Jose | Water(bottle)gate and refs in zoos

[Reyoji-Utd]

I just don't understand why those who in charge of a big organization like FA and FIFA can't be consistent and have some common sense to save their lives.

We know it's a farce to send him off, referees haven't been fond to Jose for a while on top of that, seems like they finally be able to make UTD suffer after all those years with SAF.

Guess it's time to see what the squad are made of but with this squad it's hard to know what we'll get after all three years of craps. It's really annoying sometimes when we see no reaction from most players when something happens on the fields. Most of our players try way too hard to be nice guys or they just dont care at all?

 

[FreakyJim]

He actually looked for a puppy first but then settled for that water bottle.

That's why he's been charged. That's different from Wenger's case.

Wenger was frustrated that we have spare water lying around whilst people in Africa are dying of thirst.

 

[sunama]

This is what Mourinho brings in his wake: a trail of agenda, blame games, bitterness and hatred. He's been here six months and half the fans already share his delusions of persecution.

He kicked a water bottle and got sent to the stands. How is this delusion?
BTW. Is there a precedent for this ever happening or is this a first?

Atleast we were talking about football the last three years. That would be a start for now.

You sound proud of the football which has been served up for the last 3 years.
Did you watch any of our games during this time? Do you remember when Moyes was "aspiring to play like MCFC"?
Or how about the football last year, which became so boring, the fans were jeering when we (rarely) had a shot at goal.

 

[SteveJ]

As predictable a leak as Manchester rain...

Mourinho conduct ‘upsetting’ United players:
http://www.football365.com/news/mourinho-conduct-upsetting-united-players-report

 

[B20]

As predictable a leak as Manchester rain...

Mourinho conduct ‘upsetting’ United players:
http://www.football365.com/news/mourinho-conduct-upsetting-united-players-report

ffs

 

[MightyRedz]

The real concern here is that Mourinho has become the story - not the club or team. Every top club with a high profile manager gets a bit of that - but not to anything like this extent, and the reason is that he relentlessly plays up to it.

This will not strengthen United, because now he has a lot of people waiting and hoping for an incident - any incident, so that they can plaster it all over the papers.

At Chelsea (1st time) Jose was on a charm-offensive with the press and he got away with murder, but it all started going off the rails at Madrid and has gone steadily downhill ever since.

United is a great club (I speak as a LFC fan) and someone at the very top needs to nip this in the bud right now and get him to toe the line or .....

 

[SteveJ]

I'm guessing that United are keeping an eye on Ancelotti's situation.

 

[Adebesi]

I'm guessing that United are keeping an eye on Ancelotti's situation.

Because Mourinho got in trouble with the FA for criticising refs and kicking water bottles? Or because we arent in the top 4 in November?

Ridiculous, Mourinho is our manager, we shouldnt be looking at anyone else now.

 

[SteveJ]

Because Mourinho got in trouble with the FA for criticising refs and kicking water bottles? Or because we arent in the top 4 in November?

Ridiculous, Mourinho is our manager, we shouldnt be looking at anyone else now.

I just suspect that, should our middling form get worse, United will eventually opt for the 'ambassadorial' Carlo.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Di Maria grabs Michael Oliver's back - Red Card
Joe Hart headbutts Michael Oliver - Oliver does nothing

Jose kicks a bottle - Charged
Wenger kicks a bottle - Gets apologies

 

[NinjaFletch]

I just suspect that, should our middling form get worse, United will eventually opt for the 'ambassadorial' Carlo.

I mean, you're probably right but why would anyone opt for someone who has won, what, 3 league titles in 20 years to arrest our poor league performances?

 

[SteveJ]

I mean, you're probably right but why would anyone opt for someone who has won, what, 3 league titles in 20 years to arrest our poor league performances?

Judging by newspaper reports, I wonder if SAF and others have wanted Carlo for ages.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I mean, you're probably right but why would anyone opt for someone who has won, what, 3 league titles in 20 years to arrest our poor league performances?

Why would they give the previous incumbent two whole years of similar results then start considering replacements for Mourinho less than half way through his first season?

