the 3-3 you have won 3 league games on the bounce by 1 goal and have been underwhelming in all 3. You have definitely sacrificed attacking intent since that game.
Again, in his second season here we were scoring 4 goals a game for like 6 weeks straight then Jose started criticising Martial for his defensive capabilities then we started sitting back after getting a goal. It was a constant criticism of him, we would play well until we scored then surrender the flow of the game.
You can check my posts on here, I constantly gave Jose the benfit of the doubt and I was saying he could do very well with you lot when he got the job but I just see these signs under some flashing, bright neon lights.
If José finds peak José again, they'll win the league, I think.Bu
But thats how it starts. Since the 3-3 you have won 3 league games on the bounce by 1 goal and have been underwhelming in all 3. You have definitely sacrificed attacking intent since that game.
Again, in his second season here we were scoring 4 goals a game for like 6 weeks straight then Jose started criticising Martial for his defensive capabilities then we started sitting back after getting a goal. It was a constant criticism of him, we would play well until we scored then surrender the flow of the game.
You can check my posts on here, I constantly gave Jose the benfit of the doubt and I was saying he could do very well with you lot when he got the job but I just see these signs under some flashing, bright neon lights.
Fairly certain you won numerous games you should have lost under Pochettino in the calendar year 2018 and you were also excellent at grinding out results in the year who clung onto our coat-tails in Conte's title season so not sure why it's being made out to be some new thing at Spurs.We are winning right now, winning games we would have previously drawn or lost. There aren't many teams that go through a whole season playing scintillating football. I doubt Son or Kane will worry much as long as we keep getting results. You cant expect Spurs fans to simply say "well hes going to fail at some point", if you get Poch we could simply say "just wait till the players get tired of the training and down tools on him".
In my opinion, José is a significantly better manager and coach than Ole is.I think Zlatan and Matic was the only first choice target he got , the rest wasn't.
Real Madrid is more successful than Barcelona for the last decade so yeah you can't say that their way of running the club didn't bring success.
Did you really think Ole has improved our players ? Let's say he really is , then why our results getting worse instead ? We are trophyless since Jose left and finished 2x with only 66 points , the only answer for that question is because Jose is better manager cause even with improved players and improved style according to you , Ole still can't outdo him , let's not forget the same man just pumped us 6-1 with his tactic & style. Infact , remember our winning run under Ole when he first made interim ? That was Jose's tactic, style and coaching but without players downtooled him, it's impossible for ole to implement his style ( what's his style anyway ) as fast as that.
Like i said before his ambition is bigger than the rest in the club, bigger than players cause he demands more from the players and they failed to match his expectation, bigger than the board because an ambitious board is never going to hire Ole in first place, guy is definitely going back to Norway herding sheep if we sack him now , no club in top 5 league going to hire him.
This could be said for any manager though, the cycles nearly always comes to an end? The 2018 season are form in the last 5 games was shocking, from what I remember we were out preforming you up till the last third of the season, then the wheels came off.Fairly certain you won numerous games you should have lost under Pochettino in the calendar year 2018 and you were also excellent at grinding out results in the year who clung onto our coat-tails in Conte's title season so not sure why it's being made out to be some new thing at Spurs.
The thing with Mou is he will go all out for results now which mean you actually have to get the results now to fully justify his appointment. The shit you'll be put through once his cycle bottoms out (which it will, even his first Chelsea team hit a pretty grim bottom level) you have to win one of the big one's.
Yeah but the whole sell with Jose is that he wins, he doesn't think about bigger pictures etc so you can't really say "he lost but...." like you can with a Pochettino or a 2015-2018 Klopp or even Lampard (even if he flops in terms of getting us back challenging he will leave an excellent squad and structure for someone that can). I think if you're still close to the top after your upcoming run there's going to be a lot more pressure on Jose and the team to deliver the title than you think, because he will literally put all his eggs in that basket no matter what the trade off is (for us in his second spell it was we lost Salah, KDB and the team ended up so mentally exhausted we battled relegation the following season).This could be said for any manager though, the cycles nearly always comes to an end? The 2018 season are form in the last 5 games was shocking, from what I remember we were out preforming you up till the last third of the season, then the wheels came off.
All we can do is wait and see, again I wasn't a big fan of him but now he is here he will have my full support. He will be under absolutely no pressure with us to win the title even if here up and around there come Christmas, that's not what he was brought here for.Yeah but the whole sell with Jose is that he wins, he doesn't think about bigger pictures etc so you can't really say "he lost but...." like you can with a Pochettino or a 2015-2018 Klopp or even Lampard (even if he flops in terms of getting us back challenging he will leave an excellent squad and structure for someone that can). I think if you're still close to the top after your upcoming run there's going to be a lot more pressure on Jose and the team to deliver the title than you think, because he will literally put all his eggs in that basket no matter what the trade off is (for us in his second spell it was we lost Salah, KDB and the team ended up so mentally exhausted we battled relegation the following season).
Re 2018, as far as i can recall (from a combination of what i saw and what Spurs fans told me) outside of two excellent games against us at Wembley and Everton at Goodison you were largely grinding out wins and outperforming your metrics for the entire year.
Then why did you appoint him? He's a manager who unapologetically focuses on immediate success at any cost, appointing him for a rebuild or a long term project is a waste, anyone who appoints Mou should take the Inter approach, accept his MO and throw everything you can into getting that quick success.All we can do is wait and see, again I wasn't a big fan of him but now he is here he will have my full support. He will be under absolutely no pressure with us to win the title even if here up and around there come Christmas, that's not what he was brought here for.
The 2018 we done well for 2 thirds of that season, then fell apart in the last third with 3 wins in 12 games, the players looked exhausted and completely uninterested. Rumours of falling outs within the team and a lot of disharmony.