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Saying that your squad has a mentality problem as a coach, is a lose to the coach. I mean its a problem on the pitch, only one person responsible for that.
Isn't this a clear sign of unreasonable bias on your part? You don't care about anything and just wanted someone out, disregarding all the good that he has done and not caring if we have suffered from it. It's like you'd like to have your way and lose rather than choose what is best for your team.I'm glad he's gone. Never wanted him here in the first place, just glad he's out and couldn't care less about the rest
Sure. Ranieri's at fault, Sarri is at fault, LVG is at fault. The manager is responsible for everything.Saying that your squad has a mentality problem as a coach, is a lose to the coach. I mean its a problem on the pitch, only one person responsible for that.
Ole has done brilliantly with a group of disenchanted, uninterested players sick of Mourinhos dire football, Ole made them smile and let them play, but far too many of our squad are simply not good enough and the smiles cant cover over the cracks. We need a massive overhaul, Young, Jones, Smalling, Valencia, DeGea were all playing 8 years ago. Smalling and Jones were considered to have great potential but neither have really fulfilled it except on very rare occasions. Young and Valencia are well past their sell by date and even DeGea is showing worrying signs his phenomenal standard has fallen. Matic is shot, Fred might yet come good but Pogba lacks consistency and too often plays to the gallery at the cost of losing the ball, hes self indulgent and a luxury we cant afford. Lingard and Lukaku are not good enough and Martial, like Pogba, too inconsistent. Jones, Smalling, Young, Valencia, Matic, Pogba & Lukaku should all go in the summer, the rest given one more season to show they have what it takes to play for Manchester United. We need to bring in young players, not players who might come good in 4/5 years time, but young players who are already fulfilling their potentials elsewhere. Manchester United cannot afford to fall further behind City and Liverpool, top 4 finishes are the very least we should aspire to. I cant afford to wait another 26 years before we're League Champions again as was the case after winning the old First Division in 1967, lol!I've been nearly 20 years on the Caf. During that time I've been depressed about United's performances, but never been depressed by the Caf until now.
Thanks to Ole, we had the best few weeks since Fergie retired. Right now that euphoria has worn off but isn't that understandable - at the end of the day, it's still Mourinho's team, not Ole's. I'll reserve judgement until I see what changes he makes in the summer, and how well his buys do. We've been awful for years - not Ole's fault, so why are we expecting the same players to somehow be brilliant? They're not - a lot of them are over-hyped as well as overpaid. There's no guarantee that a different selection last night would have produced a different result - maybe Ole did make mistakes, but we'll never know. Even Fergie made mistakes though. That isn't to say I wasn't nervous the very second I saw Phil Jones name on the list, especially at RB - even though he has had some good games recently, I'm never confident about him. We haven't had a great defence for a long time - our good defensive record in the main has been down to poor finishing and David De Gea.
I will be very disappointed if we don't buy defenders in the summer, but ffs, wait and see before consigning Ole to the rubbish bin. Some of you turn quicker than a figure skater on speed.
Moyes was woefully out of his depth.When Moyes failed, it was because he wasn't a top level manager
When LvG failed, it was because he was too old to adapt to the PL
When Jose failed, it was because he was past it and didn't understand the 'United way'
I think the only way some will see these players aren't good enough would be if we brought SAF back.When Moyes failed, it was because he wasn't a top level manager
When LvG failed, it was because he was too old to adapt to the PL
When Jose failed, it was because he was past it and didn't understand the 'United way'
When Olè fails, it will be because he is "too inexperienced"
How many more managers have to tell us our players have an attitude problem and the structure is all wrong for some people to wake up?
Yes I do. Don't you see your mistake? You're retrospectively assessing the reign of each of our managers and fitting a narrative to explain poor results.Moyes was woefully out of his depth.
LVG tried to implement an outdated and ineffective system to the PL which resulted in his failure.
Jose had shown signs of cracking at both Real and Chelsea before he arrived at United. We took a punt on him anyway because he was the worlds most successful manager at the time and the club was absolutely desperate for a taste of that success.
Between them, they spent in excess of £750 million of the clubs money between them. They were given every opportunity to succeed but ultimately failed due to their ineptness.
Do you disagree?
Why can't we need a DOF/planning but those managers were still wrong and out of their depths?Yes I do. Don't you see your mistake? You're retrospectively assessing the reign of each of our managers and fitting a narrative to explain poor results.
My point is that you could have substituted Pep, Zidane or Klopp for those managers, they would have ultimately 'failed' and we'd have then had posters retrospectively find reasons they were a flawed appointment in the first place
I will continue to argue until I am blue in the face that our managers job is a poisoned chalice. Limited ambition from the owners, lack of structure, meddling and a dressing room that is far too powerful
Well tbf to LvG and Jose they haven't been losing games either since neither has managed another club!Why can't we need a DOF/planning but those managers were still wrong and out of their depths?
It's laughable to blame their failure on lack of structure solely. They failed because they were the wrong. It's not like Moyes, LVG and Mourinho have been winning since they were sacked is it?
Yes.Moyes was woefully out of his depth.
LVG tried to implement an outdated and ineffective system to the PL which resulted in his failure.
Jose had shown signs of cracking at both Real and Chelsea before he arrived at United. We took a punt on him anyway because he was the worlds most successful manager at the time and the club was absolutely desperate for a taste of that success.
Between them, they spent in excess of £750 million of the clubs money between them. They were given every opportunity to succeed but ultimately failed due to their ineptness.
Do you disagree?
