It was awful to watch and a great reminder that he's not our manager anymore.Can you imagine being a Spurs fan watching that game?
The anxiety of watching your team hoof the ball and just waiting for United to score. So glad he's out of here.
It was awful to watch and a great reminder that he's not our manager anymore.Can you imagine being a Spurs fan watching that game?
The anxiety of watching your team hoof the ball and just waiting for United to score. So glad he's out of here.
We have to take our chances of course but it doesn't help that we always have like 25-30 mins to do so because our starting lineups are always extremely naive against teams that sit deep. James and McTominay should never ever start a game against these kind of teams but they pretty much always do. Then we get better after we make subs but don't have enough time to win. Ole is extremely naive and simply unable to adapt to circumstances which cost us points.That's an interesting stat, but Chelsea are only a few points better and a lot of these issues happened in the first half of the season. It's getting better, but as many people have said, breaking teams down who are properly setup like Spurs were today isn't easy and you have to take your chances. You have to make those half changes count, but United didn't today.
In the 2nd half we were clearly better yes. But they had the 2 best chances of the first half, were 1-0 up and it could easily have been 2. I dont see how that could be considered negative.Their only chances of the match were the goal and the Son header. We had loads of chances, the 2 Rashford ones in the first half, Martial in the 2nd and Greenwood at the end, in addition to the goal.
Even when we play on the counter, like against City at Etihad or against Pool both times this season, we create far more chances.
We were clearly the better team and it was clear that players like McTominay, Rashford and Martial aren't totally sharp yet. With Pogba and Bruno starting together along with players gaining match sharpness, I expect us to be totally fine even against teams that sit back.
By the way I wonder how Spurs fans are feeling seeing their near full strength team play the match against Utd like it was 2008? Sitting deep at home, trying to nick a goal and defend it with their lives. It's not even playing on the counter. And indeed we play on the counter too at times but it's against teams like City and Pool who are clearly superior to us at the moment. Utd aren't that better than Spurs in terms of player quality and here we have Jose having them play like he was playing against Barca. I'm so glad Jose is no longer our manager.
He coached most of our players. Obviously knew how to win against them.
Sometimes I still wish he hadn't been fired as i'm not sure Ole is good enough tactically, but whatever.
They did defend the whole game and got their goal through a DDG error. Other than that they had just one meaningful chance the whole game. For me that is negative. And let's face it it's nothing new from Jose. This is exactly what he had us do everytime we went to Anfield when he was in charge here.In the 2nd half we were clearly better yes. But they had the 2 best chances of the first half, were 1-0 up and it could easily have been 2. I dont see how that could be considered negative.
Negative would have been defending the whole game and trying to steal a goal at the end
They tried to attack on the counter, those were the 2 great chances they had in 45 minutes of football where they were 1-0 up. Were we negative in the first half when we had less chances than they had? They still tried to counter its just they werent successful with it and we coped with it better in the 2nd half.They did defend the whole game and got their goal through a DDG error. Other than that they had just one meaningful chance the whole game. For me that is negative. And let's face it it's nothing new from Jose. This is exactly what he had us do everytime we went to Anfield when he was in charge here.
Great point in your first line! All teams prefer the opposition to come out and leave space!Does any team like to be sat deep on? Teams who park and hoof it are always tough to break down, even with the best players.
Klopp bemoans defensive teams all the time, even when it's teams in the bottom half of the league.
But I agree, Ighalo for holding the ball, and Greenwood over James. The latter should be used for the counter attack, though perhaps we were expecting to need to do more of that. Even with Jose being Jose, I didn't expect them to be scrapping like a team in the relegation zone so much.
Hyperbole.He's one of the worst things to happen to the club in decades, I'm so glad he's no longer here.
There's a fundamental difference between counter attacking and negative football. A clear example is our game against City at Etihad this season. In the first half there, our players were in positions where we were primed to break forward as soon as City lost the ball, making us vulnerable to City countering back. In the second half that game our attacking players were more focused on making sure they were leaving no space behind and hence the counter was slow, because our aim was ensuring we didn't allow City to transition quickly as we were focused on preserving our 2 goal lead.They tried to attack on the counter, those were the 2 great chances they had in 45 minutes of football where they were 1-0 up. Were we negative in the first half when we had less chances than they had? They still tried to counter its just they werent successful with it and we coped with it better in the 2nd half.