Answer. They won't. If we don't improve by the end of this season then the pressure is on. Meanwhile everyone needs to calm the feck down.

 

[SteveJ]

I'm not hinting that I want José fired; in fact, I worry that appointing Carlo (a nice guy, admittedly) would lead to a continuation of the complacency thats set in at United.

 

[Adebesi]

I'm not hinting that I want José fired; in fact, I worry that appointing Carlo (a nice guy, admittedly) would lead to a continuation of the complacency thats set in at United.

Youre saying the club is run by fckwits. I dont know where you get the nerve to make such accusations.

 

[SteveJ]

Blimey. Calm down, Ade.
*throws bucket of cold water over Ade*

 

[Adebesi]

Blimey. Calm down, Ade.
*throws bucket of cold water over Ade*

That hasnt calmed me down. Youve escalated this situation.

 

[SteveJ]

How about warm water then?

 

[NinjaFletch]

Why would they give the previous incumbent two whole years of similar results then start considering replacements for Mourinho less than half way through his first season?

Answer. They won't. If we don't improve by the end of this season then the pressure is on. Meanwhile everyone needs to calm the feck down.

They'll always be keeping tabs on everyone and I'd be amazed if they weren't contingency planning.

I'm not suggesting he'll get sacked now, but I do think he'll be held to the same standard as everyone else. Namely that if he fails to qualify for the Champions League he will go. Whether that's the right decision or not is a matter of opinion but the precedent is firmly set on this one.

 

[Claymore]

BIG WOW, someone call the police, he kicked a water bottle. Does this really deserve full media media attention and therefore nationwide debate from pundits and fans? Doesn't take a lot to keep people's minds busy does it...

 

[SirMattBugsby]

He kicked a water bottle and got sent to the stands. How is this delusion?
BTW. Is there a precedent for this ever happening or is this a first?



You sound proud of the football which has been served up for the last 3 years.
Did you watch any of our games during this time? Do you remember when Moyes was "aspiring to play like MCFC"?
Or how about the football last year, which became so boring, the fans were jeering when we (rarely) had a shot at goal.

As usual, you are taking it the wrong way. My focus was neither on the incident nor on the football of last three years. It was on the discussion fans are having.

I for one have never felt there is an agenda against United. I also feel the football is not much better from last season, although it appears to be so. The only reason we will finish higher is due to better individual quality, if at all.

 

[SirMattBugsby]

The real concern here is that Mourinho has become the story - not the club or team. Every top club with a high profile manager gets a bit of that - but not to anything like this extent, and the reason is that he relentlessly plays up to it.

This will not strengthen United, because now he has a lot of people waiting and hoping for an incident - any incident, so that they can plaster it all over the papers.

At Chelsea (1st time) Jose was on a charm-offensive with the press and he got away with murder, but it all started going off the rails at Madrid and has gone steadily downhill ever since.

United is a great club (I speak as a LFC fan) and someone at the very top needs to nip this in the bud right now and get him to toe the line or .....

Add to it the fact that it was fun then, but downright exhausting now. Can we please talk about football, José?

 

[Adebesi]

They'll always be keeping tabs on everyone and I'd be amazed if they weren't contingency planning.

I'm not suggesting he'll get sacked now, but I do think he'll be held to the same standard as everyone else. Namely that if he fails to qualify for the Champions League he will go. Whether that's the right decision or not is a matter of opinion but the precedent is firmly set on this one.

Im not sure about that. If Mourinho was sacked after coming 5th, the precedent would be firmly set. As it is, im not sure how firm it is, there is correlation but not necessarily causation. As in, you could argue that was the precedent or you could argue it was coincidental, that Van Gaal would have been given a second season if he had failed to qualify (we'll never know) or that Moyes would have been given a second season if there had been something - anything - to give the impression he was taking us in the right direction.

So you could argue circumstances in both previous cases were different and no definite rule about qualifying for the CL has been established. But as I said, if Mourinho was sacked after 1 season for failing to come at least 4th, I think that would then firmly establish that precedent.