If you hired 4 managers out of their depth, maybe it's you who is out of your depth?Why can't we need a DOF/planning but those managers were still wrong and out of their depths?
It's laughable to blame their failure on lack of structure solely. They failed because they were the wrong. It's not like Moyes, LVG and Mourinho have been winning since they were sacked is it?
I couldn't agree more.Yes I do. Don't you see your mistake? You're retrospectively assessing the reign of each of our managers and fitting a narrative to explain poor results.
My point is that you could have substituted Pep, Zidane or Klopp for those managers, they would have ultimately 'failed' and we'd have then had posters retrospectively find reasons they were a flawed appointment in the first place
I will continue to argue until I am blue in the face that our managers job is a poisoned chalice. Limited ambition from the owners, lack of structure, meddling and a dressing room that is far too powerful
Excellent point.If you hired 4 managers out of their depth, maybe it's you who is out of your depth?
Ole hasn't been winning recently either has he.Why can't we need a DOF/planning but those managers were still wrong and out of their depths?
It's laughable to blame their failure on lack of structure solely. They failed because they were the wrong. It's not like Moyes, LVG and Mourinho have been winning since they were sacked is it?
A1.If you hired 4 managers out of their depth, maybe it's you who is out of your depth?
Jose lost his job the minute it seemed like we would lose Martial and Pogba because of it. Woodward’s motivation is the bottom line and nothing else. No way will Woodward want to back Ole in getting rid of his marketing wet dreams.I've said previously, at some point in time, we're gonna need the board to back the manager agains't the players. If Jose was understandably too unpalatable to back, i hope Ole is positive enough for the board to back him against the players and ship out those who simply aren't interested or good enough.
I couldn't agree more.
Excellent point.
Of course he was. You only hire Mourinho if you intend to win the biggest trophies. Woodward and his superiors are not interested in anything else than profit.Jose was right about everything. I wanted him out after the Sevilla game but he was right about the club, the players. This club is doomed as the biggest problem the structure hasn't changed and we likely have gotten an even less able manager. I can safely say we are not challenging for title in the next 5 seasons and will not get top 4 in half of those seasons.
The players had their fun and made Mourinho look like a cnut in the first few games.
Now they’re true colours are showing again.
A few weeks back you were praising the squad.Course he wasn’t.
He saw the issues in our team. His response to those issues were... Matic, Dalot, Fred, Lukaku, Lindelof etc etc.
The more players we play who signed for Mourinho the worst we look.
We need to get rid of the cancers within. I hope Ole identifies them and clears them out.The players had their fun and made Mourinho look like a cnut in the first few games.
Now their true colours are showing again.
The moment they chose politics over football, well, I guess the rest is history.Jose lost his job the minute it seemed like we would lose Martial and Pogba because of it. Woodward’s motivation is the bottom line and nothing else. No way will Woodward want to back Ole in getting rid of his marketing wet dreams.
If you listened to some of these people here, you would've thought Jose was an FM graduate, not a multiple league winning manager. People forget he won the league just 2 seasons prior.Of course he was right
Its almost as if the only manager to ever win La Liga, Serie A and the Premier League actually knows something about elite footballers.....
Couldn’t have said it better.Absolute and utter garbage, hang your head in shame posting such laughable, sensationalist drivel.
A 'terrible manager' who won a European final, a League Cup, F.A Cup runner up and finished 2nd just last season, above Liverpool and Tottenham...
If OGS achieved even half of that you'd be heralding him as a success.
And then using Mourinho to excuse the current manager from any present / future failings. Pathetic stuff.
Mourinho needed to go - he made it so that he had to after he was hung out to dry by Woodward and he lost the dressing room.
But he won trophies here, and he kept us above Liverpool - he is our most successful manager post SAF.
And if Mourinho had received VVD rather than Klopp, we'd be above Liverpool still - albeit playing rubbish football.
Yep. Mourinho saw what this club was all about with Ed at the helm and he acted the way he did to get the sack with a good compensation.Mourinho was right to do everything he could to get away from this club ASAP with a tidy pay off.
Before his sacking it was generally agreed that Woodward and others needed to go with him. That has not changed.
thisHe was right but Completely gave up when he didn't get more money, So for me he's on the same level of coward as these players. He gave up when things went against him and these players give up when things go against them.
Some fans want to see Poch and of Zidane added to that list of failures.When Moyes failed, it was because he wasn't a top level manager
When LvG failed, it was because he was too old to adapt to the PL
When Jose failed, it was because he was past it and didn't understand the 'United way'
When Olè fails, it will be because he is "too inexperienced"
How many more managers have to tell us our players have an attitude problem and the structure is all wrong for some people to wake up?
Forget Moaninho for a bit. LVG said that he pinned Ed Woodward as a clown very early (I believe his wife told him a few words on Woodward and he agreed). A money obsessed, football illiterate man.Yep. Mourinho saw what this club was all about with Ed at the helm and he acted the way he did to get the sack with a good compensation.
Most fans are truly missing it. Jose has always been a good manager if he had the proper support and backing from above. Otherwise, you get the Jose that we got. He will work and work for the club to win if he is backed.
Fans complain that he was a d*ck about everything and that his ego is bigger than the club. I would argue that this club needs exactly that in this trying time. It takes too long to rebuild with 2-3 transfer windows. Club and fans will never have patience for that. Look at the fans calling for OGS’s Head now. Ed will not overhaul the whole team. It will be a couple of players in the summer.
Jose wants to win now, Ed didn’t let him, fans didn’t want him to sign ready made players because they are “old”....that is exactly what we need to build up this fast downward sliding club of ours one season at a time.