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So late manc 70's depression or cocaine synth 80's, which is better ?
Joy Division
New Order
Joy Division
New Order
Agreed. There isn’t a Joy Division song I dislike. There are a few New Order ones I do. The best Joy Division songs > best New Order songs too.Joy Division because basically all their stuff is amazing, whereas despite much of it also being really great, a lot of New Order stuff isn't. So maths, init. But really, both.
The spurt of creativity went well into the 90s - the Electronic and Revenge albums were great and really showed Barney's overall influence on the JD/NO sound without Hooky and vice versa. Republic, which came out in 92 iirc was also one of their best works. The Other Two and Hooky's Monaco project weren't bad either.New Order have been going 40 years, on and off. Joy Division went for 3 years. So New Order have plenty of stuff you can skip in their catalog whereas Joy Division’s output is all pretty essential.
I see them as two completely separate bands so rarely find myself comparing the two directly. They are my two favorite bands.
It is my belief that the spurt of creativity Sumner/Curtis/Hook/Morris/Gilbert went on, from say 1979 to 1989, is almost unparalleled in terms of developing their own sound(s) and constantly putting out amazing music. I can think of the Beatles but otherwise I can’t think of another group of people that is comparable. Think about how different but brilliant Unknown Pleasures and Technique are; ten years separates them but they are 3/4 of the same people. That still blows my mind.
I listen to Joy Division when I’m not depressed. Their fast paced songs are great for working out too.New order as you need to chronically depressed with rverything to listed to Joy Diviosion.
Electronic were better than both and so was his other group Bad Lieutenant
Electronic’s first album is brilliant. Monaco’s first has some decent tracks. The rest I can take or, more often, leave. Don’t agree that Republic is one of New Order’s best either, apart from Regret which is a great song.The spurt of creativity went well into the 90s - the Electronic and Revenge albums were great and really showed Barney's overall influence on the JD/NO sound without Hooky and vice versa. Republic, which came out in 92 iirc was also one of their best works. The Other Two and Hooky's Monaco project weren't bad either.
I thought Monaco was a bit of a letdown. Well, I only know Music For Pleasure. The first track is amazing (What Do You Want From Me) and could've been a strong New Order track. Most of the rest sounds like cheap dance to me - and then there's that Oasis track.Electronic’s first album is brilliant. Monaco’s first has some decent tracks. The rest I can take or, more often, leave. Don’t agree that Republic is one of New Order’s best either, apart from Regret which is a great song.
100%.Joy Division because basically all their stuff is amazing, whereas despite much of it also being really great, a lot of New Order stuff isn't. So maths, init. But really, both.
Nah although I might give that podcast a listen now.Is this inspired by the Transmissions podcast? I've two episodes left and I've enjoyed it, although I find the tone/framing of the presenter a bit annoying at times.
That's a terrible list to be fair. Any list that includes a random track like Tutti Fruiti but not Touched by the Hand of God simply can't be taken serious. Also, several of New Order's later very good tracks like 60 miles and hour, Krafty, and Singularity aren't even on the list.Nah although I might give that podcast a listen now.
Made the thread due to an article in the guardian about the best New Order songs(https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/07/new-order-30-greatest-tracks-ranked).
Both shite