 

[SirMattBugsby]

Im not sure about that. If Mourinho was sacked after coming 5th, the precedent would be firmly set. As it is, im not sure how firm it is, there is correlation but not necessarily causation. As in, you could argue that was the precedent or you could argue it was coincidental, that Van Gaal would have been given a second season if he had failed to qualify (we'll never know) or that Moyes would have been given a second season if there had been something - anything - to give the impression he was taking us in the right direction.

So you could argue circumstances in both previous cases were different and no definite rule about qualifying for the CL has been established. But as I said, if Mourinho was sacked after 1 season for failing to come at least 4th, I think that would then firmly establish that precedent.

I'm not sure the precedent would be set even then. Mourinho has always been a 'results' manager. So if he fails to get 4th, there is more cause for him to go than a 'process' manager.

 

[GifLord]

Does anyone here watch ESPN FC?
This is what their footie analysts - Burley and Co had to say about Mourinho

 

[SkeppyRed]

If the players had as much fight as Jose we would be a lot better if that's for sure.

He's fighting for the players and taking stick for it so now they need repay him.

 

[Red_Aaron]

may as well make this thread a sticky

 

[B20]

If the players had as much fight as Jose we would be a lot better if that's for sure.

He's fighting for the players and taking stick for it so now they need repay him.

When he is not hanging them out to dry you mean.

I really wouldnt call kicking a bottle 'fighting for his players'.

 

[Catt]

Are the players "stunned" yet?

 

[Escobar]

It's a small incident which is blown out of proportion and the FA is clearly overreacting. Who cares

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I thought the FA were harsh when they gave Van Gaal a 2 year touchline ban

 

[SkeppyRed]

When he is not hanging them out to dry you mean.

I really wouldnt call kicking a bottle 'fighting for his players'.

He didn't hang them out to dry. He wants more from some of them, rightly so. The fans do too.

He's also taken a lot of the spotlight off the players underachieving. They owe him. Reminds me of fergie.

The players will feel harshly done by poor officiating too and they will see their manager is with them.

I can see this whole episode galvanising us.

 

[devips]

Mourinho is here for at least two years. He can go kick as many water bottles as he wants.

 

[Robbo 7]

2 weeks ago the press was full of "he's lost his passion", "looks like he doesn't want to there" etc, etc, "needs to get back that fire". Now he's got that fire back and showing his emotions they smashing him again.

Personally, I'd rather see him kicking a water bottle and firing up the team than watch LVG write it down on his clipboard.

I heard Dean Saunders on Talksport today and for the first time I heard a pundit stick up for him. He was saying that Mourinho was doing all these kind of antics on his return to Chelsea, but nobody battered an eyelid because he was winning matches. I think that would be the case here. If we were winning, nobody would care.

 

[TheReligion]

When he is not hanging them out to dry you mean.

I really wouldnt call kicking a bottle 'fighting for his players'.

You used to be a decent poster.

 

[Snow]

The Wenger incident happened with 30 seconds to go. The whole reason he went up to the block by the Utd fans rather than in the stands is because by the time he'd have got up there the game would have been over.

Stewards should have tossed him out because he didn't pay for those seats.

 

[TheReligion]

Does anyone here watch ESPN FC?
This is what their footie analysts - Burley and Co had to say about Mourinho

Theres 7 minutes of my life I won't get back.

How are these guys in a job?

 

[B20]

You used to be a decent poster.

Form is temporary, class is permanent, TheReligion.

 

[Snow]

In all seriousness, what's wrong with kicking a water bottle? Is it a specific rule for managers? Players kick the post or bench in frustration all the time. Many players throw fits after being subbed off. What exactly are the rules here? Mata gets a yellow for celebrating a goal with the fans. Conte does the same and nothing. What's the difference here? Is it just sheer incompetence and different interpretation of the rules at any given moment or what?

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Does anyone here watch ESPN FC?
This is what their footie analysts - Burley and Co had to say about Mourinho

Tried giving this a quick watch at work but even on the lowest volume, Craig Burley shouting his head off was making my phone speakers distort.

If he were a cartoon, he would be emitting steam from all orifices.

I didn't watch beyond that.