I remember all those Arsenal games where they'd have most of the ball and try to work an opening for a chance, and we'd break on them and score and win the match. We werent negative just playing counter attacking football
His time as a top manager has long gone. It was baffling Tottenham went for him having seen the end of his spell here.My patience with Jose has grown quite weary. He wouldn't switch up this game plan even if United just enjoyed his team sitting back. His philosophy of how the game is played now rests on how the opposition views him and by his own perception he is the inferior, the underdog. The cocky underdog. He is the weirdest bloke in football.
Id be much more worried that Kane looks like an ineffectual carthorse playing for them. And bar one break away run with shoddy keeping they didn't create much at all.To be honest if I was a Spurs fan not the sort of post match comments I'd want to hear being 1-0 with ten minutes left in a game they really needed to win. Seems chuffed with himself , as if he's proved a point, just a very strange guy with a weird obsession of being the underdog.
All defensive sides tend to counter though, thats the only avenue of attack they have.They tried to attack on the counter, those were the 2 great chances they had in 45 minutes of football where they were 1-0 up. Were we negative in the first half when we had less chances than they had? They still tried to counter its just they werent successful with it and we coped with it better in the 2nd half.
I remember all those Arsenal games where they'd have most of the ball and try to work an opening for a chance, and we'd break on them and score and win the match. We werent negative just playing counter attacking football
They were negative because they defended the whole game and tried to nick a goal on the break as per with Mourinho.In the 2nd half we were clearly better yes. But they had the 2 best chances of the first half, were 1-0 up and it could easily have been 2. I dont see how that could be considered negative.
Negative would have been defending the whole game and trying to steal a goal at the end
Yeah I think it's one of them we win 7 or 8 out of 10 times.I mean, sure "he got his tactics right", but he could very well have lost this game if our front 3 hadn't looked so laboured and the team as a whole was up to speed. It was much luckier for Spurs than us that this game was played after a 3 month hiatus - as a Utd fan, I'm not overly worried going forward, whereas if I were a Spurs fan, there's nothing last night that would have reassured me.
So yeah, great for him, he got a point.
But this is what he's always like.His comment would ring more true if we hadn’t taken four points off him this season.
Jose is a manager that I really like, but seeing him act bullish about getting a point whilst managing Tottenham? God that’s sad.
First point we've played them twice this season, beat them at home and drew away. How has he shown that he knows how to beat us?He coached most of our players. Obviously knew how to win against them.
Sometimes I still wish he hadn't been fired as i'm not sure Ole is good enough tactically, but whatever.
A dick who understands far more about football than the rest of us.Jose's a dick and always wise after the event but I do think Ole got his tactics/team wrong tonight. Even if he didn't think "it's Jose, he'll sit", once we'd let a goal in, we should have changed earlier, HT definitely.
Wasn't happening for Rashford or Martial tonight, hopefully a one off but Ole shouldn't be scared of dropping anyone if form/opposition needs it.
Agreed. I felt that after Pogba came on there was only one team who could have won if the game went on longer.Jose always plays this way so no surprises there
We're better against team that sit deep than we were 4/5 months ago though, especially when Pogba and Fernandes are on the pitch
Indeed. They’re in for a tough time. I remember it only too well.Can you imagine being a Spurs fan watching that game?
The anxiety of watching your team hoof the ball and just waiting for United to score. So glad he's out of here.
It’s a real shame for them.Can you imagine being a Spurs fan watching that game?
The anxiety of watching your team hoof the ball and just waiting for United to score. So glad he's out of here.
I thought that Rashford's chance that Lloris saved with his feet was a better chance than either of Spurs chances.In the 2nd half we were clearly better yes. But they had the 2 best chances of the first half, were 1-0 up and it could easily have been 2. I dont see how that could be considered negative.
Negative would have been defending the whole game and trying to steal a goal at the end
Watching the match, I was wondering if this is how we looked when defending a lead under Jose. Very depressing. Imagine having players like Kane and Son, and deciding to sit back for the full 90 mins.How the feck can anybody watch the shit he served up here and the shit he has served up at Spurs and wish he’d never been fired?
At this time in their careers OGS is a far better manager and it’s not even fecking close.
You literally have rocks in your head
Hmm. I was pleasantly surprised by how fit we looked, given the exceptional situation we've been in the last three months. We sure looked a lot fitter than Tottenham.This is also despite half our players looking unacceptably unfit